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Substitutions; cost us the game
Topic Started: Dec 6 2005, 09:04 AM (391 Views)
hughesie
Ian Bennett
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i know they were forced on us, but imo they were the wrong ones to make and here is why:

mario for stan - pennant plays best with an attacking full back and not a centre back behind him. he should have moved dj to full back and brought on butt then. saying that thought stan was man of the match

izzett for butt - one attacking midfielder for a defensive one. butt and johnno looked lost for the last 20 mins and could not get there foot on the ball and were chasing shadows. yes we were one nil up, but we should not have changed the structure of th team to allow for this. because he brought on butt it meant that if things turned bad, like they did we had no way of changing it around as only had on sub left to choose either kilkenny or jarosik for. he shoull have brought on kilkenny or jarosik, replace like for like, and then have the option of bringing on either butt to shore it up or jaroisk to attack and get a winner.

taylor - kilkenny - another forced substitution, and on this occaision the right one, however, the team never used him.

having said that for the last half an hour we looked balanced and played some good football, it is just a shame that it took the players 30 minutes longer than it should have because of the wrong players brought on to replace the injured players. sometimes, like for like is the best way forward, but is something fails to do every time!!
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proccy_blues
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come on hughsie, pack it in - i'm having to agree with you again. i was completely mystified by the subs, i got the impression he panicked. i thought dj right back, push along the line with jp..... stan wtf** ???
butt i didnt understand at all, i thought jarosik, and kilkenny was probably right because we needed to push on... i dunno, its all gone to **** :blink:
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The subs made the match the catastrophy it was but I must have been watching a different match to you Hughsie, we at no time after the subs looked like playing good football!
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Davejh
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Keep Right On !!!!
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Sorry But I have to disagree with your MOTM..it was Dunny by a long shot
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hughesie
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Davejh
Dec 6 2005, 09:12 AM
Sorry But I have to disagree with your MOTM..it was Dunny by a long shot

you are probably right
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Davejh
Dec 6 2005, 09:12 AM
Sorry But I have to disagree with your MOTM..it was Dunny by a long shot

I agree with you there Dave, but even Dunny got the Blues towards the end.

Where I sat I could see the work Dunn put in, He really looked like he wanted the win. Him and Heskey.
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Davejh
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He got the blues cos he was the only one fighting for a win, Wouldn't you...I know I would :(
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proccy_blues
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hughesie
Dec 6 2005, 09:13 AM
Davejh
Dec 6 2005, 09:12 AM
Sorry But I have to disagree with your MOTM..it was Dunny by a long shot

you are probably right

i'd agree with dunny - he showed for the ball, he wanted to take players on, he even gee'd the crowd up from time to time, as well as taking the pish out of the lino when his flag broke! ;)
glad he's back, we need some big performances from him now **thumbup
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tim
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SB's Starting line up's (playing players out of position) and Substitutions have been an issue all season for me.

There is not a match yet, where I have not been mystified by a team selection or Substitution.

SB lost it a while ago IMO.
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Bookemdanno
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hughesie
Dec 6 2005, 09:04 AM
i know they were forced on us, but imo they were the wrong ones to make and here is why:

mario for stan - pennant plays best with an attacking full back and not a centre back behind him. he should have moved dj to full back and brought on butt then. saying that thought stan was man of the match

izzett for butt - one attacking midfielder for a defensive one. butt and johnno looked lost for the last 20 mins and could not get there foot on the ball and were chasing shadows. yes we were one nil up, but we should not have changed the structure of th team to allow for this. because he brought on butt it meant that if things turned bad, like they did we had no way of changing it around as only had on sub left to choose either kilkenny or jarosik for. he shoull have brought on kilkenny or jarosik, replace like for like, and then have the option of bringing on either butt to shore it up or jaroisk to attack and get a winner.

taylor - kilkenny - another forced substitution, and on this occaision the right one, however, the team never used him.

having said that for the last half an hour we looked balanced and played some good football, it is just a shame that it took the players 30 minutes longer than it should have because of the wrong players brought on to replace the injured players. sometimes, like for like is the best way forward, but is something fails to do every time!!

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Ok they were forced but where was the logic? Was he trying to be too clever? Stan did his best for sometime to be honest! But still.....we were saying the same thing about the changes.

Mario goes down, so go to second choice right back ' DJ'. Fill midfield spot with Kilkenny. Thats 2 positions changed! ..and you have a midfield that has played partnership that has played together the last few premisership matches with reasonable success.

Instead, oh lets shift the whole back line across (changing 4 positions), taking the attacking option of an overlapping rightback away. Allowing Pennant to be man-marked by Konchesky and Etherington, the space to attack rather than back-track with an up and down rightback.

Izzet goes down, fine bring Butt on as a defensive midfielder BUT NOT when DJ is in there. Where IS the playmaker in the middle? Butt and DJ can't play in the middle together. How many times this season have we seen it Bruce? Kilkenny and Butt, Kilkenny and DJ, Izzet and Kilkenny, Izzet and Butt. Not what you chose to do last night!

We struggled in the spell between Izzet going off and half time, for a reason Bruce. We couldn't control and dictate a game with the ball due to 2 defensive midfielders!

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Bookemdanno
Dec 6 2005, 11:29 AM
hughesie
Dec 6 2005, 09:04 AM
i know they were forced on us, but imo they were the wrong ones to make and here is why:

mario for stan - pennant plays best with an attacking full back and not a centre back behind him. he should have moved dj to full back and brought on butt then. saying that thought stan was man of the match

izzett for butt - one attacking midfielder for a defensive one. butt and johnno looked lost for the last 20 mins and could not get there foot on the ball and were chasing shadows. yes we were one nil up, but we should not have changed the structure of th team to allow for this. because he brought on butt it meant that if things turned bad, like they did we had no way of changing it around as only had on sub left to choose either kilkenny or jarosik for. he shoull have brought on kilkenny or jarosik, replace like for like, and then have the option of bringing on either butt to shore it up or jaroisk to attack and get a winner.

taylor - kilkenny - another forced substitution, and on this occaision the right one, however, the team never used him.

having said that for the last half an hour we looked balanced and played some good football, it is just a shame that it took the players 30 minutes longer than it should have because of the wrong players brought on to replace the injured players. sometimes, like for like is the best way forward, but is something fails to do every time!!

**thumbup

Ok they were forced but where was the logic? Was he trying to be too clever? Stan did his best for sometime to be honest! But still.....we were saying the same thing about the changes.

Mario goes down, so go to second choice right back ' DJ'. Fill midfield spot with Kilkenny. Thats 2 positions changed! ..and you have a midfield that has played partnership that has played together the last few premisership matches with reasonable success.

Instead, oh lets shift the whole back line across (changing 4 positions), taking the attacking option of an overlapping rightback away. Allowing Pennant to be man-marked by Konchesky and Etherington, the space to attack rather than back-track with an up and down rightback.

Izzet goes down, fine bring Butt on as a defensive midfielder BUT NOT when DJ is in there. Where IS the playmaker in the middle? Butt and DJ can't play in the middle together. How many times this season have we seen it Bruce? Kilkenny and Butt, Kilkenny and DJ, Izzet and Kilkenny, Izzet and Butt. Not what you chose to do last night!

We struggled in the spell between Izzet going off and half time, for a reason Bruce. We couldn't control and dictate a game with the ball due to 2 defensive midfielders!


Very well put.

Why can't Bruce see it????

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Bluebird
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This was discussed last night at length....
Those of you who logged on today have missed it because the topics seem to disappear so quickly off the front page....
But I sense that this Forum is gradually returning to talking sense and being reclaimed by those who think rationally rather than deliver one liners!

Late Night Post

Oh and BTW hughesie....
I couldn't agree more....
The starting line up lacked balance and the substitutions lacked foresight (not Forsell either)....
The three that should have eventually been playing were Stan, Kilkenny and Jarosik....
No way should Butt have been on that pitch....
But SB never gave hinself the option by bringing him on at the wrong time....
Is it me?
We are just mug punters who know nothing....
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Forssell
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was jarosick on the bench last night, i would have rather him come on than butt, i dont know why he didnt start roy carroll isnt the best goal keeper and with his skill from long range shots why not play him
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i really want to post something inspiring,but sadly i cannot relate to many of the players currently wearing royal blue,no heart underworked and overpaid.Would love to see prozone produce stats for players being stood still.no shape,no movement we break at snail speed apart from the move for heskeys disallowed effort.we play the way we play,its not changed and its not working so i dont think poor subs was the problem....imo
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I can understand putting Butt on at some point, you need a defensive midfielder with Gray and Pennant, playing, but not when your other central midfielder is defensive too, as DJ was at the time. Kilkenny would have IMO been more appropriate, as past history has shown, Butt and DJ don't play well together (both too defensive), yet Kilkenny and DJ stood out against Liverpool at home.
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Grayday
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butt will cost bruce his job

he might as well put nico upfront and spink alongside him
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txblues
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Dec 6 2005, 09:08 AM
come on hughsie, pack it in - i'm having to agree with you again. i was completely mystified by the subs, i got the impression he panicked. i thought dj right back, push along the line with jp..... stan wtf** ???
butt i didnt understand at all, i thought jarosik, and kilkenny was probably right because we needed to push on... i dunno, its all gone to **** :blink:

And who chose the subs and whose fault is it that we lost then?
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the whole team needs to show passion and commitment to the cause!! if they show this, i can guarentee fans will get behind them, did you hear the roars when there was a great challenge, more of this will endear themselves to the fans in the ground which will therefore build the atmosphere immensely. only two definates and two others wanted that win last night the two definates were Dunny and Heskey and the two others were Vaesen and Lazaridis!
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hughesie
Dec 6 2005, 09:04 AM
i know they were forced on us, but imo they were the wrong ones to make and here is why:

mario for stan - pennant plays best with an attacking full back and not a centre back behind him. he should have moved dj to full back and brought on butt then. saying that thought stan was man of the match

izzett for butt - one attacking midfielder for a defensive one. butt and johnno looked lost for the last 20 mins and could not get there foot on the ball and were chasing shadows. yes we were one nil up, but we should not have changed the structure of th team to allow for this. because he brought on butt it meant that if things turned bad, like they did we had no way of changing it around as only had on sub left to choose either kilkenny or jarosik for. he shoull have brought on kilkenny or jarosik, replace like for like, and then have the option of bringing on either butt to shore it up or jaroisk to attack and get a winner.

taylor - kilkenny - another forced substitution, and on this occaision the right one, however, the team never used him.

having said that for the last half an hour we looked balanced and played some good football, it is just a shame that it took the players 30 minutes longer than it should have because of the wrong players brought on to replace the injured players. sometimes, like for like is the best way forward, but is something fails to do every time!!

Man of the Match - you're aving a larf.

Don't let sentiment take over.

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