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Jan 9 2014, 09:22 PM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
Bad for morale in an era of major conflict (which we haven't really witnessed in more than 60 years) ......just a view I strongly believe in.....I have no issue at all with women serving in the Military either but again would a force of women be viable if a major conflict such as WW2 were to envelope most of the planet And my rant is hardly symbolic of the 1930's .......Most of us are aware that the LBGT community have had to face prejudice and discrimination in the Armed Forces right up to the turn of this current Millenium.....in fact the biggest military power on the planet by far , The United Sates of America, did not repeal it's ban on gays in the Military until just over 2 years ago And there are more nations that still prohibit gay personnel in the Military than those who don't .....although it is fair to say the notion of tolerance is far more prevalent in the Western world and it's major powers ....e.g...USA, Canada, nearly all EU countries, Israel, Russia, China, Japan However today in most of the Islamic world homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the UAE, and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty. Seems there is still work to be done in the Muslim world ,eh ?? What's your take on that then ? Oh ! righteous one feed.back No, you're right. Now I think about it the morale in the Armed Forces took a MASSIVE dive when gays were allowed in in 2000. I personally couldn't do my job for permanent fear of one of those gays wanting to have it off with me. Even now I soldier on, trying to defend the country in the best way I can, but you just never know. What if one of them was to share a messdeck with me? What if they saw me in the shower?! The horror!!
Seriously, it's 2014. Your views might be acceptable to Godfrey Bloom but the rest of us find them ridiculous.
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Jan 10 2014, 12:05 AM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
Bad for morale in an era of major conflict (which we haven't really witnessed in more than 60 years) ......just a view I strongly believe in.....I have no issue at all with women serving in the Military either but again would a force of women be viable if a major conflict such as WW2 were to envelope most of the planet And my rant is hardly symbolic of the 1930's .......Most of us are aware that the LBGT community have had to face prejudice and discrimination in the Armed Forces right up to the turn of this current Millenium.....in fact the biggest military power on the planet by far , The United Sates of America, did not repeal it's ban on gays in the Military until just over 2 years ago And there are more nations that still prohibit gay personnel in the Military than those who don't .....although it is fair to say the notion of tolerance is far more prevalent in the Western world and it's major powers ....e.g...USA, Canada, nearly all EU countries, Israel, Russia, China, Japan However today in most of the Islamic world homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the UAE, and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty. Seems there is still work to be done in the Muslim world ,eh ?? What's your take on that then ? Oh ! righteous one feed.back My take on it is those countries that still base their laws on a bigoted and out dated book still hate most minorities whereas those that have moved to basing laws on morals and social ideals instead have a more open minded way of the world and are a lot more forward thinking instead of using the same laws that were around 1000 years ago.
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Jan 10 2014, 05:21 PM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
(Apologies to others for the mild deviation (no pun intended) in this thread). Homosexuals can't swim, they attract enemy radar, they attract sharks, they insist on being placed at "the captain's table", they get up late, they nudge people whilst they're shooting. They muck about. Imagine... the fear... of knowing you have a gay man on board a boat, when you retire at night you think to yourself "God... will I wake up and find everybody dead?" You can't run a ship like that.
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Migster
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Jan 10 2014, 06:25 PM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
(Apologies to others for the mild deviation (no pun intended) in this thread).
Homosexuals can't swim, they attract enemy radar, they attract sharks, they insist on being placed at "the captain's table", they get up late, they nudge people whilst they're shooting. They muck about. Imagine... the fear... of knowing you have a gay man on board a boat, when you retire at night you think to yourself "God... will I wake up and find everybody dead?" You can't run a ship like that. I put that on in the mess once and two people thought it was real.
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Jan 10 2014, 10:05 PM
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No, you're right. Now I think about it the morale in the Armed Forces took a MASSIVE dive when gays were allowed in in 2000. I personally couldn't do my job for permanent fear of one of those gays wanting to have it off with me. Even now I soldier on, trying to defend the country in the best way I can, but you just never know. What if one of them was to share a messdeck with me? What if they saw me in the shower?! The horror!!
Seriously, it's 2014. Your views might be acceptable to Godfrey Bloom but the rest of us find them ridiculous. I didn't state that though did I ?
Like so many do on here, you take the post out of it's context and completely misinterpret or misunderstand what was being said
I mentioned morale dipping in the event of a major conflict , such as WW2.....but don't fret, the days of mass land invasions, area bombing, occupation and years long wars are gone ......the next one (if there is to be one) will be ended by drones or ICBM's.....it will be over in seconds
God Bless the USA........and gay politicians everywhere
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And by the way, I'm fully aware of what current year it is......You must be a really naïve sort if you think bigotry, hate rhetoric and discrimination have been largely wiped out and equality is on every street corner .....Dream on
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Jan 11 2014, 09:51 AM
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That's enough from Bernard Manning over there. If you want to discriminate against people differerent from yourself, then this football club isn't for you:
http://www.bcfc.com/fans/Equality_And_Diversity/
Now go and support Gayhaters United or someone. Ta-ra...
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Jan 11 2014, 11:24 AM
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That's enough from Bernard Manning over there. If you want to discriminate against people differerent from yourself, then this football club isn't for you: http://www.bcfc.com/fans/Equality_And_Diversity/Now go and support Gayhaters United or someone. Ta-ra... :applause:
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Jan 11 2014, 09:07 PM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
Bad for morale in an era of major conflict (which we haven't really witnessed in more than 60 years) ......just a view I strongly believe in.....I have no issue at all with women serving in the Military either but again would a force of women be viable if a major conflict such as WW2 were to envelope most of the planet And my rant is hardly symbolic of the 1930's .......Most of us are aware that the LBGT community have had to face prejudice and discrimination in the Armed Forces right up to the turn of this current Millenium.....in fact the biggest military power on the planet by far , The United Sates of America, did not repeal it's ban on gays in the Military until just over 2 years ago And there are more nations that still prohibit gay personnel in the Military than those who don't .....although it is fair to say the notion of tolerance is far more prevalent in the Western world and it's major powers ....e.g...USA, Canada, nearly all EU countries, Israel, Russia, China, Japan However today in most of the Islamic world homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the UAE, and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty. Seems there is still work to be done in the Muslim world ,eh ?? What's your take on that then ? Oh ! righteous one feed.back
My take on it is those countries that still base their laws on a bigoted and out dated book still hate most minorities whereas those that have moved to basing laws on morals and social ideals instead have a more open minded way of the world and are a lot more forward thinking instead of using the same laws that were around 1000 years ago. So basically then you're denouncing both The Bible and The Koran
Like Pooley, I presume you are an Atheist
You campaign for gay rights and equality yet you seem to have a big issue with the religious beliefs and freedom of views of both Christians and Muslims.......which make up about roughly two thirds of the entire world population
I see you co-hort Migster avoided the question about the Muslim death penalty issue
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Jan 11 2014, 09:15 PM
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That's enough from Bernard Manning over there. If you want to discriminate against people differerent from yourself, then this football club isn't for you: http://www.bcfc.com/fans/Equality_And_Diversity/Now go and support Gayhaters United or someone. Ta-ra... Show me one post I've written where I have expressed a hatred for the gay community
if you cannot, then at least be man enough to apologise .....if you are a real man of course
I've supported this football club since way before you were in an itch in your daddies' pants.....unless you were adopted by two females, if that's the case then fine and by the way, I'm opposed to gay couples being allowed to bring up children , it's an unnatural and unhealthy environment for children and it's certainly not what God intended .....Morally it's wrong but as you say, it's a changing world these days and I guess being a bit old fashioned or coming from a strict family upbringing is now considered an ultimate sin
And I noticed you were at Brighton today, "a pleasant match day experience" to coin your own phrase .....yet in recent years hundreds of Blue Noses have displayed homophobic behavior with chants mocking homosexuals particularly down there at the Am Ex Stadium
So before you tell me to go and support another club, have a wander around St Andrews next match day and ask people how they really feel about the LGBT community
Until then, take your soap box elsewhere.....ta-ra
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Jan 11 2014, 09:21 PM
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That's enough from Bernard Manning over there. If you want to discriminate against people differerent from yourself, then this football club isn't for you: http://www.bcfc.com/fans/Equality_And_Diversity/Now go and support Gayhaters United or someone. Ta-ra...
Show me one post I've written where I have expressed a hatred for the gay community if you cannot, then at least be man enough to apologise .....if you are a real man of course I've supported this football club since way before you were in an itch in your daddies' pants.....unless you were adopted by two females, if that's the case then fine and by the way, I'm opposed to gay couples being allowed to bring up children , it's a unnatural and unhealthy environment for children and it's certainly not what God intended .....Morally it's wrong but as you say, it's a changing world these days and I guess being a bit old fashioned or coming from a strict family upbringing is now considered an ultimate sin And I noticed you were at Brighton today, "a pleasant match day experience" to coin your own phrase .....yet in recent years hundreds of Blue Noses have displayed homophobic behavior with chants mocking homosexuals So before you tell me to go and support another club, have a wander around St Andrews next match day and ask people how they really feel about the LBGT community Until then, take your soap box elsewhere.....ta-ra KRO No, you seem to lack comprehension skills as well as tolerance, so I'll spell it out for you.
Your views are not compatible with BCFC's Equality and Diversity policy.
Do you understand that?
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Jan 11 2014, 10:01 PM
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No, you seem to lack comprehension skills as well as tolerance, so I'll spell it out for you.
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Your views are not compatible with BCFC's Equality and Diversity policy.
Do you understand that?
Neither are the homophobic chants used at games v Brighton and Hove Albion by hundreds of Blues fans.......From the 1960's onwards right up until recent seasons, a fairly decent sized proportion of Blues fans have participated in violence and crowd disorder on many occasions and at many different venues, even St Andrews and the surrounding areas ..............Don't think BCFC ever wanted to be associated with that either ......but like the old saying goes, there's nowt as queer as folk
And like others have alluded, Matthew Upson was alleged to be gay and I thought he was a terrific defender for us .....I have no issue with gay men playing for Blues if they possess real talent.......Thomas Hitzelberger is different (excuse the pun)....he was Villa, he's just opened up about his sexual preferences (isn't it odd that he waited until well into retirement....was he that ashamed ?) and had thousands of Blues fans knew back in the Brucey era that he was ....well, you know ! they would have absolutely ripped him apart ......So spare me the lecture about BCFC's current diversity programme
You obviously can't understand anything placed right in front of your liberal just left of Lenin and 'angelic' eyballs
You still evaded several questions I've put to you......typical !!!! :angry:
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Jan 13 2014, 12:02 PM
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OKAY, hands up, when it comes to gay men and football I’m straight out of the old school.
And the more I think about it the more I understand why someone like Thomas Hitzlsperger only chooses to come out of the closet after he’s hung up his boots for the last time.
Guys like myself are most probably the problem. Let’s be honest, football is full of cavemen just like me.
Even now, if I’m being really truthful, I find the subject a little bit awkward. As soon as I heard all the headlines about Hitzlsperger the other day I started to dread writing my column because I knew I was going to have to go into an area which I don’t find very comfortable.
Call me old fashioned but homosexuality is not something I tend to dwell on.
So I spent a long time on Wednesday night thinking about Hitzlsperger and trying to put myself in his shoes. I tried to figure out why, in this day and age, someone would want to keep something as important as his sexuality a secret from so many people for so long.
And I realised it’s probably because dressing rooms up and down the land are full of people like me.
We like to see ourselves as men’s men.
That’s the football way – its the way we were brought up. If you walk into our world then you had better bring a thick skin with you because part of the culture of the game is the banter between team-mates. And, believe me, it can be brutal.........
After all, it was 20-odd years ago that Justin Fashanu came to Scottish football, an openly gay man, and I don’t recall him being victimised or ridiculed.
In fact, my big brother played with him at Hearts and he tells me Fashanu had no problem getting on with the rest of the boys in that dressing room. And there were some big characters in there too, guys like my brother, Mo Johnston, John Robertson and Tosh McKinlay. They make me look like a modern man!
But there was nothing malicious and the big man gave as good as he got. And, together, they all got on with the business of trying to win football matches. That is the way it should be.
Look, sometimes football is not the most important thing in life. Even to a caveman like myself.
But even I like to think we’ve reached a stage where someone like Thomas Hitzlsperger can tell the world what he is without worrying that football will treat him like an outcast.
It wouldn’t happen in my dressing room.
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Jan 13 2014, 11:48 PM
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In amongst this 1930's themed rant, one bit particuarly amuses and interests me. What's your issue with gay people in the Armed Forces?
Bad for morale in an era of major conflict (which we haven't really witnessed in more than 60 years) ......just a view I strongly believe in.....I have no issue at all with women serving in the Military either but again would a force of women be viable if a major conflict such as WW2 were to envelope most of the planet And my rant is hardly symbolic of the 1930's .......Most of us are aware that the LBGT community have had to face prejudice and discrimination in the Armed Forces right up to the turn of this current Millenium.....in fact the biggest military power on the planet by far , The United Sates of America, did not repeal it's ban on gays in the Military until just over 2 years ago And there are more nations that still prohibit gay personnel in the Military than those who don't .....although it is fair to say the notion of tolerance is far more prevalent in the Western world and it's major powers ....e.g...USA, Canada, nearly all EU countries, Israel, Russia, China, Japan However today in most of the Islamic world homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the UAE, and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty. Seems there is still work to be done in the Muslim world ,eh ?? What's your take on that then ? Oh ! righteous one feed.back
My take on it is those countries that still base their laws on a bigoted and out dated book still hate most minorities whereas those that have moved to basing laws on morals and social ideals instead have a more open minded way of the world and are a lot more forward thinking instead of using the same laws that were around 1000 years ago.
So basically then you're denouncing both The Bible and The Koran Like Pooley, I presume you are an Atheist You campaign for gay rights and equality yet you seem to have a big issue with the religious beliefs and freedom of views of both Christians and Muslims.......which make up about roughly two thirds of the entire world population I see you co-hort Migster avoided the question about the Muslim death penalty issue OK, I didn't answer your question about Muslims. Most of the Muslim world denounces gays and punishable by death,but you cannot use the muslim belief and actions for you defence of your own beliefs unless you also at the same time believe in stoning people mainly women for adultery in 2008 a 13 yr old girl was buried up to her neck and stoned because she was ACCUSED of having an affair with 3 men.
So yes there is work to be done in the Muslim world, but then they have a lot more than just their attitudes and laws against gays to sort out before they can become a forward thinking 'world'. (I'm talking about extreme religion)
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Jan 15 2014, 03:53 AM
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but you cannot use the muslim belief and actions for you defence of your own beliefs unless you also at the same time believe in stoning people
I certainly don't use their beliefs to defend my own in any shape or form
However stoning some of the loony left liberals on here would have my support
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So yes there is work to be done in the Muslim world, but then they have a lot more than just their attitudes and laws against gays to sort out before they can become a forward thinking 'world'. (I'm talking about extreme religion)
I actually agree with you ..................Radical Islam and the young Jihadist recruits they openly brainwash could lead to serious civil disturbance in the UK in future decades .....not saying it will happen for sure, but I am 99 per cent convinced it will
But again, when freedom of religion and accepting the views, cultures and laws of any religious group is also a political correctness 'given' and you are a led by a Government that continually turns a blind eye to the problems created by massive immigration and opens it's arms with glee to 'spongers' from the old colonies then you open a can of worms when you campaign for equality for gays and lesbians ......as did the previous Labour Government I should add
Food for thought and all that
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