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Why Oh Why Oh Why; fact
Topic Started: Dec 7 2005, 09:53 PM (289 Views)
baron von bluenose
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i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,
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Dec 7 2005, 09:53 AM
i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,

So its not Bruce's fault then. its the players? or is it the fans fault or maybe its the prem lges for making us play, or may be its anybodies fault apart from these really responsible "ie"SB,EB,TB the players are only carrying out instructions are they not? :huh:
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Willie
Dec 7 2005, 09:57 PM
dave c/brom
Dec 7 2005, 09:53 AM
i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with  the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,

So its not Bruce's fault then. its the players? or is it the fans fault or maybe its the prem lges for making us play, or may be its anybodies fault apart from these really responsible "ie"SB,EB,TB the players are only carrying out instructions are they not? :huh:

In my opinion, no they're not Willie

I don't think Bruce's instructions are to go out on the pitch and only play for 30 minutes of the game.

I don't think Bruce's instructions are pass the ball out wide while you have an open goal to shoot at (are you listening Jermaine?).

The players (apart from a few) are not performing.

The sad thing is, they have so much ability. they've provved it to us.

Time to stand up guys.

Gazza
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baron von bluenose
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Willie
Dec 7 2005, 10:57 PM
dave c/brom
Dec 7 2005, 09:53 AM
i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with  the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,

So its not Bruce's fault then. its the players? or is it the fans fault or maybe its the prem lges for making us play, or may be its anybodies fault apart from these really responsible "ie"SB,EB,TB the players are only carrying out instructions are they not? :huh:

which players did you think were bad buys at the time then willy
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Dec 7 2005, 10:00 PM
The players (apart from a few) are not performing.

So who bought, coached, selected, organised and motivated them then ?
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Willie
Dec 7 2005, 09:57 PM
dave c/brom
Dec 7 2005, 09:53 AM
i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with  the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,

So its not Bruce's fault then. its the players? or is it the fans fault or maybe its the prem lges for making us play, or may be its anybodies fault apart from these really responsible "ie"SB,EB,TB the players are only carrying out instructions are they not? :huh:


You missed out Lady Luck, she's an evil bitch too!

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baron von bluenose
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Dec 7 2005, 11:02 PM
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Dec 7 2005, 10:00 PM
The players (apart from a few) are not performing.

So who bought, coached, selected, organised and motivated them then ?

steve bruce got em all and i was pleased with all of em and they were selected on performance's in training and fittness of the squad and motivated by huge salaries and the loyal fans,who abondoned them when they failed to perform due to complacency,unable to react due to key olayers injuries brtuce suffered a backlash from angry fans wanting success im one of them fans and all i ask is patients which for most has run out but im still trying.
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I think that Birmingham just need to look at the table and then take a look at this Fulham match and just go out at them through the whole 90 minutes, I mean I think Fulham are cheats, So we have to be careful of this match, But this is the match where we can really perform and win, So I think Bruce will this time just GO FOR IT and we will come away victorious.
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Willie
Dec 7 2005, 09:57 PM
dave c/brom
Dec 7 2005, 09:53 AM
i spoke to someone close to bruce today who said he was totally gutted at whats going on and i dont blame him.these so called professionals are nothing more than parasites on our club with  the exception of damo kilkenny dunn nico clap clem kenny hesky the rest either dont care or aint bothered,

So its not Bruce's fault then. its the players? or is it the fans fault or maybe its the prem lges for making us play, or may be its anybodies fault apart from these really responsible "ie"SB,EB,TB the players are only carrying out instructions are they not? :huh:

willie you forget my friend it's non of that..............................................it's the fecking music we come out to.

i know because i have read it on here. ;)
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Dec 7 2005, 10:02 PM
Tubs2
Dec 7 2005, 10:00 PM
The players (apart from a few) are not performing.

So who bought, coached, selected, organised and motivated them then ?

Yes indeed.

The players who all have immense talent are underperforming and it's all someonelses fault.

Gazza
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patti03 Posted: Dec 7 2005, 04:13 PM  

Two years ago, most of our players would have run through brick walls for Steve.
I don't see that now. And I don't think it's money and comfort zone etc. I personally think it was around the time that Steve was humming and hawing about the Newcastle option.

Itthink that took a lot of the dressing room "belief" away. And the newer players have come into a cooler environment as regards the "awe" Steve once had.

How he regains that earlier level of trust and support for him, is beyond me, frankly. He seems to be able to do it with the board, but he is no longer getting that extra yard out of the players.


Agree with this 99.5%.

Copied from yet another thread, but it has an essence of truth in it.
Don't think he's lost the dressing room, but I think he's lost the "commitment" that he once had from players.

Not saying that they are "against" him, but don't think they would run through brick walls for him anymore.
His personal saga about Bowyer, certainly didn't help solidify any faith in the dressing room.

And those players against that move, may yet speak out when they themselves move, in 6 - 8 weeks time..... Sullivan's attack on Butt and publicly stating his wages position, didn't help either.

Steve Bruce's position is untenable ( to use the cliche), not because he's the worst manager ever, he is ok, but because everything from refs/injuries/gell/luck has been against him.
And if he believes that things HAD to get better, and relied on that...then he is a fool.

After all, luck is created, it isn't dished out democratically.

Don't believe that Steve has the ability to improve our situation.
Who, for God Sake has?

But if it is a choice of Steve going in January or May even
Christmas 2006...he will go.

The question is, at what point is it going to be the best for Blues? <_<



Not best for the board.

But US.

BLUES.

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patti03 Posted: Dec 7 2005, 04:13 PM  

Two years ago, most of our players would have run through brick walls for Steve.
I don't see that now. And I don't think it's money and comfort zone etc. I personally think it was around the time that Steve was humming and hawing about the Newcastle option.

Itthink that took a lot of the dressing room "belief" away. And the newer players have come into a cooler environment as regards the "awe" Steve once had.

How he regains that earlier level of trust and support for him, is beyond me, frankly. He seems to be able to do it with the board, but he is no longer getting that extra yard out of the players.


Agree with this 99.5%.

Copied from yet another thread, but it has an essence of truth in it.
Don't think he's lost the dressing room, but I think he's lost the "commitment" that he once had from players.

Not saying that they are "against" him, but don't think they would run through brick walls for him anymore.
His personal saga about Bowyer, certainly didn't help solidify any faith in the dressing room.

And those players against that move, may yet speak out when they themselves move, in 6 - 8 weeks time..... Sullivan's attack on Butt and publicly stating his wages position, didn't help either.

Steve Bruce's position is untenable ( to use the cliche), not because he's the worst manager ever, he is ok, but because everything from refs/injuries/gell/luck has been against him.
And if he believes that things HAD to get better, and relied on that...then he is a fool.

After all, luck is created, it isn't dished out democratically.

Don't believe that Steve has the ability to improve our situation.
Who, for God Sake has?

But if it is a choice of Steve going in January or May even
Christmas 2006...he will go.

The question is, at what point is it going to be the best for Blues? <_<



Not best for the board.

But US.

BLUES.

.

Very accurate and just about drives in the nail.......

I agree 100 per cent that Bruce's position is now untenable ....let's presume we WILL avoid the drop (and I honestly believe we will with the players we have) realistically we will most likely finish the season anywhere between 11th and 17th....based on previous seasons this AGAIN will be failue as the club are not going forward any longer but rather heading the opposite direction

Much as I hate the muppet 'the Robbie Savage connection' is critical...with him in the side,there was fight and spirit from everyone...Savage could lift the whole side,I saw Savage perform wonders and play out of his skin when we drew AWAY at Arsenal AND Chelsea....can you really see this side doing that in the same fixtures ???

Yes,Savage is NOT a world class player,we all knew that....but he MOTIVATED those around him.....the Mark Bowen connection is another link...when we had him as coach we were INVINCIBLE at St Andrews in 2003/04....as soon as he left we have gone on to have the worse run of results in two decades....

They say progress is progress but we have less points on the board now than we did in our FIRST season up....
The Bottom Line is YES,we have some marvellously gifted players in the squad but they just can't GEL as a team.....football is a team game...it is also a very complex and strategic one,too......tactics and selections DO play their part in today's fast paced modern game

I'm surprised at Sullivan's comments because I thought HE was the one who could and would instigate CHANGE .....and NOW .............But knowing football the way I do these days it is a game riddled with false promises,misguided trust and shallow loyalty and players who think they are above the law as they go about their daily rituals of making millions and millions of the fans' dosh

If we don't beat Fulham...SB has to go (Sullivan will do a complete U Turn and the Gold Bros will finally see the plain light, I guarantee it)........it is plainly obvious sitting on 9 points and just 2 victories against two other very poor sides.....the thought of keeping faith with him in the Coca Cola is LUDICROUS and beyond realistic comprehension....the ONLY way SB can keep his job now IMHO is if we went on an epic like run (like the Villa did in 2003/04) and finish in the top seven or even avoid the drop and win one of the domestic Cups....that would be a huge morale booster....but relegation will be absolutely CATASTROPHIC for this football club

As I said I do believe we'll escape the drop (if we can get a little more luck,every team relies on that occassionally and get a settled side together,more importantly one that always looks like scoring goals and conceding less) but I honestly think a change of manager WILL happen either this month or in the summer before the start of NEXT season ....No doubt in my mind

As I said earlier Progress is Progress .......BTW take a look at Pompey....they are in disarray and short on belief,too....BUT they have done something about it while the season is still young

Keep right on
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[If we don't beat Fulham...SB has to go (Sullivan will do a complete U Turn and the Gold Bros will finally see the plain light, I guarantee it)........

How do you guarantee they will sack SB ?
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Dec 8 2005, 08:23 AM
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Dec 8 2005, 07:29 AM
[If we don't beat Fulham...SB has to go (Sullivan will do a complete U Turn and the Gold Bros will finally see the plain light, I guarantee it)........

How do you guarantee they will sack SB ?

The way football is today.mate....Never believe anything you read

OK I did say guarantee....let's put it down to a 'hunch' then

I can not see Bruce remaining if we FAIL to beat Fulham and I can't see him being in charge in May unless we win almost every game left this season....as I said realistically we are looking for SURVIVAL...yet again

And don't forget the dreaded 'Vote of Confidence' from your employers is usually the KISS OF DEATH

KRO
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Dec 8 2005, 08:35 AM
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Dec 8 2005, 08:23 AM
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Dec 8 2005, 07:29 AM
[If we don't beat Fulham...SB has to go (Sullivan will do a complete U Turn and the Gold Bros will finally see the plain light, I guarantee it)........

How do you guarantee they will sack SB ?

The way football is today.mate....Never believe anything you read

OK I did say guarantee....let's put it down to a 'hunch' then

I can not see Bruce remaining if we FAIL to beat Fulham and I can't see him being in charge in May unless we win almost every game left this season....as I said realistically we are looking for SURVIVAL...yet again

And don't forget the dreaded 'Vote of Confidence' from your employers is usually the KISS OF DEATH

KRO

I wasn't doubting you i was wondering if you had some inside info !! ;)
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Dec 8 2005, 08:42 AM
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Dec 8 2005, 08:35 AM
salad_dodger
Dec 8 2005, 08:23 AM
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Dec 8 2005, 07:29 AM
[If we don't beat Fulham...SB has to go (Sullivan will do a complete U Turn and the Gold Bros will finally see the plain light, I guarantee it)........

How do you guarantee they will sack SB ?

The way football is today.mate....Never believe anything you read

OK I did say guarantee....let's put it down to a 'hunch' then

I can not see Bruce remaining if we FAIL to beat Fulham and I can't see him being in charge in May unless we win almost every game left this season....as I said realistically we are looking for SURVIVAL...yet again

And don't forget the dreaded 'Vote of Confidence' from your employers is usually the KISS OF DEATH

KRO

I wasn't doubting you i was wondering if you had some inside info !! ;)

No,mate....not me...you might be thinking of wildybeast but ain't seen much of him since we FAILED to sign Wayne Bridge ...LOL

The only 'inside info' I have is "Marks and Spencers" ..XXL ...Wash Warm Water on Delicates Cycle Only....Made in Bangla Desh

That's the INFO from inside my underwear
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