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| k-bek | Nov 14 2005, 10:33 PM Post #26 |
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What said was: "why should the rest of his career be blighted for 1 mistake". At the time he said he didn't know the girl's age. He would say that as it was his only defence. But the question still needs to be asked, why was she allowed to go clubbing when she was underage. While not making light of the incident, I don't think, in this situation, the full blame can be put onto the man, or woman as the case may be. If tyhe girl was old enough to consider herself mature enough to go clubbing all night, drinking and picking up middle aged men she should have been mature enough to suffer the consequences of her actions. She consented to having sex with rix knowing full well she wasn't old enough. I just don't think he should be punished further by being hounded out of a new job because of it. He served his time, the same amount of time as anyone else comitting this offence. It should be finished. |
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| Letsby Avenue | Nov 14 2005, 11:35 PM Post #27 |
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This is the actual law: ......Under the Sexual Offences Act 1956 it is an absolute offence in England and Wales for a man to have sex with a girl under the age of 13. If the girl is 13-16 it is still illegal, but other factors will be considered. This law applies to any male aged 14 or over. Prosecutions are rare unless exploitation is involved. This act does not refer to females having intercourse with males under 16, a charge of indecent assault might apply........ As has been stated earlier in the thread, it is not a case of paedophilia, PLEASE TAKE NOTE...BMVBlue, the above extract may make you less of an ignoramus. :lol: :lol: Rix's sentence was as a result not of indecent assault, not grooming, not being a paedophile, especially, not rape. In my opinion, however the ba*****d should still be in jail. Chelsea re-employed him, ( With Ken Bates' approval), so he has served his punishment, been exonerated by the employer and only left Chelsea through his own ambition. He has been publicly contrite and shown genuine remorse, although I think personally he should still be in jail, as it stands, I think he should be allowed this opportunity for a very public rehabilitation. :( |
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| Paul Tait's Tee-Shirt | Nov 14 2005, 11:42 PM Post #28 |
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Thank you for the vote of confidence ;) However, the Sexual offences Act 1956 is old law, it is now the Sexual offences Act 2003 that applies now. |
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| dr.nick | Nov 14 2005, 11:56 PM Post #29 |
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the thing we have to be carefull about are the main points to this crime. 1, did rix know that she was underage, he has said no. 2, did the girl look 15, it's a fine line that us men travel along, i have a 15 year old daughter and when i'm out with her i have had more than one funny look from women in particular. when she puts her make up on she could pass easily for 17 18 without a dout. i know this because my mates have told me to be weary of blokes because she does look older. none of us know the ins and outs of this. all we do know is he got coped and he served his time. not defending the bloke because if see a girl wearing make up and stuff i think what they hiding and he should of at least asked if he did and was lied to then it's the old man and young bit of stuff thing, the flattery factor as i call it. either way he was ****** stupid. |
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| k-bek | Nov 15 2005, 12:05 AM Post #30 |
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I'll ask the question again... If this girl was only 15 what were her parents doing while she was out clubbing all night, drinking and having sex with middle aged men? As dr.nick said, we do not know the whole story and we probably never will. Rix behaved like a tw@ and had paid the price. His family have suffered too. |
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| dr.nick | Nov 15 2005, 12:23 AM Post #31 |
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thats the thing. just what were her parents doing.? i can only speek as a father and say yeah right i'm gonna let my 15 year old out to a nightclub. |
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| Letsby Avenue | Nov 15 2005, 01:50 AM Post #32 |
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BMVBLUE. The 1956 SOA Act is still 95% of law. The relevance is even more acute because certain provisions have been tightened up. Your one-liner may have indicated to some that a new law meant changes, but it doesn't. You are either farting about with no substance to add to your inference, or you do not have the honesty to admit that you re wrong and in that, you might mislead people. This is tedious, but this is what you have pretended the Sexual Offences Act of 2003 overwrote of the 1956 Act. As you will see, it became more explicit. In 1956 Rix might still be in jail. Unfortunately post-2003 he isn't (not your point at all was it?...ignoramus :D ) WARNING: THIS IS TEDIOUS:WARNING Section :5 Act :Sexual Offences Act 1956 Subject :Defilement When a man has sexual intercourse with a girl who is under 13. OFFENCE REPLACED BY SEXUAL OFFENCES ACT 2003, unless crime committed before 1st May 2004 Section :74 Act :Sexual Offences Act 2003 Subject :Definition Of Consent A person consents if he agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice.Defence to Consent: An honest belief (but not necessarily a reasonable belief) that the victim was consenting will negate the mens rea of the defendant.R v Williams (1923)A choirmaster from a local church gave singing lessons to a girl of 16 years of age. He had sexual intercourse with her under the pretence that her breathing was not quite right and that he had to perform an operation to enable her to produce her voice properly. The girl submitted to what was done. She believed him that she was being medically and surgically treated who would produce an air passage.Held: The girl had consented to surgical operation not sexual intercourse Section :25 Sub-Section :1-6 Act :Sexual Offences Act 2003 Subject :Sexual Activity With A Child Family Member (1) A person (A) commits an offence if- (a) he intentionally touches another person (....b...), (.B....) the touching is sexual, the relation of A to B is within section 27,(family) (d) A knows or could reasonably be expected to know that his relation to B is of a description falling within that section, and (e) either- (i) B is under 18 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 18 or over, or (ii) B is under 13. (2) Where in proceedings for an offence under this section it is proved that the other person was under 18, the defendant is to be taken not to have reasonably believed that that person was 18 or over unless sufficient evidence is adduced to raise an issue as to whether he reasonably believed it. . . . (5) Unless ……, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable- (a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both(....b...) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years. Who'd be a lawyer..or work in their offices eh? :D |
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| jpkengland | Nov 15 2005, 11:21 AM Post #33 |
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Could some people please get off their high-horses. He did the crime, he did the time. Debt to society paid. |
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