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So Whats Wrong
Topic Started: Sep 11 2005, 06:46 AM (257 Views)
Lucky
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Bob Latchford
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so where are things going wrong,
the manager,is he doing everything right ,is team selection right ,are the tactics right,are injured players being put in too soon,should they have a run in the reserves first,


the board , have they kept their promises to the fans about 4 quality signings this summer,

the players, are they all playing to their maximum, are they giving us fans 100% at every game for 90 minutes,are they keeping to the plan,do they track back and cover each other ,are they doing the basics right,

the fans ,are we as fans doing everything we can to back the team,

just a few points to chew over ,but lets do it like adults ,no sniping ,just your honest opinions ,none of this ,remember where we were years ago ,or your a whinger answers,lets see if we can debate in a sensible way .
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tuggy
Sep 11 2005, 07:46 AM
so where are things going wrong,
the manager,is he doing everything right ,is team selection right ,are the tactics right,are injured players being put in too soon,should they have a run in the reserves first,


the board , have they kept their promises to the fans about 4 quality signings this summer,

the players, are they all playing to their maximum, are they giving us fans 100% at every game for 90 minutes,are they keeping to the plan,do they track back and cover each other ,are they doing the basics right,

the fans ,are we as fans doing everything we can to back the team,

just a few points to chew over ,but lets do it like adults ,no sniping ,just your honest opinions ,none of this ,remember where we were years ago ,or your a whinger answers,lets see if we can debate in a sensible way .

I would say no he is not doing everything right. the one obvious thing with Blues is the lack of planning, the predictability of our play, As a club does every team from the 1st team to the youths play the same system?

Team selection. We have a lot of good players in the team, but a lot of them know that no matter what their performances they will still be in the team the next game.

Tactics. As far as i have seen our one tactic is whenever possible HOOF it up to Heskey wether he is playing or not. We have players in this squad who can play football they have the skills and the know how. so why do we resort to that.

The board. I have said it before a lot of money has been wasted on so so players. who have not done the job they were bought to do. in many cases when quality was required we bought quantity. Look at ho much we paid for Morrison,Blake,Gronkjaer, etc and how much did we recoup. How many times have we spent a budget and then gone and signed another player which then had to come out of the next budget.

Its been obvious to everyone that we needed a new CB and LB for a while now. we spent the summer listening to the manager telling us how important having a 4th striker then we promptly go out and sell a striker without having a replacement ready to sign.

Do the players give 100% i would say yes, but i feel they are as frustrated as we are with the performances.
Plan what plan? there i think is the problem we do not seem to have one. that the players are happy playing hence the present situation. we also seem to have a fair few players who are here on the "IF" factor. if they are fit, if they can regain their form of 2 / 3 years ago.
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great reply willie,
agree about the 4 strikers ,we needed 4 so we sell 2,
agree ,lb was a problem last year ,the answer ,zilch,
to many what ifs for me ,if a player is half fit ,the prem is not the place to be ,you can carry 1 but not 4,
the board ,to many promises but alot of money has been wasted ,what other business could you buy something for nearly 5 million and recoup less than half,when the commodity is still the same as when you bought it,
the fans ,they are been built up by promises which are failing to happen,so they will get restless,
the players ,not sure if they are all giving 100% all the time,some are but i guess frustration is creeping in ,
this year we have tried to change our style but im not sure if we the quality players at present to carry it off.
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what as happened as happened and we can't go back,just forward.
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Lucky
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and how ,thats what we are trying to find.
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Sep 11 2005, 09:47 AM
great reply willie,
agree about the 4 strikers ,we needed 4 so we sell 2,
agree ,lb was a problem last year ,the answer ,zilch,
to many what ifs for me ,if a player is half fit ,the prem is not the place to be ,you can carry 1 but not 4,
the board ,to many promises but alot of money has been wasted ,what other business could you buy something for nearly 5 million and recoup less than half,when the commodity is still the same as when you bought it,
the fans ,they are been built up by promises which are failing to happen,so they will get restless,
the players ,not sure if they are all giving 100% all the time,some are but i guess frustration is creeping in ,
this year we have tried to change our style but im not sure if we the quality players at present to carry it off.

Ok i have a nice new tin hat so here goes.

We buy Morrison and Blake for fee's totaling. £6.25m. we sell them for a combined fee of £1.9m

We spend £3m on a player who on last seasons evidence cannot play to an affective level with our centre forward. as they are too similar. and has not had any pre season training.

We spend another £3m on a player who is recovering from a serious knee injury a very similar to the one that forced Garry Rowett to retire.

So basically we are playing with one fully fit striker. Heskey who has suffered injuries this season.

We have a left back who suffred from a virus during the summer which was serious enough. for the manager to consider signing a replacement as cover. where is the cover.

We have a captain and Central defender who is now getting through games on his past experience. and is getting exposed. but no replacement was bought why?? the comment i read was "we are waiting for Kenny to make a decision about his future"
so what happens if he picks up an injury who comes in??

We have a player who in the last 2 seasons has not played 20 games because of a recurring injury, yet we do not try and get a replacement for him we struggle on crying out for some one with similar skills. then we are all expecting that player to change our season around in the next few weeks when he returns from an 8 month lay off.

We bring in players like Butt and Jarosik who from what i have seen are starting to form a good partnership in the central midfield. Who reading their comments are both commited to signing full time next season so long as we avoid relegation. so looking on the posoitive side thats £4-6m of next seasons budget spent already.

And we will still be left with replacing Cunningham and finding another left back so unless that budget is £10m + we are not going to get a lot are we.




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Two top notch post's Willie and i totally agree with you, that is why i feel SB has taken us as far as he can, and needs someone in to help out and advise.
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willie again top post,no need for a tin hat ,im past all that,
but you can see it i can see it ,ah well ,one day perhaps.
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Blimey Willie....
You're on form today mate!
What you been drinking?
I agree totally....
Also add in that currently our only tactic is to give the ball to Heskey or give the ball to Pennant who must then deliver cross to Heskey (ala the Boggies)....
And then look what happens when Heskey gets injured!
No Tactic!! (Singular format is intentional - We don't have tactics!)
Pennant of course is still getting used to Premiership pace....
Immensely talented but let's not expect too much of him too soon....
He has as much to learn on the pitch as he does off it....
And quite frankly I think that Clinton leaving may well help his all round development.....
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Sep 11 2005, 01:44 PM
Blimey Willie....
You're on form today mate!
What you been drinking?
I agree totally....
Also add in that currently our only tactic is to give the ball to Heskey or give the ball to Pennant who must then deliver cross to Heskey (ala the Boggies)....
And then look what happens when Heskey gets injured!
No Tactic!! (Singular format is intentional - We don't have tactics!)
Pennant of course is still getting used to Premiership pace....
Immensely talented but let's not expect too much of him too soon....
He has as much to learn on the pitch as he does off it....
And quite frankly I think that Clinton leaving may well help his all round development.....

Bluebird, The performance of the team has been poor for a while now with the odd exception. is it the Bowen factor i don't know, but i would like to see the stats from the leicester game at St Andrews onwards. reading some of the stuff i have, i am amazed that again the fans are being blamed how does that work?
we have certain area's in the team where we are weak. if i and others can see it i am a bit confused as why those paid vast sums cannot. but also i have tried not to knock the team for the sake of it. but i am really concerened that the longer this slump goes on the harder it will be to reverse it.


I guess i am also fed up of reading about revolutions blah de blah. and its about time people realised the lack of atmosphere is not all down to the fans. its not all down to the so called prawn sarnie brigade. it all stems from the performance of the team. example look at the cricket ? but hey who am i to deny anyone their 15 mins of fame.

i'm off for a lie down now. my brain is beggining to hurt
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funny how the ground comes to life when we score,its a two way thing this supporting.
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I dont think there is anything wrong with our squad apart from the obvious need for a defender or two, which was known all summer and never addressed.

For some reason though Bruce has most definately not been getting the best out of this group of players for a good 12-18 months now. Consistant underperformances from players, poor tactics and team selection have contributed a very poor start.

We have the players to be in the top 8 at least so why arent they doing it????

It needs addressing not ignoring.
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dany ,
last night i was bored and looked at all the squads in the prem,
and when we have a FULLY FIT squad there is no reason why we should be up around the top ten,some teams have much better in depth than us but others have not,my worry is the points we are dropping waiting for these players to reach full fitness,we are allready playing catch up.
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Willie, If only you could put these points you made to BCFC administratiion.
Simply the best post I have read on this board.
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thank god we never spent as much as newcastle eh? you lot would be slitting yer wrists - or is that wishful thinking? ;)
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joking, didn't mean ALL of you... :rolleyes:
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