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| Why Wasnt Their Keeper Sent Off ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 10 2005, 07:41 PM (286 Views) | |
| Chelmsley Blue | Sep 10 2005, 07:41 PM Post #1 |
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can anyone enlighten me, i thought that if the keeper handles the ball outside the pen area he gets dismissed ...ala taylor at old trafford , really peed me off that the keeper stayed on the pitch to make a great save from the rifle in the first half :angry: |
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| dr.nick | Sep 10 2005, 07:43 PM Post #2 |
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because they were playing us ;) |
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| skitz | Sep 10 2005, 07:43 PM Post #3 |
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Because the ref had no balls :angry: |
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| BluenoseMo | Sep 10 2005, 07:52 PM Post #4 |
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Johnny Vincent
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I don't think that handling outside the area is necessarily a sending off though, only if it stops a goalscoring opportunity. But I was angry because Maik had been sent off for the same thing - typical, one rule for us .................. Mo x |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 07:56 PM Post #5 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Didn't see the incident but assume he didn't walk because it was at the side of the box and I assume there were covering defenders around. Knew it wouldnt' be red as the referee was doing too much talking while looking for his cards. |
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| barryblue | Sep 10 2005, 07:58 PM Post #6 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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AND the hand ball after? |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 08:00 PM Post #7 |
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Mikael Forssell
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The hand ball? The ref had no balls. |
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| djmmusic | Sep 10 2005, 08:54 PM Post #8 |
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It was a disgrace that their keeper was kept on. Fair enough,the ref may not have seen,but the incident happened right under the nose of the linesman,who the ref could've consulted if in doubt. A match changing decision. |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 09:05 PM Post #9 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Today's ref isn't one for consulting linesmen though. |
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| barryblue | Sep 10 2005, 09:09 PM Post #10 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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The hand ball off the line. |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 09:21 PM Post #11 |
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Mikael Forssell
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The player might have used his hand but it wan't down the referee's shorts as the ref has no balls. |
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| BluenoseMo | Sep 10 2005, 09:26 PM Post #12 |
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Johnny Vincent
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Law 12 - Fouls & Misconduct Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following six offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: kicks or attempts to kick an opponent trips or attempts to trip an opponent jumps at an opponent charges an opponent strikes or attempts to strike an opponent pushes an opponent A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following four offences: tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball holds an opponent spits at an opponent handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area) A direct free kick is taken from where the offence occurred. Penalty kick A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play. Indirect free kick An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following five offences: takes more than six seconds while controlling the ball with his hands before releasing it from his possession touches the ball again with his hands after it has been released from his possession and has not touched any other player touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately been kicked to him by a team-mate touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player, in the opinion of the referee: plays in a dangerous manner impedes the progress of an opponent prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or dismiss a player The indirect free kick is taken from where the offence occurred. Disciplinary sanctions Only a player or substitute or substituted player may be shown the red or yellow card. The Referee has the authority to take disciplinary sanctions, as from the moment he enters the field of play until he leaves the field of play after the final whistle. Cautionable offences A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences: is guilty of unsporting behaviour shows dissent by word or action persistently infringes the Laws of the Game delays the restart of play fails to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick or free kick enters or re-enters the field of play without the referee’s permission deliberately leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission Sending-off offences A player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences: is guilty of serious foul play is guilty of violent conduct spits at an opponent or any other person denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures receives a second caution in the same match A player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area. ********************************************************* No mention of what happens if a goalkeeper handles outside the area and doesn't deny a goalscoring opportunity by doing so. :unsure: Mo x |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 10:01 PM Post #13 |
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I didn't see the incident but assume it was not seen to be deliberate hand ball. In which case a red card would have been very harsh. If they show it in our 35 seconds on MOTD I might comment further! LOL |
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| Blacksmith | Sep 10 2005, 10:24 PM Post #14 |
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I agree with Mo on this one. Checking up on it, I found that it is only an immediate red card if, in the opinion of the referee, it denied a goal-scoring opportunity. Otherwise, it is a booking and a direct free kick. As this was at the side of the penalty area and there were other players inside the area, he must have felt that this was not the case. Of more concern to me was the penalty he missed inside the area when a defender hand balled. |
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| k-bek | Sep 10 2005, 11:24 PM Post #15 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Just seen it on TV. The defender was waiting for the keeper to come and collect it on the edge of the area. The keeper hesitated allowing Forssell to get close. The keeper had his hands all but on the ball right on the line when Forssell had a little toe poke at it which made the keeper take it outside the box. After seeing it, a red card would have been very harsh. |
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| Aussiebrum | Sep 10 2005, 11:58 PM Post #16 |
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Mikael Forssell
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The problem is we don't seem to get the benefit of the doubt with these, but they always seem to go against us when we foul. Quite an unfair position. |
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| dan_lesser | Sep 11 2005, 01:02 AM Post #17 |
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Pwel should have been sent off, no doubt that it was also a penalty. He must have a strange shaped chest for the ball to bounce off it like that. To me that is the 5-6th clear penalty we should have had this season (4 were against Man Ctiy. Thought we were unlucky 2nd half. |
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