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Tactician Required
Topic Started: Sep 10 2005, 04:36 PM (634 Views)
Bluediver
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Alex Govan
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Whether Bruce should stay or go is debatable. What is beyond debate now is that we need someone in charge of first team tactics. A spirited second half performance this afternoon doesn't excuse the tripe that we endured in the first half.

I have said for at least 18-months that Bruce is tactically inept. I have waited to be proved wrong. Performances keep proving me correct.

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derryphilip
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oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D
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Bluebird
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I also have been on about the lack of tactics, strategy and game plan for too long now....
However, strangely I don't think that today's performance was as bad as Tom's Phone-In implies....
Okay we didn't score....
But our style was definitely changed for today....
With the exception of Maik Taylor refusing to play the ball out and choosing to kick instead (100% possession to 50/50 possession)....
We actually kept the ball on the ground and passed it to each other instead of hoofing it in hope....
It's been a long time since I've seen DJ play as well as that....
Jarosik played well and seems to be forging a partnership with Butt who also played well....
Our problem has always been the midfield which I think we've got right now....
The defence is where we have to sort it out....
And I would like to see some strategy....
Not sure what Eric Black is supposed to be doing but if he isn't doing what SB wants then SB has to make a decision....
Right now we are so predictable that even I could prepare a Team to play us!
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derryphilip
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I was on the phone in and like i said is that Yes we was poor in front of the goal and i am concerned if heskey has the start and stop in his injuries. we played far betterin the second half.the second was better when mario was takern off and gray was put on. We should look on the postive of the game not the negative.
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The main problem was that there quickest player - Rohmedahl seemed to have the whole of our left side to himself as "DJ was asked to push into the center" (Upsons comments to Tom Ross ) leaving Clapham open . Bringing Gray on was the right move ! They soon took Romedahl off when gray was on , but it seems to me ... The decisions are always to late.

OK you can give it your .. but the fans wernt singing !!!

2nd half we pushed on created the chances the crowd was there.

Why carnt we start a game like the 2nd half today??
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DANY
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Our defence is a joke at the moment, it has been since the start of the season yet we did nothing about it.
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derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:50 PM
oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D

So let me ask you this. Do you think that Steve Bruce is a good tactician?
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derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:50 PM
oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D

unbelievable, enjoy going to Crewe, Grimsby, and York did you? i for one am considering not going next home game. i left today on 82mins, first time i have left early since we lost 1-0 at home to Wycombe....we was tripe, WTF does Bruce do all week???
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derryphilip
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Bluediver
Sep 10 2005, 05:02 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:50 PM
oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D

So let me ask you this. Do you think that Steve Bruce is a good tactician?



so let me see! when we was in the old first div he was,then the first year he was and the second and all of the sudden he does not know what he is doing,oh pleasee come on
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djmmusic
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Sack Bruce! Sack Sven! Sack everyone! And appoint?........................
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derryphilip
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djmmusic
Sep 10 2005, 05:16 PM
Sack Bruce! Sack Sven! Sack everyone! And appoint?........................

oh and the board,this is getting us no where blaming everone!
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djmmusic
Sep 10 2005, 05:16 PM
Sack Bruce! Sack Sven! Sack everyone! And appoint?........................

sam aladice ;) at least he would be able to motivate the team, i mean lets face it if he can do that with a bunch of old foggys at bolton then he'd do a fantastic job for us. ;)
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Bluediver
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derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 05:14 PM
Bluediver
Sep 10 2005, 05:02 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:50 PM
oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D

So let me ask you this. Do you think that Steve Bruce is a good tactician?



so let me see! when we was in the old first div he was,then the first year he was and the second and all of the sudden he does not know what he is doing,oh pleasee come on

During those times that you mention he had Mark Bowen alongside him. I think the evidence points to Bowen's influence on tactics was a major factor in our success.

Look at our steady descent. Look at our poor game plans we employ. I think you'll find that the poor run that started at the end of the season before last almost exeactly corresponds to the fall out between Bruce and Bowen.

However, if you like what you are seeing at St Andrew's, and believe Bruce to be a good tactician, that's fine by me. It's your perogative.

Personally, I believe we need another Mark Bowen along side of Bruce.
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derryphilip
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Bluediver
Sep 10 2005, 05:34 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 05:14 PM
Bluediver
Sep 10 2005, 05:02 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:50 PM
oh please,lets not go there! sb will always have my support! :D

So let me ask you this. Do you think that Steve Bruce is a good tactician?



so let me see! when we was in the old first div he was,then the first year he was and the second and all of the sudden he does not know what he is doing,oh pleasee come on

During those times that you mention he had Mark Bowen alongside him. I think the evidence points to Bowen's influence on tactics was a major factor in our success.

Look at our steady descent. Look at our poor game plans we employ. I think you'll find that the poor run that started at the end of the season before last almost exeactly corresponds to the fall out between Bruce and Bowen.

However, if you like what you are seeing at St Andrew's, and believe Bruce to be a good tactician, that's fine by me. It's your perogative.

Personally, I believe we need another Mark Bowen along side of Bruce.

don't get me wrong i agree we need someone else to push sb and give him something to think about,but i don't want to be negative until we have had 10 games under are belt,if a big if,if we lose all those games then Yes we need to look at another manager. end of october would be the best time and i really can't see anything being done until then.
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derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:56 PM
I was on the phone in and like i said is that Yes we was poor in front of the goal and i am concerned if heskey has the start and stop in his injuries. we played far betterin the second half.the second was better when mario was takern off and gray was put on. We should look on the postive of the game not the negative.

and the positive's are what exactly? a better second half performance? sorry not good enough its a results driven industry and we are falling way short at the moment, and not much sight of it improving, i bet your like SB and think DD is going to save your season <_<
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salad_dodger
Sep 10 2005, 05:43 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:56 PM
I was on the phone in and like i said is that Yes we was poor in front of the goal and i am concerned if heskey has the start and stop in his injuries. we played far betterin the second half.the second was better when mario was takern off and gray was put on. We should look on the postive of the game not the negative.

and the positive's are what exactly? a better second half performance? sorry not good enough its a results driven industry and we are falling way short at the moment, and not much sight of it improving, i bet your like SB and think DD is going to save your season <_<

gosh that will help the team,being positive
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djmmusic
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dr.nick
Sep 10 2005, 05:34 PM
djmmusic
Sep 10 2005, 05:16 PM
Sack Bruce! Sack Sven! Sack everyone! And appoint?........................

sam aladice ;) at least he would be able to motivate the team, i mean lets face it if he can do that with a bunch of old foggys at bolton then he'd do a fantastic job for us. ;)

So are you suggesting that we sack Steve Bruce in the "off-chance" that Sam Allardyce might leave Bolton to join us?

Thank god the board aren't as knee jerk as the fickle fans with amnesia are on here.
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barryblue
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The game plan today was that our inept goalie should boot the ball high upfield past defence and midfield.The plan B was the same after Heskey went off.I don't remember any football in the first half.
The inept goalie seemed to think his area finishes at the 6yrd box.He could see what was going to happen when Bent came in and whether or not Upson was there,the ball was in HIS area and he should have come for it and knocked both players for six.
I shall offload my losing shares and if BCFC think I am Paying nearly £600 per year to watch a ball in the air then they can whistle .That goes for 4 of us.
If they cure it in January then we may come and watch then! Utter clueless Rubbish.! I rate Taylor as the most inept goalie in the prem.
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derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 05:45 PM
salad_dodger
Sep 10 2005, 05:43 PM
derryphilip
Sep 10 2005, 04:56 PM
I was on the phone in and like i said is that Yes we was poor in front of the goal and i am concerned if heskey has the start and stop in his injuries. we played far betterin the second half.the second was better when mario was takern off and gray was put on. We should look on the postive of the game not the negative.

and the positive's are what exactly? a better second half performance? sorry not good enough its a results driven industry and we are falling way short at the moment, and not much sight of it improving, i bet your like SB and think DD is going to save your season <_<

gosh that will help the team,being positive

No what will help the team is steve bruce being able to get his idea's and tactics over to the team, thats of course he does actually have some? because at the moment and for the big part of last season he didn't seem to!! gosh <_<
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Sep 10 2005, 04:36 PM
Whether Bruce should stay or go is debatable. What is beyond debate now is that we need someone in charge of first team tactics. A spirited second half performance this afternoon doesn't excuse the tripe that we endured in the first half.

I have said for at least 18-months that Bruce is tactically inept. I have waited to be proved wrong. Performances keep proving me correct.

sorry are we questioning steve bruce defensive coach/ manager or black outfield coach.cause i think its black thats not right and since he came we havent looked the part
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I dont get why we have a weak defence with al the defensive players we have though. If mario goes out of his postion thats not helping, we an eithere put a defender in for someone or anothr defensive midfielder in, we need to try it but cant risk games eithere.
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Bluediver
Sep 10 2005, 04:36 PM
Whether Bruce should stay or go is debatable. What is beyond debate now is that we need someone in charge of first team tactics. A spirited second half performance this afternoon doesn't excuse the tripe that we endured in the first half.

I have said for at least 18-months that Bruce is tactically inept. I have waited to be proved wrong. Performances keep proving me correct.

I either can't remember, or didn't hear how Charlton scored (was watching *entertaining* athletics).

I bet it was either Cunningham or Clapham's fault. Usual situation - team goes forward, no marking, forward has space near back post - open goal.

I don't think we need a tactician? I've seen Bruce's side defend properly before. But why is the marking, organisation, knowing when how/to tackle so bad?

The reason I like Mehdi Nafti and compared him to Makelele was because he was ALWAYS tight on his player. Our players are 3-4 paces infront, and when a player runs at them, they run back allowing them more space in our area.

Man City only have Onouha, Distin, Dunne and Thatcher. Our players give everything, I get the impression Bruce is respected, and they've got the skill.

Liverpool's team defended like ours after the 'zonal marking system'... makes me wonder if it is tactics, but Bruce's team have defended properly before so ??????
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djmmusic
Sep 10 2005, 06:03 PM
dr.nick
Sep 10 2005, 05:34 PM
djmmusic
Sep 10 2005, 05:16 PM
Sack Bruce! Sack Sven! Sack everyone! And appoint?........................

sam aladice ;) at least he would be able to motivate the team, i mean lets face it if he can do that with a bunch of old foggys at bolton then he'd do a fantastic job for us. ;)

So are you suggesting that we sack Steve Bruce in the "off-chance" that Sam Allardyce might leave Bolton to join us?

Thank god the board aren't as knee jerk as the fickle fans with amnesia are on here.

sam would jump at the chance to be at a club that would back him like ours.

and amnisia? these perfomances have been going on for 2 seasons.

the only reason our second season looked so good was the forces goals, without those we would of been relagated.
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I think the problem is the management.

Bruce - Played as no noncense CB at man utd and managed several division one clubs

Black - Manager at Aberdeen and Coventry

Bullivant - Coach at Palace

Neither coach has any experience of managing at a high level with skillful players. Our team are no worse than Man City, Boro or Charlton, those teams were just better organised. They new when to pass, when to cross, who to pass to, when to dribble and tore us apart.

As an outsider there doesn't seem to be a lot of tactical coaching to the players in which case it just turns into a free-for-all with a lack of communication and cohesion, such as the marking for the goal or when pennant went wandering to the left and know one covered for him.

Maybe instead of bringing in Bullivant Bruce should have looked for a more experience coach who has coached good teams in UEFA cup or abroad for example.
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Allardyce doesn't motivate his players.

I don't want a manager who's got the best out of flops. I'd want a manager who's produced a player like Gerrard, by himself.

All of those managers fail, because they're not respected by their players. When things are bad, people question the relevance of football, or having to play for people who you dislike/or dislike you when you have a guarenteed wage.

Look at Trabelsi. He's a world class right back, he could be as big as Cafu, he probably has more ability than Cafu. Wenger saw his attitude, didn't want to sign him. He stopped performing for Ajax and got dropped to the bench.

Same happened to us with Dugarry.

We need a manager who can produce skillful players and keep their respect. We can't get both, Allardyce can't stop Diouf from spitting, Okocha from trying to sign for other teams, he can't stop Campo (also a skillful player) being lazy.

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