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Wigan Goal Against Fulham; suspect
Topic Started: Nov 3 2005, 11:39 PM (419 Views)
Blooboy
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the more i see the Wigan goal against Fulham on Saturday the more i feel their goalkeeper allowed it in..... i'd post the goal so you could all see.

i'm telling you there's some cheating going on.... it's no coincidence that we've had the most players sent off, for very lame things IMO

maybe Bruce has a point?
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blooboy
Nov 3 2005, 11:39 PM
the more i see the Wigan goal against Fulham on Saturday the more i feel their goalkeeper allowed it in..... i'd post the goal so you could all see.

i'm telling you there's some cheating going on.... it's no coincidence that we've had the most players sent off, for very lame things IMO

maybe Bruce has a point?

my god a believer at last.

have you noticed it's the wealthy or london clubs that get the disisions. ;)

crystal palace, 14 penalties in one season ;) name me another club to get that many. :ph43r:
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I've gone on about this on previous threads. To me it is so obvious that corruption exists in the Premiership - the surprising thing is that noone has been caught yet.

As I've said on other threads, it is a proven fact of life in Italian football. What makes people think it doesn't happen here? Do you really think the English are any more honest than the Italians???

And if you want proof of corruption in Italian football, read Joe McGinniss' book, "The Miracle of Castel di Sangro". A damn good read.
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mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world? lets see how perfect your world is when we are in the premiership? what amazes me is all the punters...i haven't heard one say that we are going to get relegated yet??? even the BCFC hate machine that's Lawro seems convinced that we will get out of it. To my mind Wigan and indeed West Ham are almost to far ahead already barring a catastrophe. those are just two of the teams that are suppose to be certs for relegation.
i urge anyone who hasn't seen the Wigan goal to look out for it, i also urge you to watch out for the other decisions that went against Fulham that day.(the ones that had Chris Coleman smiling in bemusement at the sheer blatent cheating)
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Nov 4 2005, 09:03 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blimey. That's the first time anyone here has accused me a living in a perfect world!

"Nutters" because -for example - they seem to believe that there was some kind of pro-Crystal Palace conspiracy last season :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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Nov 4 2005, 09:24 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 09:03 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blimey. That's the first time anyone here has accused me a living in a perfect world!

"Nutters" because -for example - they seem to believe that there was some kind of pro-Crystal Palace conspiracy last season :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

name me another team in the prem that has ever been given 14 penalties in a single season?

even if they were genuin you would not be given that many in a season why were they given?

when was the last time we were given a pen?

there is lots of instances of coruption and cheating in the prem you just have to watch with open eyes and not accept the consencus of messers linaker ans hanson.

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blueberry
Nov 4 2005, 07:08 AM
I've gone on about this on previous threads. To me it is so obvious that corruption exists in the Premiership - the surprising thing is that noone has been caught yet.

As I've said on other threads, it is a proven fact of life in Italian football. What makes people think it doesn't happen here? Do you really think the English are any more honest than the Italians???

And if you want proof of corruption in Italian football, read Joe McGinniss' book, "The Miracle of Castel di Sangro". A damn good read.
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Another good read on Italian football is "A year with Verona" by Tim Parks!
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dr.nick
Nov 4 2005, 09:34 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 09:24 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 09:03 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blimey. That's the first time anyone here has accused me a living in a perfect world!

"Nutters" because -for example - they seem to believe that there was some kind of pro-Crystal Palace conspiracy last season :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

name me another team in the prem that has ever been given 14 penalties in a single season?

even if they were genuin you would not be given that many in a season why were they given?

when was the last time we were given a pen?

there is lots of instances of coruption and cheating in the prem you just have to watch with open eyes and not accept the consencus of messers linaker ans hanson.

I think that Palace got a lot of penalities because AJ deceived a lot of defenders & referees with his pace.

Why on earth would there be a pro-Palace conspiracy ??????? Nutter. :blink:

Cheating in football is nearly always down to the players (diving, stealing yards at throw ins, etc, etc). Cheating has become accepted in football to a degree that would be unthinkable in cricket, golf, snooker, etc.

The referees are honest. Cr@p sometimes, but still honest.
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Penguin, no one is disputing your theory dude, but look at the evidence.... it's glaringly obvious that something is a miss in the Premiership. if you believe it's 11 v 11 your crazy.... why for example does a ref get suspended and then on his come back he gets to ref at Old Trafford??? i mean WTF is going on there. i reckon there is loads of corruption in the game, not just at Board level but right through the FA and beyond.
one day someone big is gonna be nailed, and i wanna be there to see it.
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I must admit that there are times when I do wonder
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Nov 4 2005, 09:57 AM
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mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 09:24 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 09:03 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blimey. That's the first time anyone here has accused me a living in a perfect world!

"Nutters" because -for example - they seem to believe that there was some kind of pro-Crystal Palace conspiracy last season :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

name me another team in the prem that has ever been given 14 penalties in a single season?

even if they were genuin you would not be given that many in a season why were they given?

when was the last time we were given a pen?

there is lots of instances of coruption and cheating in the prem you just have to watch with open eyes and not accept the consencus of messers linaker ans hanson.

I think that Palace got a lot of penalities because AJ deceived a lot of defenders & referees with his pace.

Why on earth would there be a pro-Palace conspiracy ??????? Nutter. :blink:

Cheating in football is nearly always down to the players (diving, stealing yards at throw ins, etc, etc). Cheating has become accepted in football to a degree that would be unthinkable in cricket, golf, snooker, etc.

The referees are honest. Cr@p sometimes, but still honest.

i dont think aj decived any referee if you can see that it's not a genuin pen but a dive then how come the ref cant?

what your saying is that most if not all refs are cr4p if thats the case why are they still in a job surly you cant be the only one who's seen it.

i think that maybe 5 out of the 14 penalties given for palace were genuin , now take into acount how many usualy are given to even man ure or chelsea you will see that this is a clear indication of favouritism.

palace play in london and are considered 5th biggist in london and have quite a bit of money.

and i'm afraid that saying all refs are honist is a little nieve, after all not everyone in the country is honist so there must be a few who are down right dishonist just on the law of adverages.
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dr.nick
Nov 4 2005, 11:18 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 09:57 AM
dr.nick
Nov 4 2005, 09:34 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 09:24 AM
blooboy
Nov 4 2005, 09:03 AM
mr penguin
Nov 4 2005, 07:13 AM
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nutters

why because it doesn't agree with your perfect world?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blimey. That's the first time anyone here has accused me a living in a perfect world!

"Nutters" because -for example - they seem to believe that there was some kind of pro-Crystal Palace conspiracy last season :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

name me another team in the prem that has ever been given 14 penalties in a single season?

even if they were genuin you would not be given that many in a season why were they given?

when was the last time we were given a pen?

there is lots of instances of coruption and cheating in the prem you just have to watch with open eyes and not accept the consencus of messers linaker ans hanson.

I think that Palace got a lot of penalities because AJ deceived a lot of defenders & referees with his pace.

Why on earth would there be a pro-Palace conspiracy ??????? Nutter. :blink:

Cheating in football is nearly always down to the players (diving, stealing yards at throw ins, etc, etc). Cheating has become accepted in football to a degree that would be unthinkable in cricket, golf, snooker, etc.

The referees are honest. Cr@p sometimes, but still honest.

i dont think aj decived any referee if you can see that it's not a genuin pen but a dive then how come the ref cant?

what your saying is that most if not all refs are cr4p if thats the case why are they still in a job surly you cant be the only one who's seen it.

i think that maybe 5 out of the 14 penalties given for palace were genuin , now take into acount how many usualy are given to even man ure or chelsea you will see that this is a clear indication of favouritism.

palace play in london and are considered 5th biggist in london and have quite a bit of money.

and i'm afraid that saying all refs are honist is a little nieve, after all not everyone in the country is honist so there must be a few who are down right dishonist just on the law of adverages.

maybe this is where TV replays should be bought in to stop any chaeting then?

this was suggested years ago. maybe it hasnt been introduced because the league can throw the games then. you decide! :blink:
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it does seem that it can work in rugby with no serious interuptions but not football.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

also the FA have always been against the use of video replays with no real sustatial reason to give for it.

it seems that if they did do this maybe the truth would be discovered as you say.
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Video is only used in certain situations in rugby, and even then only at the very highest level. Not everything can be referred. For example, the rugby league super league only have a video ref for televised games, and they only cover try scoring incidents. However, for games not on TV they have extra officials on the pitch covering those areas and the referee can consult them.
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Video is only used in certain situations in rugby, and even then only at the very highest level. Not everything can be referred. For example, the rugby league super league only have a video ref for televised games, and they only cover try scoring incidents. However, for games not on TV they have extra officials on the pitch covering those areas and the referee can consult them.

yes true . i do actualy think though that replays would benifit the game that or an independant official in the stands instructing the ref if something was suspect not in all casses but goal line clearences and penalties.

one thing i can say about aj is he went down very easy but 9 times out of 10 it was in the box he managed to stay on his feet outside the area. <_<
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wasnt there a case where the Italian FA suspended Piere Luigi Collina for making too many correct calls in matches? :blink:

WTF is the world coming to if a referee, and the best referee in the world bar none ( and that's the bottom line cause Fatlad said so!) gets suspended for making the right decision.

ill get my coat! :ph43r:
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wasnt there a case where the Italian FA suspended Piere Luigi Collina for making too many correct calls in matches? :blink:

WTF is the world coming to if a referee, and the best referee in the world bar none ( and that's the bottom line cause Fatlad said so!) gets suspended for making the right decision.

ill get my coat! :ph43r:

yes he was suspended but i could'nt find a reson as to why he was al i could find was that the italian FA punished him but for what i dont know.

realy strange that the supossedly best ref in the game was punished but no reason given. :blink:
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wasnt there a case where the Italian FA suspended Piere Luigi Collina for making too many correct calls in matches?  :blink:

WTF is the world coming to if a referee, and the best referee in the world bar none ( and that's the bottom line cause Fatlad said so!) gets suspended for making the right decision.

ill get my coat!  :ph43r:

yes he was suspended but i could'nt find a reson as to why he was al i could find was that the italian FA punished him but for what i dont know.

realy strange that the supossedly best ref in the game was punished but no reason given. :blink:

and that dr nick is why he has retired from the Italian Job ( no pun intended ) the JAp FA have alegedly offered him 3 million to ref next season. he apparently tuirned it down to do adverts for Vauxhall ! :D

ill get my coat! :P
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i dont think aj decived any referee if you can see that it's not a genuin pen but a dive then how come the ref cant?


Because I see it on tv in slow motion from half a dozen different angles.

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what your saying is that most if not all refs are cr4p if thats the case why are they still in a job


I think that most refs do a good job. Not many people want to do the job - funnily enough!

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palace play in london and are considered 5th biggist in london and have quite a bit of money


Even if that were true, why would it be a reason for referees to favour them ?

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and i'm afraid that saying all refs are honist is a little nieve, after all not everyone in the country is honist so there must be a few who are down right dishonist just on the law of adverages.


I suppose so, although I'm not sure that a downright dishonest person would want to become a referee particularly. I would expect it to appeal more to folk with a strong sense of fair play.
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i dont think aj decived any referee if you can see that it's not a genuin pen but a dive then how come the ref cant?


Because I see it on tv in slow motion from half a dozen different angles.

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what your saying is that most if not all refs are cr4p if thats the case why are they still in a job


I think that most refs do a good job. Not many people want to do the job - funnily enough!

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palace play in london and are considered 5th biggist in london and have quite a bit of money


Even if that were true, why would it be a reason for referees to favour them ?

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and i'm afraid that saying all refs are honist is a little nieve, after all not everyone in the country is honist so there must be a few who are down right dishonist just on the law of adverages.


I suppose so, although I'm not sure that a downright dishonest person would want to become a referee particularly. I would expect it to appeal more to folk with a strong sense of fair play.

yes you do but i ment when youn first see a player go down in the box(leave it proccy ;) ) then you decide strait away if it was or not , true , so you call it as you see it .

on most of the disisions concerning aj i was still convincet he dived in 3/4 of the pens he earnt.

there is a lot of money conected to refs and that may just convince the rather clourfull ones to do if you get my drift.

it is well known that arsenal, chelsea, and toterham, are favoured by the FA.

do you remember the venables saga? they were hit hard and so they should have but whta happened they were let off because they could've been relagated. :huh:

chelsea last season against us first game of the season scummage gets in a tangle with kezman, ref sees it and puts it in his report that there was nothing untoward,

result chelsea complain and scumage gets a ban. :huh:

i'm sure if you went deeper and spoke on afew more boards there fans would be able to come up with more than one instance of a london team getting preferential treatment over them.

some of the disisions i see refs make seem more like instructions than dishonisty to be honist. but it would'nt be against probability for a ref to put sertain bets on would it.
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well i am pretty sure that it's going on, but how could you prove it?? someone somewhere is probably compiling a whole list of stuff. i mean watching certain refs to see if they consistantly favour certain clubs.... i actually might start watching certain Mr Styles to see if he does favour certain teams.

anyone else wanna do a ref watch on here? we'll each have a ref and you have to report on him each week if there are certain decisions involved in a match that sway a result or send someone off?

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Blooboy,i`ve got that goal on my computer but i`m unsure how to host it for all to see,the keeper does make a very lethargic dive i notice!!! :rolleyes:
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,the keeper does make a very lethargic dive i notice!!! :rolleyes:

So the keeper is in league with the dodgy ref / the FA / MI5 / Al Queda ???? :unsure:
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I agree mainly with mr penguin here, we get the added bonus of slow mo and viewing the incident again and again from nearly every conceivable angle, the ref has one chance in real time (which is surprisingly quick) to get it right.

AJ won so many penalties because he dived so convincingly, 9/10 of the time he would wait for a player to get the ball and stick his foot out a little bit and the run ino that leg and fall over, im sure the refs mustve suspected something but to not give a penalty to him because of who he is would be equally unfair - refs stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Im not saying that cheating never goes on (penalties conceded at old trafford being one of my major gripes) but I just dont think it is THAT widespread or else something would surely have been done by now.

I think the best way forward is to allow managers to "call" around 3 decisions during a game, whereby when a decision is "called" the ref (or someone else) gets to look at the incident again on slow mo replay from other angles and then make a decision based on that evidence. Maybe we could have this on large screens like in the cricket so everyone goes "ooooooooooh" before the decision flashes up :lol:

This way it would ensure that play is fair and that the game isnt interrupted as much as including vid replays full on. Would also ensure that if any cheating was going on theyd have to push it past 3 vital decisions a match and that would easily highlight any corrupt refs
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