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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 7 2005, 04:05 PM (904 Views) | |
| Hooby Groovy | Dec 7 2005, 04:05 PM Post #1 |
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I honestly felt that the only positive thing to come from such a bad run of defeats was the inevitable sacking of Steve Bruce Having just read David Sullivan's comments in tonights Mail I have to say that I am completely at a loss. Steve Bruce has been absolutely mind blowingly incompetent for 2 years now, to say that sacking him would be a "knee-jerk reaction" is frankly ludicrous. If "being loyal" as Sullivan suggests is watching my team be relegated, then so be it. But I will not be a sap to the boards failing to remove a Manager that is grossly incompetent. I, along with others, will now campaign to get Bruce removed. The movement starts now. We will try and do so without distraction to the players, but we will make our voices known BRUCE OUT! |
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| Macca_sotv | Dec 7 2005, 04:07 PM Post #2 |
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Frank Worthington
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I didnt want him to go last week but losing to west ham AT HOME surely they should sack him ive had enough |
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| Blacksmith | Dec 7 2005, 04:10 PM Post #3 |
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I, along with others, will now campaign to get Bruce removed. The movement starts now. We will try and do so without distraction to the players, but we will make our voices known And will you do that before or during the match? :angry: It's just what we don't need at the moment. What we do need is everybody getting behind the team and trying to give them confidence. Anything that undermines that at the moment would be extremely counter-productive. |
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| patti03 | Dec 7 2005, 04:13 PM Post #4 |
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I don't see how you can campaign, and not affect the players? Two years ago, most of our players would have run through brick walls for Steve. I don't see that now. And I don't think it's money and comfort zone etc. I personally think it was around the time that Steve was humming and hawing about the Newcastle option. I think that took a lot of the dressing room "belief" away. And the newer players have come into a cooler environment as regards the "awe" Steve once had. How he regains that earlier level of trust and support for him, is beyond me, frankly. He seems to be able to do it with the board, but he is no longer getting that extra yard out of the players. . |
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| jassyblue80 | Dec 7 2005, 04:15 PM Post #5 |
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Trevor Francis
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very true the baggies fans slagged there own manager etc and then realised that he was staying so got behind the team... the people on the pitch! they are the ones who did the business! no matter what you think of Bruce you should still get behind the team, even if Bruce went (which I don't think will help matters) you would not see a complete overall of players? come on when we are down that’s when we (fans) are most needed |
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| turunc | Dec 7 2005, 04:16 PM Post #6 |
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Frank Worthington
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He should have been let go at the end of November to allow a new manager time to come in work with the players and decide what to spend the limited transfer kitty on! At the time there were many posters saying how Bruce would turn it around and how we would beat teams in the forth coming fixtures, not so many people shouting their support now. This situation has been coming since the start of the season, possibly even before that as Bruce continues to show a level of incompetency unknown before concerning tatics and players playing in unfamiliar roles. To say removing Bruce would be a knee jerk reaction is frankly taking the p155 they obviously do not listen to their fans, however as more fans start to stay away from the home games maybe they will, if Blues going down isn't a big enough concern to them maybe losing revenue from fed up fans, some who also have a distance to travel to get to games and not in a top of the range motors either might have some impact. My only concern now with Bruce being sacked is anyone coming in will be to late to really get to know the players and as such any opportunity to strengthen weak areas although that seems to be most of the team at the minute might be lost. Sorry to be so gloomy but I have been saying for weeks now that we are going to get relegated, I am amazed some people are only just starting to worry!!! |
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| Hooby Groovy | Dec 7 2005, 04:17 PM Post #7 |
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Frank Worthington
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How the heck could anything anyone does make the players worse? FFS they have only got 1 point from 7 home games :huh: We will be campaigning outside the FRONT of the Kop reception AFTER the game in a dignified manner calling for the resignation of Bruce, thats all Anyone that wants to come is welcome, banners and placards welcome - the press will be there, so make sure you've combed your hair ;) |
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| jassyblue80 | Dec 7 2005, 04:21 PM Post #8 |
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if we win do you think many will turn up?? i don't like this type of thing, there is no such thing as dignity in calling for some one to lose their job in any circumstances... it always gets messy |
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| turunc | Dec 7 2005, 04:28 PM Post #9 |
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Frank Worthington
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Do you honestly think were going to win Jassy???? Apart from foolham being our bogey team since we came into the Prem, we hardly look rock solid at the back and frankly backside and banjo come to mind as phrases mentioned in same sentence as our strikers!! As for the midfield well most of them will be suffering from a cricked kneck within ten minutes of the match, due to watching Bruces secret plan the long ball whizzing over their heads (ssshhhhhh don't say it to loud their might be a foolham fan on the site and he'll tell coleman). Joking aside, if were lucky I can see us getting one maybe two points before Christmas, lets see how gung ho the support Brucie brigade are then!! BTW I do want us to win I really do I'm just being realistic and on recent performances NUFC aside I cannot see it happening. |
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| sam jordan | Dec 7 2005, 04:28 PM Post #10 |
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What short memories some of us have, his incompetence got us promoted, he maintained our status as premiership team, he has helped bring talent to blues. We need stability, like sullivan states if we replaced him now we would more than likely go down, so lets take the chance, show loyalty, keep the players, get them to dig us out of !"£$. Causing unrest by campaigning for bruce out WILL distract the club/players and fans from the only thing that matters this yr! survival. I for one, will not campaign against Bruce and will do all I can to keep the faith this season Look at the votes in poll, majority want to keep bruce, democracy rules, and more importantly Sullivan rules, his club his say, and he wants bruce to stay! |
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| bcfcno1fan | Dec 7 2005, 04:29 PM Post #11 |
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At the end of the day, we all know that Brucie wont get sacked, the Board like him too much and want him to stay. Plus, who could be bring in, we fell apart between the francis and bruce era with Mick Mills in charge. Now its the case of the youngsters like Kilkenny and DJ who love this club like us lot. Hopefully we will turn this around and get sum points! But im afraid if we dont win on Saturday there aint gunna be no-one in the ground. If the board are reading this, dont put the Man U prices up for the cup cos no-one will come and watch us get battered by Man U Reserves for 45 quid |
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| Hooby Groovy | Dec 7 2005, 04:45 PM Post #12 |
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Frank Worthington
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Answers to a few points: 1.if we win do you think many will turn up? i don't like this type of thing, there is no such thing as dignity in calling for some one to lose their job in any circumstances... it always gets messy IF we win, then less than if we lose! But if we lose then I expect several hundred campaigning. Lets hope I'm the only one there ;) 2. What short memories some of us have, his incompetence got us promoted, he maintained our status as premiership team, he has helped bring talent to blues. We need stability, like sullivan states if we replaced him now we would more than likely go down, so lets take the chance, show loyalty, keep the players, get them to dig us out of !"£$. I've not got a short memory at all, yes he got us promoted and did a fantastic job for 2 years. Unfortunately the wheels came off the wagon some time ago, and he has lacked the ability to change things. Lets be honest, this crisis has not suddenly transpired out of the etha, many of us have seen it coming for some time We've 2 choices, stick with Bruce and probably go down, or replace Bruce and probably go down - but I'll tell you this, if we had sacked Bruce, like I said (when everyone said to give him time) after the Middlesbrough game, I bet we wouldn't be where we are now. Yes, we'll probably go down anyway, but lets at least get rid of Bruce Its not nice, having to campaign to get rid of Bruce, he is a good man and did a good job for a couple of years. But the simple fact is that the board won't sack him, not because they are loyal, but because it would cost too much. Bruce has said that he will go if there is dissent from supporters, we plan to make that dissent known. Having read David Sullivan's comments I firmly believe that is what he wants - for the fans to force Bruce out and for the board to come up smelling of roses Our campaign group plan to show Bruce that his incompetence is no longer welcome at Birmingham City |
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| sam jordan | Dec 7 2005, 04:54 PM Post #13 |
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this is just negative rubbish, if the majority wanted than I am sure you could pressure sullivan, but when the MAJORITY wnat bruce to stay than i suggest you go and rant about something else, we won't let the minority ruin what chances we have left to stay up by following a misguided agenda. Bruce knows the team is under performing, he knows he is manager, sullivan is in charge, his call ! not yours, under whose name will you protest? you will make blues fans look daft! NOT in my name none of us want to lose or go down, but knee jerk reactions are not the solution, keep bruce, |
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| mr penguin | Dec 7 2005, 04:59 PM Post #14 |
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not in my book |
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| paddypantsdown | Dec 7 2005, 05:00 PM Post #15 |
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With respect sam how do you know the majority dont want Bruce out? |
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| Hooby Groovy | Dec 7 2005, 05:03 PM Post #16 |
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Same, you don't know how many people want Bruce out as much as I do. But I know that if we lose on Saturday then I most certainly won't be in the minority. Sometimes you have to do what you think is right, this is what I feel. If I am alone it won't have any impact except to make me and a couple of dozen others look silly. If my instinct is right then there will be several hundred campaigners. If you feel so strongly, you are more than welcome to form a "keep Bruce" campaign along a similar vein, if you are right then you will have more imptetus and would outvoice me. I take exception to your knee-jerk comment, what is knee-jerk about my opionions? I seem to remember calling me knee-jerk NEARLY 4 MONTHS AGO when I called for Bruce to walk after the Middlesbrough game. What constitutes knee-jerk then? You are right when you say that Bruce knows his team is underperforming (although your use of the term "team" is a little deluded as they are really playing as a group of individuals), but he won't resign unless pushed, he's sitting on £2 1/2 million - would you resign? We have differing views, but you can't for certain be sure mine are the minority - if they are, then its a sizeable minority and growing after each incompetent home performance Bruce will be gone before Christmas, learn to accept it |
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| boris1 | Dec 7 2005, 05:03 PM Post #17 |
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We will be fine I can't see why people are sh'ting it so much Keep the faith and positive support and the results will happen Come the end of the season you'll be thinking why was I slating Bruce bak in december. |
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| sam jordan | Dec 7 2005, 05:07 PM Post #18 |
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we don't need campaigns, we need the team to win, they will do that best if we show them support. we don't need petty petitions and campaigns, we have a board, and they have done fine so far, in my name as a fan, who are you to act as conductor and chairman representing these masses? i have spoken to loads of fans as well, and viewed the poll on here, and the majority want him to stay and fight, u almost sound pleased with your prediction.... strange,.. and IF blues dare win on saturday, will you sit down and shut up? or hang like a vulture for failure, that is no way to treat a manager of a club I love. |
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| paddypantsdown | Dec 7 2005, 05:10 PM Post #19 |
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Sam i suggest you have a read of the many other bcfc message boards on the net.Everyone i have read want Bruce out. |
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| boris1 | Dec 7 2005, 05:13 PM Post #20 |
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all 100 people max you mean |
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| Hooby Groovy | Dec 7 2005, 05:14 PM Post #21 |
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Frank Worthington
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My reposte is that I will not stand by and letter a manager pull the club I love apart. I've also spoken to loads of fans, and they want him out Sometimes someone needs to draw a line in the sand, say "this is enough" and stand-up for what they believe in I believe we can stay-up - but not with Bruce at the helm. As I say, if I'm wrong I'll look a fool - if people agree, then I am helping the masses voice their opinion. Protest has changed all sorts of things Sam, I agree with some, not with others - but it is the peoples voice. IF we win Saturday, then great. But lets face it, it will only be a temporary dawn. Bruce's tenure is over, he cannot come-back after such appalling results. I just happen to believe the sooner he goes the better. And if I can speed up that process, then all well and good "Power to the people" ;) |
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| sam jordan | Dec 7 2005, 05:14 PM Post #22 |
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well I am sure you are aware that the majority who have vooiced an opinion on here have stated they want bruce to stay, that coupled with the fact that the board want him to stay is all that matters. when sullivan wants him out bruce will go, whatever petty demonstration is organised, which will only distract from the match that our players need to feel comfortable to win. It sickens me so many just jump to sack, after 14 games... we are 2 wins away from the pack we were in last season, that can be turned around. it is petty and stinks of hidden agendas, do u not recall the words to KRO..... we are proud of the meaning and all feel the sentiments, this is time for resolve, not giving up on the players nor the manager. |
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| boris1 | Dec 7 2005, 05:17 PM Post #23 |
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nice reply Sam! |
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| paddypantsdown | Dec 7 2005, 05:17 PM Post #24 |
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Firstly this board is monitored and certain threads would dissapear if they were full of anti Bruce views. After 14 games? bruce has been in charge alot longer than has'nt he? the fact is we have been poor for over 18 months now,ok we have had some highs but alot more lows imo. |
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| The_Bear | Dec 7 2005, 05:23 PM Post #25 |
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This was on the horizon a month ago so I dont see why it has come as such a shock. We perform badly week in week out its only natural for peolple to be clamering for Bruce to go, what else can they clamer for? We have done the "lets get behind em" bit, we have done the "we want results" bit, we have done the "it will come right when the injured return" bit, and none of it has worked. Well now its the "Bruce Out" bit. Mind you having said that, I wont join in as I believe the place for critisism is not at the match. At the match we get behind em, after,later its time show our feelings. |
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