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Sven Think We Can Win The World Cup
Topic Started: Oct 10 2005, 11:34 AM (187 Views)
StAndrews4Eva
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Gil Merrick
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Sven has stated that he thinks we have the squad to win the world cup and only Brazil have a better squad. He also says that we have ten of the best 50 players in the world in our squad.

Now i happen to agree with him on a lot of this. We DO have the best bunch of players in an England team than we possibily ever have done. The only problem is we cant seem to get them to play in a way that reflects their abilities and their form for their clubs.

Why could this be?

Do you think the players are less motivated to play for their country than their club as it is with their club that they earn their wages?

Could it be the formations and tactics that they are asked to play dont suit them?

Or could it be simply that they dont have a manager who can get the best out of tha players?

Persoanlly, i say it is the later. Sven does not seem to gives the players the motivation that they need to perform well. They also seem clueless when they are on the pitch - almost like they havent been told how to play the game.

If these players are used to instruction and direction from their manager at club level, then they would expect this at international level. Even players like Lampard and Terry dont look the same player for club as they do for country.

Dont get me wrong, Sven has a great record as manager but for me, the cracks are starting to show and I would hate to think that we lose out on our best chance to win something in a long time.
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sam jordan
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would be crazy to change manager now, we have great players, and he has ONLY lost 1 qualifying game since being manager, (NO OTHER ENGLAND MANAGER CAN BOAST THAT)

First time in my living memory that we have qualified for a comp with 1 game still to play.

Only lost 3 matchs (competitive) Brazil (world cup q/f) Portugal (euro 04) N ireland

and we could have won both of those if luck had been on our side.

It is down to players now, they are capable of winning world cup, we should be celebrating going to germany, not thinking of sacking him.

What do u want?

do u remember last few?

Hoddle?
Keagan?
Taylor?
Robson?

Sven is best england manager we have had in 25 years, and our best chance of winning world cup, so lets get behind the squad and hopes he takes Upson, Heskey, pennant, Butt and Dunn with him

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StAndrews4Eva
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Gil Merrick
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Where in my 1st post did i mention sacking the manager?

No, I dont think I did.

I merely posted a point for discussion about whether Sven has the ability to motivate the players and in fact whether it is even Svens fault.
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dr.nick
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we might have the players but i am almost sertain we dont have the manager.

i'm trying to think of this 10 world beaters to be honist.

crouch, SWP. :huh:
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TJDIXI
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I think the point is that although sven has a very good competitive record in the qualifiers it's the performances that speak louder than the statistics. It has been a while since you could say that every player was at the best of thier ability and that the result matched the performance fully. Statistics mean absloutley nought if the form is not there to back it up and the players form that we are showing is hardly improving. I would say that we need to re think the ethos of the team and what they do, for too long now we have been weaker than the plyers at our disposle in midfield, we play hobbits up front and then decide to play a giant who can't head a ball. The best sides in the world have players who feel comfortable with the system. The problem with the English game is that we don't breed our players for utility but insted for a specific position. We need a left footer for the left wing, a ball winner to replace either frankie or Gerrard and Beckham needs to remeber that when he is on the wing he is on the wing.

Winning the world cup next year? I'm not sure of that, for many of the players it will be last chance saloon for a world cup.
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Blue16
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we have a good team but the manager is an ass why was he playing carragher in left back
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jester_villa
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my god, me and nicholas agree on something :P

we will get to the quarters at best, sven will miss up or englad will blame the heat, the ref never take responsilibilty that its the manager
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Blue16
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i think we will get to the quaters and lose on pens again ;)
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While we do have the best squad of players we've seen for a long while with almost every player showing great talent, they don't seem to reproduce it.


Greece proved that you do not have to be the best to win a tournament.


The thing I think will let us down is Sven's attitude.

Great German, Brazillian, Dutch and other great sides in the past have all had 1 thing we don't. Consistency with team selection.

While it is great to see some new players getting chances it is essential for the first 11 to be played together regularly. The fact Sven doesn't take friendlies seriously worries me. The first team know they're gonna get a game when it comes to qualifiers because the fringe players never really get a proper chance to shine.

Sven should play his strongest 11 in EVERY game and instill a win at all costs attitude into the players.

IMO the players can't be slated for lack lustre displays if the manager is not putting the right emphasis on to all games. There's no real competition for places because Sven stick with his favourite 11 for qualifiers. They just need more games together. They can't gell as a team sitting in the stands watching no hopers (I mean that in the best sense of the phrase as Sven won't change his forst choice 11) getting beat 1-4 by Denmark.

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sam jordan
Oct 10 2005, 12:56 PM


Only lost 3 matchs (competitive) Brazil (world cup q/f) Portugal (euro 04) N ireland

and we could have won both of those if luck had been on our side.


sorry i disagree.

whilst luck can be important, it's widely accepted that had we employed better tactics in the Brazil and Portugal games then we might have faired better. the substitutions and formation had more to do with us losing than luck and they are the responsibility of the manager. with the Ireland game, it wasn't about luck but more about who wanted the win more than the other side! on that night Ireland wanted it more. again, it's down to the manager (and the players this time) to ensure we're fired up for this game.

your list of managers missed out Venables, who did a fantastic job for England and Robson has taken our team closer to winning the World Cup than any manager has snce Sir Alf. Sir Bobby is a fantastic manager and i for one think he'd help us win with our current squad of players.
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jester_villa
Oct 10 2005, 07:52 PM
my god, me and nicholas agree on something :P

we will get to the quarters at best, sven will miss up or englad will blame the heat, the ref never take responsilibilty that its the manager

blame the heat?

can i remind you the finals are in Germany!
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what a game that would be

germany v england........................conspiracy anyone. ;)
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CarrotBlu
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I was reading that nancy dlwhatvero thinks sven ll win us the world cup
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