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| Why are there no Asians playing football? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2014, 01:56 AM (273 Views) | |
| Stretton | Jan 10 2014, 01:56 AM Post #1 |
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It's strange but with such a high population of Asians living in the city you'd think at least one would have made it in professional football. Any theories, thoughts, permutations? |
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| clapton bluenose | Jan 10 2014, 06:29 AM Post #2 |
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It is a strange one that no one seems able to answer with any authority. It's about time this was given some serious research on how football teams engage the Asian community. At blues for example the potential is enormous not just in Brum but also in Asia too. |
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| Migster | Jan 10 2014, 08:31 AM Post #3 |
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Bob Latchford
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Watch Clark Carlisle's documentary on racism in football. They're trying, but finding it hard to break through at the moment due to discrimination. |
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| R Kid | Jan 10 2014, 08:44 AM Post #4 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Would love to see an Asian lad who is brilliant, put himself out there to be signed up. If that were to happen then we'd see if it's a question of being racist or not. I think it's absolute nonsense to think a club wouldn't sign a 'brilliant' player because of his race. Maybe it's a question of them, either not being good enough or not being bothered about football themselves. |
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| elvis ok | Jan 10 2014, 10:08 AM Post #5 |
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Malcom Page
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I didn't see that doc like..but can remember Johnny Giles genuine statement of fact from when he was coach/manager at the baggies. Pre-Atkinson, he deplored that a community surrounded by an "ethnic" population had no imput or communication within that community. "Big Ron" felt the same, but he imported developing players with a different skin colour - not locals - and did nowt to recruit locals. The Baggies, like Everton, Blackburn etc have never recruited,trained or supported kids of a different colour like...during the 60 -70 -80 -90s etc Until the "Kick-it-Out" campaign was endorsed by the FA. Then they tried to conform, but at the Baggies and Bolton say....it was tokenism like ! Blues have a multi-cultural recruitmnent ethic, which outshines any other club in the Prem Down. It's been that way for years like. Blues MAY be the first club to develop an "Asian" kid...OK ? We have more than any other U13s It is more to do with culture changes than anything else, and on this like, Blues are ahead of the curve with kids. :applause: |
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| brad1875 | Jan 10 2014, 12:32 PM Post #6 |
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It's a good question. Asian's love their football just as much as everyone else, and I've always thought why have none of them ever really succeeded in our professional game. I guess the only people who could answer this question are Asians themselves I guess? Surely if a club sees a talented player, they're going to snap him up no matter what ethnicity he his? :unsure: |
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| R Kid | Jan 10 2014, 02:03 PM Post #7 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Exactly right. As I said previously. It's utter tosh to say a club wouldn't sign a lad, if he's good enough, cause he's Asian.complete rubbish to suggest otherwise. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jan 11 2014, 09:39 PM Post #8 |
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Jack Wiseman
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In countries like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangla Desh , cricket is by far and away a more popular sport especially for recreation and those nations have a history of producing some pretty good cricket sides at one time or another In the Muslim and Hindu worlds, football doesn't draw the same kind of interest or fervour that it does in Latin America and Europe.......The Asians love to watch it (and the Asian glory hunters of course will adopt an instant affiliation for the likes of Man Yoo, Chelsea and Arsenal etc etc ) but in most under developed nations in Asia, particularly the Middle East and SE Asia, the facilities for youth development are just not there How many Chinese, Japanese and South Korean footballers have made it in the PL ? only a handful, I can think of Ji Sung Park and Kawanga as the best examples ......The players from these nations tend to have small physiques, they lack real brute muscle although no denying their skill levels are outstanding.......this is why many African players come good in Europe because they have the power and muscle , great physiques to accompany their talent.....often self taught in areas of huge poverty Although the population centres (China obviously with more than one billion people now) are absolutely huge, the standards of the actual local leagues (both pro and amateur) are way below the standards of Europe , Africa and both South and North America ......The USA will become a major football force in the next 15-20 years because youngsters are now looking at the sport as real potential and a real avenue to pursue to achieve stardom as opposed to the more traditional baseball, grid football or basketball plus the youth development facilities now are fantastic particularly in the colleges.....Our version of football is attracting staggering numbers of young American kids to participate in although as an actual spectator sport, it remains well down the rankings As for the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants into the UK from Asia ? Again, I don't think the belief or the zest is there for a large number of Asian kids like it would be for a white kid or any kid from say Spain, France, Germany , Italy, Holland, Portugal etc ... who was encouraged from day one to play football ......Self determination and self belief are vital but it's fair to say that applies to a person of any ethnicity dreaming of becoming a footballer Britain used to be a giant in a variety of popular sports, even tennis and Olympic track events..............but in those sports as well as the world of our own national game, we've stagnated due to cutbacks in facilities, youth development (due to the frail economy), a tendency to defend first before attacking and the development of other technologies and passtimes.....a youngster today might be far more interested in computer games or graphics and Facebook than grabbing the ball for a kickabout down the park :kro: Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jan 12 2014, 12:18 AM.
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| Blue Raphealite | Jan 14 2014, 09:29 AM Post #9 |
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Good Lord, Please preserve us from idiots. Partisan mate, you are a TV watcher in India- even in Asia - RIGHT? Or do you take a hint that Cricket is really popular - as is Polo - in India ? Which Sport is followed by the media in India? Answer: The one they are good at !! Which Sport is the cheapest to participate in and follow ? Answer: - Football ! Which sport could produce a future generation of active, GLOBAL, ENTHUSIASTS and PARTICIPANTS ? Polo? Golf? Cricket? Tennis? You obviously have no knowledge of India, even China, mate. The basic rule is footie. ALL kids play it mate. That is where it starts. Not in middle-class or upper-class "hobbies and pastimes" experiences. Like Polo and Cricket--- --but in the streets Partisan. Like the barrios Like Rooney, who practised against rows of 'toilet doors' until it was dark and he was called in. Polo and Cricket players don't do that. Asian kids do..... **thumbup |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jan 14 2014, 09:52 AM Post #10 |
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You are the idiot.....Cricket and Polo both take a hell of a lot of practice ...and dedication What an absolutely nonsensical and senseless piece of rambling on .....do you even get the gist of the post ? Have you even been to India or Pakistan ? Their national football sides are way down the rankings......probably an English semi pro standard at the very best In both India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka......Cricket Rules......and more kids play cricket in the streets than football Now go and lie down............WTF is wrong with some people on this Forum ? .....talk about High horses :banghead: :break: Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jan 14 2014, 10:02 AM.
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| Blue Raphealite | Jan 14 2014, 11:01 AM Post #11 |
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Sad Man. I was brought up in India Mr Sad Man. The people that play Polo / Cricket etc are a few Castes above those that play footie---they have no access to those games mate.....Don't YOU UNDERSTAND ? I realise that your IGNORANCE and your TOTAL ARROGANCE can overpower people.. ....BUT...on this question I know and realise how really stupid and BLUFFING... you are..basically you know little and push your "Opinions" as facts. SAD MAN SAD MAN SAD MAN |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jan 14 2014, 07:33 PM Post #12 |
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Jack Wiseman
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As a recluse obviously :LMAO: :LMAO: Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jan 14 2014, 07:33 PM.
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| thetoot | Jan 14 2014, 08:09 PM Post #13 |
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I like a good argument :) |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jan 22 2014, 09:34 AM Post #14 |
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Joe Bradford
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I can only comment on the few Indians I know. They are mad for cricket but not football and they tell me that football is not a sport that is popular with them and that they are not that interested in playing it. |
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| Migster | Jan 22 2014, 09:36 AM Post #15 |
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True that. I think the lads in Clark Carlisle's documentary were Pakistani, I'll have to have another look. The stuff that the Polish fans were up to was just plain wrong. |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jan 22 2014, 09:38 AM Post #16 |
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Joe Bradford
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What poppycock. Indians all over the country are playing cricket. From the grounds of royal palaces to the run-down dirt tracks in the shanty towns. Cricket is all over place in India. All over the palce and played by all. Lord knows where you were in India but it sure ain't the smae place to all those places I have been to. Cricket rules over there...and by everyone regardless. |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jan 22 2014, 09:39 AM Post #17 |
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Joe Bradford
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No you don't. |
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| Lewis | Jan 26 2014, 09:49 AM Post #18 |
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For those who are interested in the subject of this thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asians_in_association_football I am old enough to remember the same sort of prejudices keeping Afro-Caribbean people out of football, I'm only talking about the mid 1960's in fact so not that long ago. Common talk about people from that background being too lazy to train, never will be any good at football etc etc. Now look at the game today. How peoples prejudices interfere with what should be normal human rights. The fact that there are Asian specific football teams in the UK today means that we are goign through the same scenario again. The fact that an Asian player has had to change his name because of racial prejudice and abuse tells it's own story as well. |
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| Steve | Jan 26 2014, 10:24 AM Post #19 |
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Malcom Page
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I think we'll start to see more breaking through in the next 10 years due to football being more accepted in the asian community - Previously people would come over from say, India, and encourage their kids to play Cricket or some other sport... They never had the football mad parents that I'm sure most current English footballers do. Part of the reason why a lot of asians support the big teams is because it's easier to go and support someone like Man U if you don't have anyone telling you otherwise. I'm willing to bet that the majority on here support Birmingham City because your dad, mum or other family member or family friend was a fan. Go watch Bend it like Beckham :P On skin colour, the Egyptians have done well to break into the mainstream and we'll definitely see more middle eastern players because of this... Chelsea are currently in talks to sign an Egyptian, who'd have thought? And we all know Bruce seems to love the countries players... There's also Michael Chopra who was the first player with Indian parents to score in the premier league. Not to mention a handful of Japanese, Korean, Chinese players breaking through. |
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