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Stadium News; Muslims against it
Topic Started: Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM (734 Views)
78blues
Steve Claridge
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Just found this on IC Birmingham.

MUSLIMS are being urged to drop opposition to a Birmingham super-casino in return for a promise that the project will regenerate a run-down inner city area.

City council leaders are conducting a charm offensive in an effort to swing support behind Birmingham City Football Club's planned £217 million stadium and casino development at Saltley.

Ken Hardeman, cabinet regeneration member, has recently met councillors and community leaders from the largely Muslim-populated areas of Bordesley Green, Sparkbrook and Small Heath.

Coun Hardeman (Con, Brandwood) admitted there was concern among people living near to the site of the Blues' new ground, since the Islamic faith bans gambling.

But he believes a regional casino will act as a major driver for regeneration by bringing wealth, jobs and new development to an economically and socially deprived area.

Birmingham City Council meets tomorrow and is expected to support in principle a bid to the Government for a regional casino.

How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs. I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.

I'm not too keen on mosques(sp?) but it doesn't mean that they don't build them wherever they want. I can think of 5 in a 3 mile radius around the Blues ground.

Have they bothered to have meetings with the other faiths within Birmingham to ask what they think. I live between St Andrews and the site for the new ground but haven't been asked how I feel about a casino being built, yet a mosque was built at the end of Tilton road and I don't remember them asking me, who is a Catholic, if I minded them building it.

But then again, I was born in Birmingham, I work and pay my taxes, so why would they want my opinion!!
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barryblue
Geoff Horsfield
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Blairs Britain!

We'll pass a special law so that en route to the game no one looks at the women,no one sings,wears bright colours or shoes on their feet.The refreshment bars will be closed during ramadam and no smoking then either.Is there anything else we can do ffs.Catch a sparrow for yer cat Sir? or shall we just all ***off and start again in Greenland or somewhere,where they can't find us and tell us how we can live in our country.My Moslem pal laughed when he heard this.

I could understand their objections re building etc but on religious groundsffs surely there faith is so strong they have the chance to make many converts! Especially after we play Charlton.

They are the world,s second biggest gamblers after the chinese.
I take it their'll be no more cockfighting in Saltley then? :mellow: :huh: ^_^ :o ;) :P :D :lol: B) :rolleyes: -_- <_< :) :angry:
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sam jordan
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78blues
Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM
Just found this on IC Birmingham.

MUSLIMS are being urged to drop opposition to a Birmingham super-casino in return for a promise that the project will regenerate a run-down inner city area.

City council leaders are conducting a charm offensive in an effort to swing support behind Birmingham City Football Club's planned £217 million stadium and casino development at Saltley.

Ken Hardeman, cabinet regeneration member, has recently met councillors and community leaders from the largely Muslim-populated areas of Bordesley Green, Sparkbrook and Small Heath.

Coun Hardeman (Con, Brandwood) admitted there was concern among people living near to the site of the Blues' new ground, since the Islamic faith bans gambling.

But he believes a regional casino will act as a major driver for regeneration by bringing wealth, jobs and new development to an economically and socially deprived area.

Birmingham City Council meets tomorrow and is expected to support in principle a bid to the Government for a regional casino.

How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs.  I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.

I'm not too keen on mosques(sp?) but it doesn't mean that they don't build them wherever they want.  I can think of 5 in a 3 mile radius around the Blues ground.

Have they bothered to have meetings with the other faiths within Birmingham to ask what they think.  I live between St Andrews and the site for the new ground but haven't been asked how I feel about a casino being built, yet a mosque was built at the end of Tilton road and I don't remember them asking me, who is a Catholic, if I minded them building it. 

But then again, I was born in Birmingham, I work and pay my taxes, so why would they want my opinion!!

yes the world gets sillier by the day.

I was born and breed in Birmingham, have loads of family there, they all pay taxes and council tax, but like u state, they don't have a say!

If BCFC wanted a mosque, NO PROBLEM, heres some land, and a grant!

This Stadium is for Birmingham City and its residents to utilise, and for the city to stay as the second city.

Our image as a city is being degraded all the time, all we have to show for last 20yrs is a new bull ring, (which is good) and Large pockets of immigrants who want to change the city beyond recognition.

Most people outside of birmingham look at Birmingham as a centre for immigration, a muslim centre, and run down, and think of concrete hell, the bull ring has helped change the image, we now need a strong council to forge the stadium into reality.

If the muslim community want to intrgrate and for us all to get on, then surely blocking the stadium is not a good idea... I understand concerns for casino, but if it is not at stadium it will be elsewhere.

It seems ok for a small minority of their community to "hate" democracy, and preach hate, but not ok for our community to gamble?

who is running birmingham?

it is not the WASPS! who r the majority and the tax payers, it is FEAR! fear of upsetting the minority, the terroists have got their wishes, we are pandering to their demands, and handing over britain!

(holocaust day ! they want it banned - see my post in General Chat)
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pa132435no2
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78blues
Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM


How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs.  I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.


It's against their beliefs, it doesn't mean THEY have to take part in it.

Our Muslim community has rape, drugs, murder, incest and terrorists. A casino isn't as bad as what happens daily in their community.

Hopefully the government/council won't listen to a society that's took more than it's gave for Birmingham.

Where's your balls? Let's see if they listen to the Muslims, just so they can preach equality.
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sam jordan
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pa132435no2
Sep 12 2005, 01:41 PM
78blues
Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM


How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs.  I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.


It's against their beliefs, it doesn't mean THEY have to take part in it.

Our Muslim community has rape, murder, incest and terrorists. A casino isn't as bad as what happens daily in their community.

Hopefully the government/council won't listen to a society that's took more than it's gave for Birmingham.

Where's your balls? Let's see if they listen to the Muslims, just so they can preach equality.

they will pander to them, they will want to be seen to be "correct", and not "offend" them these councellors are leftie blair backers,..... PC is what they believe in, don't offend anyone, unless "working/middle class tax paying whites" (they will take anything! -)
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pa132435no2
Frank Worthington
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sam jordan
Sep 12 2005, 01:43 PM
pa132435no2
Sep 12 2005, 01:41 PM
78blues
Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM


How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs.  I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.


It's against their beliefs, it doesn't mean THEY have to take part in it.

Our Muslim community has rape, murder, incest and terrorists. A casino isn't as bad as what happens daily in their community.

Hopefully the government/council won't listen to a society that's took more than it's gave for Birmingham.

Where's your balls? Let's see if they listen to the Muslims, just so they can preach equality.

they will pander to them, they will want to be seen to be "correct", and not "offend" them these councellors are leftie blair backers,..... PC is what they believe in, don't offend anyone, unless "working/middle class tax paying whites" (they will take anything! -)

I wonder what stand we can all take against this?
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sam jordan
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well we can just make sure as much as the media as possible knows, all the national press would publish.... phone them or e mail them, so they report story.

the tide of "understanding" is turning, we have been too tolerant, so we can push this from that angle, it would be terrible if it failed because of muslims, if they hate our laws, our culture, our "holocaust day", our democratic way of life, our new stadium etc, why did they settle their families here? economics maybe? freedom is not free, you have to compromise, they want their share of cake, and ours....
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78blues
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It makes me angry that they will have a meeting with a handfull of Muslims, yet they won't listen to over 10,000 petitions that were sent in or the 26,000 fans who attend the ground most weeks.

I feel we now live in a country that would rather bow down to the people who want to change the way we all live than listen to the people who are trying to make Birmingham better.

My Mom and Dad live in Small Heath with my 6 year old brother who is friends with many of the Asian kids of his age. One of the young Asian lads he plays with was told he can't play with my brother anymore becuase his teacher at his Muslim school had told them that he shouldn't play with white children anymore.

I told my Mom to call the police about this but she was worried that it may come on her. But if this is one small child in one small Muslim school who is being taught like this, only Allah knows what the other schools are teaching the young kids who go there.

I know this does not apply to all Muslim's and I dont want this to start sounding like a racist rant, but with all you hear and see living in these parts of Birmingham, it is no wonder we feel hard done by.

You just need to look at all the Festivals we have in Birmingham yet a St Georges day parade is ruled out as it may cause racial tension...The only thing that is causing racial tension it not being able to celebrate being English in England.
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djmmusic
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Apart from anything else,how can any sane man block a development that will turn a run down industrial ******* into a thriving stadium?
One which will bring jobs and wealth creation,as well as trade for existing local businesses,from petrol stations to curry houses. They should welcome the new business with wide open arms. No one is saying they have to gamble there!
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sam jordan
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78blues
Sep 12 2005, 02:04 PM
It makes me angry that they will have a meeting with a handfull of Muslims, yet they won't listen to over 10,000 petitions that were sent in or the 26,000 fans who attend the ground most weeks.

I feel we now live in a country that would rather bow down to the people who want to change the way we all live than listen to the people who are trying to make Birmingham better.

My Mom and Dad live in Small Heath with my 6 year old brother who is friends with many of the Asian kids of his age. One of the young Asian lads he plays with was told he can't play with my brother anymore becuase his teacher at his Muslim school had told them that he shouldn't play with white children anymore.

I told my Mom to call the police about this but she was worried that it may come on her. But if this is one small child in one small Muslim school who is being taught like this, only Allah knows what the other schools are teaching the young kids who go there.

I know this does not apply to all Muslim's and I dont want this to start sounding like a racist rant, but with all you hear and see living in these parts of Birmingham, it is no wonder we feel hard done by.

You just need to look at all the Festivals we have in Birmingham yet a St Georges day parade is ruled out as it may cause racial tension...The only thing that is causing racial tension it not being able to celebrate being English in England.

good post, and shows some elements of stupidity of what is going on,

we are in fear of being seen as racists, this is not racism, this is COMMON SENSE,

i fear that the council will opt for the easy option of allowing the Casino at the NEC for the way of getting out of having hassle from the minority, the councillor responsible is a muslim from ASTON! he is stating that he will not agree to a casino that offends his religion. He stated that he had "grave concerns about the moral correctness of a super casino in the city...."

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djmmusic
Alex Govan
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Aaaarghh!!
If I was a Birmingham councillor I would be more concerned with regenerating our cities,fighting gun crime, and reclaiming the streets for people too frightened to go out at night,than to go round stopping casinos doing their job,which, is to deprive stupid rich people of money!
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sam jordan
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i just hope people remember all this madness next time they vote in the council elections....
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djmmusic
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Good point - LOBBY your councillors NOW!
To find out which Ward you are in, click the following link
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/mandoforms/se...&MF_DEVICE=HTML

To contact your councillor click on this link: http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateConte...E=0&MENU_ID=579
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Stourbridge Blue
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"the councillor responsible is a muslim from ASTON! he is stating that he will not agree to a casino that offends his religion. He stated that he had "grave concerns about the moral correctness of a super casino in the city...."

There is no reason why a group of Birmingham City supporters should not turn up at one of his surgeries to discuss our problem. You do not have to live in his ward to discuss local issues with him.
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sam jordan
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Stourbridge Blue
Sep 12 2005, 02:40 PM
"the councillor responsible is a muslim from ASTON! he is stating that he will not agree to a casino that offends his religion. He stated that he had "grave concerns about the moral correctness of a super casino in the city...."

There is no reason why a group of Birmingham City supporters should not turn up at one of his surgeries to discuss our problem. You do not have to live in his ward to discuss local issues with him.

i am sure if he would approve of the moral correctness of that proposed visit.. LOL

and i am sure there must be some part of muslim culture that would find a group of birmingham supporters somewhat offensive... LOL

so tread carefully, u will be accused of racism, and "anti-multiculturalism"...(which means we have to ammend our way of life to theirs,

what next? maybe if we told them we will intrgrate a mosque into the stadium?



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djmmusic
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Well, I've already emailed my councillor. This is what I've put. See what you think.

"Dear ......

I am saddened to hear that certain councillors are opposing the new super casino. Whilst I don't agree with gambling myself,I am not going to stop other people doing this as we live in a democracy.

But what really concerns me is that this is a chance for urban renewal here in our city - the casino will fund a new City of Birmingham Stadium,big enough to stage major international football matches,cricket tests and athletics,on what is largely wasteland. Bringing new employment,wealth and prosperity to an area that badly needs it. I know, I work with the youth in this area.

To my mind the moral issue is immaterial. We already licence gambling in Birmingham's many casinos - surely the size of the casino is irrelevant; either you have gambling or you don't.

Somewhere in the UK will get this licence. Don't let it slip away; please fight Birmingham's corner.

I would be grateful for a reply and a clear statement of your position regarding the stadium.

Yours sincerely etc............"
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bluejan
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Sam Jordan, you are the perfect example of insiduous racism.
All this talk of "them" and us...I am not a WASP, I am a catholic and do not want you speaking on my behalf with your half thought out BNP slogans and exaggerations.

I would welcome a new stadium, Sam Jordan, and would welcome consultation, Sam Jordan.

Keep to the thread and keep your chilldish racist attitudes in check.
Please!
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sam jordan
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djmmusic
Sep 12 2005, 02:56 PM
Well, I've already emailed my councillor. This is what I've put. See what you think.

"Dear ......

I am saddened to hear that certain councillors are opposing the new super casino. Whilst I don't agree with gambling myself,I am not going to stop other people doing this as we live in a democracy.

But what really concerns me is that this is a chance for urban renewal here in our city - the casino will fund a new City of Birmingham Stadium,big enough to stage major international football matches,cricket tests and athletics,on what is largely wasteland. Bringing new employment,wealth and prosperity to an area that badly needs it. I know, I work with the youth in this area.

To my mind the moral issue is immaterial. We already licence gambling in Birmingham's many casinos - surely the size of the casino is irrelevant; either you have gambling or you don't.

Somewhere in the UK will get this licence. Don't let it slip away; please fight Birmingham's corner.

I would be grateful for a reply and a clear statement of your position regarding the stadium.

Yours sincerely etc............"

excellent, please let us know if u get that reply...
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sam jordan
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bluejan
Sep 12 2005, 02:57 PM
Sam Jordan, you are the perfect example of insiduous racism.
All this talk of "them" and us...I am not a WASP, I am a catholic and do not want you speaking on my behalf with your half thought out BNP slogans and exaggerations.

I would welcome a new stadium, Sam Jordan, and would welcome consultation, Sam Jordan.

Keep to the thread and keep your chilldish racist attitudes in check.
Please!


here we go again, a perfect example of someone who cannot face what i am saying, it is not racism....

where have i suggested i would speak on ur behalf?

where i have i placed BNP slogans?

where did i suggest u were a wasp?
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davisbluenose
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It is obvious the muslims will win it now!
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sam jordan
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Sep 12 2005, 03:02 PM
It is obvious the muslims will win it now!

everyone would lose out, and "we" (meaning the community - before anyone suggests i am speaking for them) do need more jobs, redevelopment in that part of city, and yes a great stadium.

i was careful with my words so not to offend any reader...
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pa132435no2
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bluejan
Sep 12 2005, 02:57 PM
Sam Jordan, you are the perfect example of insiduous racism.
All this talk of "them" and us...I am not a WASP, I am a catholic and do not want you speaking on my behalf with your half thought out BNP slogans and exaggerations.

I would welcome a new stadium, Sam Jordan, and would welcome consultation, Sam Jordan.

Keep to the thread and keep your chilldish racist attitudes in check.
Please!

Them - people opposing 'us' as BCFC supporters.

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sam jordan
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pa132435no2
Sep 12 2005, 03:14 PM
bluejan
Sep 12 2005, 02:57 PM
Sam Jordan, you are the perfect example of insiduous racism.
All this talk of "them" and us...I am not a WASP, I am a catholic and do not want you speaking on my behalf with your half thought out BNP slogans and exaggerations.

I would welcome a new stadium, Sam Jordan, and would welcome consultation, Sam Jordan.

Keep to the thread and keep your chilldish racist attitudes in check.
Please!

Them - people opposing 'us' as BCFC supporters.

sorry i did not define "us" and "them" clearly enough for you.

I still fail to see where i was "speaking" for you?

I still fail to see where the BNP slogans were?

I still fail to see where i suggested you were a wasp?

I still fail to see where i was racist?

u don't geddit do u? eh?
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sam jordan
Sep 12 2005, 01:37 PM
78blues
Sep 12 2005, 01:17 PM
Just found this on IC Birmingham.

MUSLIMS are being urged to drop opposition to a Birmingham super-casino in return for a promise that the project will regenerate a run-down inner city area.

City council leaders are conducting a charm offensive in an effort to swing support behind Birmingham City Football Club's planned £217 million stadium and casino development at Saltley.

Ken Hardeman, cabinet regeneration member, has recently met councillors and community leaders from the largely Muslim-populated areas of Bordesley Green, Sparkbrook and Small Heath.

Coun Hardeman (Con, Brandwood) admitted there was concern among people living near to the site of the Blues' new ground, since the Islamic faith bans gambling.

But he believes a regional casino will act as a major driver for regeneration by bringing wealth, jobs and new development to an economically and socially deprived area.

Birmingham City Council meets tomorrow and is expected to support in principle a bid to the Government for a regional casino.

How can one faith oppose this as it is against there beliefs.  I am not racist but if you do not agree with a country's laws and rules you find a country that does.

I'm not too keen on mosques(sp?) but it doesn't mean that they don't build them wherever they want.  I can think of 5 in a 3 mile radius around the Blues ground.

Have they bothered to have meetings with the other faiths within Birmingham to ask what they think.  I live between St Andrews and the site for the new ground but haven't been asked how I feel about a casino being built, yet a mosque was built at the end of Tilton road and I don't remember them asking me, who is a Catholic, if I minded them building it. 

But then again, I was born in Birmingham, I work and pay my taxes, so why would they want my opinion!!

yes the world gets sillier by the day.

I was born and breed in Birmingham, have loads of family there, they all pay taxes and council tax, but like u state, they don't have a say!

If BCFC wanted a mosque, NO PROBLEM, heres some land, and a grant!

This Stadium is for Birmingham City and its residents to utilise, and for the city to stay as the second city.

Our image as a city is being degraded all the time, all we have to show for last 20yrs is a new bull ring, (which is good) and Large pockets of immigrants who want to change the city beyond recognition.

Most people outside of birmingham look at Birmingham as a centre for immigration, a muslim centre, and run down, and think of concrete hell, the bull ring has helped change the image, we now need a strong council to forge the stadium into reality.

If the muslim community want to intrgrate and for us all to get on, then surely blocking the stadium is not a good idea... I understand concerns for casino, but if it is not at stadium it will be elsewhere.

It seems ok for a small minority of their community to "hate" democracy, and preach hate, but not ok for our community to gamble?

who is running birmingham?

it is not the WASPS! who r the majority and the tax payers, it is FEAR! fear of upsetting the minority, the terroists have got their wishes, we are pandering to their demands, and handing over britain!

(holocaust day ! they want it banned - see my post in General Chat)

maybe some of the language in this post has led some in the direction they are going towards your views??

it does seem you are implying that WASPS are paying all the taxes :blink:

it could read like you are saying that Muslims have no right to oppose a building due to the fact they obviously don't pay taxes or aren't born here

If you are a local resident to the area you will have been contacted about the meeting but like the majority of people will have just chucked the leaflet in the bin as council rubbish... the meeting wouldn't have been called oppostion to stadium but would have been a council meeting with that on the agenda??
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78blues
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I wondered how long the 'Do Gooders, you are all racist' would take to start posting....I am amazed it has taken 2 pages though!!!

The only racism in Birmingham is them (Muslims) telling us (Non Muslims) how we should live.

This is why Muslims and Non Muslims will never know about each others faiths because nearly everything we do in the Western world is seen as going against there religion and this is why I said in my first post, why move to, or choose to live in a Non Muslim country and dictate what we can and can't do as it goes against there beliefs.

All but one post can see what is happening in this City.

THIS IS NOT RACISM, IT IS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD.
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