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Bruce
Topic Started: Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM (902 Views)
Jolly Jack
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From where I was sitting at the Stadium of Light, that was a woefull and clueless performance. There is only one way to stop us sliding back into our traditional yo-yo club role - and that is to wake up and realise that Bruce, isn't a top manager.



Go! In the name of Ken Wheldon go, and get a decent manager in to do the job properly.







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Darth Blue Nose
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Isn't a top manager? So how did he manage to attract the players he has, Forsell, Pandiani, Heskey, Dunn, Upson, etc.

Obviously these individuals think he is a top manager.

I think the question open for debate is can Steve Bruce keep us in the premiership and take us forward, not is he a top manager, IMO he can.

If i am wrong (which I hope I'm not) then and only then is it time for a change. And I want to stress, this does not mean IMO if after we are relegated, if needed before hand the board must act, I don't, as any fan does'nt want to be sitting in the middle of freezing december against Preston again!!

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Jolly Jack
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Most of those players you listed were frozen out by their clubs and needed a second chance. Pennant is another big example. Offering big money to the waifs and strays of football isn't great management.

Never forget he only got promotion with someone else's team......
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proccy_blues
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any new ideas? no. anything that hasnt been said the past couple of months? no. any positive points at all? no. worthwhile thread? no. must try harder... ;)
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Darth Blue Nose
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Nov 28 2005, 08:42 PM
any new ideas? no. anything that hasnt been said the past couple of months? no. any positive points at all? no. worthwhile thread? no. must try harder... ;)

Have to kind of agree.

KRO
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baron von bluenose
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there's allways going to be this argument "bruce out" but its not going to change till he''s had enough cause they wont pay him off and most clubs wont stump up the compensation for him.why did you go to sunderland if you dont like the manager and you think the team are rejects,i will tell you why your in denial you just cant be possitive get behind the club players manager tea boy whatever,we need to be possitive.
tbh if we do go down and steve walks or gets the push and they do appoint tf well its where we will be for a while do you really want championship footy i dont and bruce can keep us up,but if the fans turn its certain doom.were all in this together one for all and all for one.
i dare say when the people who matter know where we will be next year they will look again and maybe a change will occur,but until then you do your bit and i will do mine and how about you do yours
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Jolly Jack
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Come on Mr P, I've been banging this particular drum for over 2 years now. You even replied to my "mistake to sack trev?" thread all those years ago. It may not be new, but it needs to be said. Bruce isn't up to the job.
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Ian
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Jolly Jack
Nov 28 2005, 09:24 PM
Most of those players you listed were frozen out by their clubs and needed a second chance. Pennant is another big example. Offering big money to the waifs and strays of football isn't great management.

Never forget he only got promotion with someone else's team......

Good point mate we havent attracted any players other than those with little or no options on cracking wages. The point is though alot of people dont want him but the board wont sack him so were stuck. Me though, id do it for em it would be the easiest sacking in the world, so many points to chose from. He is showing no progression what so ever and for business people who have always backed winners it strikes me as strange that they continue to let him mike basset manage our team and suck the share price into oblivion. Well done Jack nice to see some reality instead of all the usual blame everyone but the man who has the power to change everything because he bought us up ..zz.. . Where the only team who accepts defeat and never expects to improve it next game.
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Ian
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dave c/brom
Nov 28 2005, 09:50 PM
there's allways going to be this argument "bruce out" but its not going to change till he''s had enough cause they wont pay him off and most clubs wont stump up the compensation for him.why did you go to sunderland if you dont like the manager and you think the team are rejects,i will tell you why your in denial you just cant be possitive get behind the club players manager tea boy whatever,we need to be possitive.
tbh if we do go down and steve walks or gets the push and they do appoint tf well its where we will be for a while do you really want championship footy i dont and bruce can keep us up,but if the fans turn its certain doom.were all in this together one for all and all for one.
i dare say when the people who matter know where we will be next year they will look again and maybe a change will occur,but until then you do your bit and i will do mine and how about you do yours

I bet they were saying that at the hawthornes with Megson, funny bet there glad they took the gamble with Robbo ;)
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dave c/brom
Nov 28 2005, 08:50 PM
why did you go to sunderland if you dont like the manager and you think the team are rejects

Because I've been a Bluenose since Trev made that debut away to Cardiff in 1970. I support the club, not the manager or even the current first XI. (me and my mate once spent the whole of an away game under Pendry with our backs to the pitch in protest at the sorry excuses for footballers in 1986).
I went in the hope of seeing something better like I did day-in-day out under MacKay and MacCari.
Remember the motto "Forward", we shouldn't be scared of getting rid....
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bluen05e
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Jolly Jack
Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM
LIKE TREVOR

:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:

PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T MEAN FRANCIS?

Bruce has done more here then he did, you want blues to go forward they need money, which the board won't spend incase we are relegated. Please use your brain!
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Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM


LIKE TREVOR

You don't give up do you! :D

He had his chance and failed lets just drop it!! I think you may need therapy for your obsession :lol: :P
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bluen05e
Nov 28 2005, 09:00 PM
Jolly Jack
Nov 28 2005, 08:12 PM
LIKE TREVOR

:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:

PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T MEAN FRANCIS?

Bruce has done more here then he did, you want blues to go forward they need money, which the board won't spend incase we are relegated. Please use your brain!

your having a laugh...Bruce done more than Trevor, Get a grip!! Bruce ain't fit enough to lick Trevors Boots.
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i just cant be @rsed arguing all this **** again jack, you know my feelings and i'm so fed up of it...lets leave the decision to those who's job it is to take it because they are in the best position to judge. they've succeeded beyond most of our wildest dreams and i for one trust them with the stewardship of the club - there's no reason not to, they've done everything right more or less since they walked in to a hulking wreck of a club...if they wanna keep him as hard-nosed businessmen, or go with your view and sack him, so be it - bcfc will still be here for us all, and we'll support the new guy, but lets just leave it alone now, eh? picking scabs leaves scars mate, ask dr nick!!!

this was the post i never intended to make, ffs........ :rolleyes:
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i agree Proccy, well thought out post. I'm as upset as the next supporter but if the board feel Steve Bruce can get us out of it then so be it..
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blooboy
Nov 28 2005, 10:26 PM
i agree Proccy, well thought out post. I'm as upset as the next supporter but if the board feel Steve Bruce can get us out of it then so be it..

cheers blooboy, we finally agree on something then, lol :rolleyes:
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mccp
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Did you all get your Christmas Cards from Blues ??? :D

Its good.....thanks Blues.

With them is the catalogue for the shop, and various promotions. When I was reading it, the penny dropped.

This is why they are not sacking Steve before Christmas (or ever they claimed).
You can't send out thousands upon thousands of catalogues, with Steve promoting things, and sack him at the same time!!!
Doesn't make commercial sense.

I'm inclining to the alternative theory No: 26A.

That he has agreed, like a gent, to go.
Has set a rather arbitary number of points to get, and will use the failure to achieve that, as a public excuse to resign.

QED:

Steve a good guy. The "supportive" board, also good guys.
Board roll out plan B.

New Manager in January.


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Proccy
Nov 28 2005, 10:31 PM
blooboy
Nov 28 2005, 10:26 PM
i agree Proccy, well thought out post.  I'm as upset as the next supporter but if the board feel Steve Bruce can get us out of it then so be it..

cheers blooboy, we finally agree on something then, lol :rolleyes:

lol, well it is nearly the season of good will to all men :lol:

yes i did get my card MCCP....i have them all, i saved them all, told ya i'm Nuts about the Blues i'm sentimental like that..... **thumbup

might scan them and post them one day so you can all have a chuckle.
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blooboy
Nov 28 2005, 10:48 PM
Proccy
Nov 28 2005, 10:31 PM
blooboy
Nov 28 2005, 10:26 PM
i agree Proccy, well thought out post.   I'm as upset as the next supporter but if the board feel Steve Bruce can get us out of it then so be it..

cheers blooboy, we finally agree on something then, lol :rolleyes:

lol, well it is nearly the season of good will to all men :lol:


ahh its making me feel all warm and fuzzy you guys getting on!! lets all sing a song :D
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got mine too!
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Bluebird
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I watched Phil Brown on Goals On Sunday....
And he had nothing but praise for Sam Allardyce....
But Phil made the following statement:
"Coaches are responsible for performance....
Managers are responsible for results!"

Truth is though that Managers do appoint the coaches....
So it all does eventually fall in the Manager's lap....
But while it's happening, you now know where to point the finger!
If we win by playing rubbish - Bouquet for Bruce; Taxi for Black!
If we win by playing great - Bouquets all 'round!
If we lose by playing great - Taxi for Bruce; Bouquet for Black!
But if we lose by playing rubbish....
It will be Taxi for Bruce and Taxi for Black....
In fact if it's Taxis for them two then all the rest of the staff will go too....
In which case we'll need a Coach!!! :D
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I honestly thought after the Everton home defeat that SB would get the sack but the board (well at least the Golds and Ms Brady) came out in unified support and even made the strangest of statements that Bruce would still be in the hot seat even if we went down

I can understand older Blues fans saying 'Forward' (the motto) is the way to go but constantly changing managers has gotten us nowhere in 20 odd years

Yes,you could argue that it was Trevor Francis's team that got us promoted but having said that Trev had THREE bites at the Play Offs and failed.......in fairness to SB he took us from 15th in the Nationwide all the way to the 'promised land' at the first attempt...he was a SUCCESS

In our 1st season he kept us up...in todays's money mad football market that was a SUCCESS ....we consolidated the 2nd year by finishing a nice placed 10th ...again SUCCESS....last season,injuries cost us dear but we were still safe in mid table by April,write that one off

It is all about SUCCESS at the end of the day ...But TBPH I really view SUCCESS as trophies in the Cabinet and European football
I fully expect Bruce to deliver us our 1st silverware in 40 odd years in the next season and a half.....if he doesn't then I agree someone else should be given the job

Perhaps Brucey has taken us as far as he can...Perhaps in 2 years we will win the Premier League Title and the FA Cup...who knows ?? ....give the guy and the team a chance at least

I disagree with these so called 'Noses' who say he's taken us nowhere....this season is only a third of the way gone so just NOT fair.....we are in the Premier League with the best sqaud (on paper anyway) we've had in 32 years.....I agree his tactics baffle me sometimes but give Mr Bruce some credit at least FFS..... :blink:

The post of Birmingham City FC manager is one of the toughest jobs around....Why?? ....because we are by far,the BIGGEST 'Under Achievers' in England and we desperately need some silverware,we have had to wait longer than most others....maybe that's why most of us "MOAN"

KRO

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How on earth did Bruce get us promoted with Trev's team?

He got rid of all of the dead wood. and brought in players such as Devs, Stern, Vickers etc. who all helped us up. He was pivotol in getting s promoted with his OWN team!
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Nov 29 2005, 01:51 PM
How on earth did Bruce get us promoted with Trev's team?

He got rid of all of the dead wood. and brought in players such as Devs, Stern, Vickers etc. who all helped us up. He was pivotol in getting s promoted with his OWN team!

Oh give us a break matey

The G Man,Kenna,O Connor,Purse,Hughes,Lazza,Magic Johnson,Mccarthy,Sonner,Gill,Holdsworth all played their part in our promotion year and they were ALL Trevor Francis imports
Benno was a Barry Fry signing
And AJ had come through the youth ranks

There's no way it was SB's side although at this point in time, only Stanley remains from the TF era

KRO
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Nov 30 2005, 06:43 AM
charliedontsurf
Nov 29 2005, 01:51 PM
How on earth did Bruce get us promoted with Trev's team?

He got rid of all of the dead wood. and brought in players such as Devs, Stern, Vickers etc. who all helped us up. He was pivotol in getting s promoted with his OWN team!

Oh give us a break matey

The G Man,Kenna,O Connor,Purse,Hughes,Lazza,Magic Johnson,Mccarthy,Sonner,Gill,Holdsworth all played their part in our promotion year and they were ALL Trevor Francis imports
Benno was a Barry Fry signing
And AJ had come through the youth ranks

There's no way it was SB's side although at this point in time, only Stanley remains from the TF era

KRO

so if it was tf's team what you say proves sb is the better manager. tf couldnt get us to play off final, let alone the prem with these players, yet sb did it first go.....
perhaps some of the sb doubters should consider this when they say bring tf back...crazy idea imo..... ;)
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