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Get Off Grays Back!
Topic Started: Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM (1,171 Views)
jpkengland
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For **** sake people, take your heads out of your ***** and actually think before you type.

I'm sorry to be evil but it seems that a lot of people on here think that if you have 11 Roy Keanes on the field then all your problems would float away just because they go in for every takle and run like bitches.

Not the real world!!!

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jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM
**** me, this is quickly becoming Gronkear Part 2.

Give the lad some bloody slack. He's an amazingly important player for us. No, he might not be a blood and thunder scrappy player but when we need an extra attacking option or some flair and vision he is immense.

Different players for different situations.

spot on mate, I've been saying this on various posts for ages !
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jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 05:33 PM
For **** sake people, take your heads out of your ***** and actually think before you type.

I'm sorry to be evil but it seems that a lot of people on here think that if you have 11 Roy Keanes on the field then all your problems would float away just because they go in for every takle and run like bitches.

Not the real world!!!

You're entitled to your opinion - the important thing is that the Manager doesn't share it.................................Anymore ! **thumbup
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Dec 12 2005, 05:10 PM
Here's a selection of the negative condemnations of a Blues player form this thread alone. he was crap last season and is worse than crap this season

He lacks bottle. He doesnt tackle, he runs scared from full backs who will rough him up a bit and he doesnt fight for the team enough. Players like Gray are luxury players - we cant have people like that in our team at the moment.

gray runs with the ball then gets worried he is gonna get a knock on his ankles, bloke is a woman and needs a kick up the ass, over paid over rated lazy **** that needs to be sold

we played with ten men against west ham because Gray hid. At no point in that game did he make any attempt to want the ball or lose his marker. He managed to back out of every 50/50 challenge he was involved in. He was lack lustre and appeared to be going through the motions - no effort whatsoever and I was disgusted by his apathy.

Gray gives the impression that he couldnt give a toss, its all too much of an effort for him
Pat I can never forgive the fans here for the bowyer thing!

How fans find it in them to outright condemn, abuse, slag off our players I will never understand or agree with. It is not my idea of support.

No one of these posters mentions the fact that Gray has ben playing with injuries for most of this season, not one of them gives a Blues player any quarter. The positive comments on the thread have mentioned the things that Gray has done, but they are just ignored by the slaggers. Yes it's another Gronkear situation, the unthinking destruction of blues players.

Not acceptable in my book, and never will be.

Just imagine for a second that Gray is about to turn into the most fantastic player Blues have ever signed, but we will never see it happen becuase these assassins have made the boy leave us beforee he gets the chance.

I would like to have a situation where Steve Bruce is the only person picking from our squad, instead of having Gronkear, Bowyer, Gray, removed before Bruce gets to pick. I would prefer SB to buy and sell players, I do not want a bunch of thugs doing the job for him.

You might find these strong words, well, I feel very strongly about the subject. So apologies if it hurts, but someone has got to stop this rot.

Well what a good post! any one remember a certain player from arsenal exactly the same....Jimmy Bloomfield! never in several years

did he make a tackle.

never was he booed at St Ands.
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jpkengland
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Dec 12 2005, 05:41 PM
jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 05:33 PM
For **** sake people, take your heads out of your ***** and actually think before you type.

I'm sorry to be evil but it seems that a lot of people on here think that if you have 11 Roy Keanes on the field then all your problems would float away just because they go in for every takle and run like bitches.

Not the real world!!!

You're entitled to your opinion - the important thing is that the Manager doesn't share it.................................Anymore ! **thumbup

Thing is, yes he does, which is why he brought on Pennant during the second half.
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can't be dealing with people booing! its out of order!

grey is never gunna get stuck in, its not his style! we cant expect all players to have everything!

ok I was disgusted when he turned his back on a couple of tackles against west ham, but I was chuffed when he scored a couple of goals recently... i know which one i would prefer
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This could go on forever so let's end it.jpkengland you're RIGHT and everyone else including Bruce is WRONG.

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jpkengland
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Dec 12 2005, 05:50 PM
This could go on forever so let's end it.jpkengland you're RIGHT and everyone else including Bruce is WRONG.

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Oh hahahaha! <_<
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Dec 12 2005, 05:50 PM
can't be dealing with people booing! its out of order!


Who said anything about Booing him !?
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Dec 12 2005, 05:45 PM
Pat
Dec 12 2005, 05:10 PM
Here's a selection of the negative condemnations of a Blues player form this thread alone. he was crap last season and is worse than crap this season

He lacks bottle. He doesnt tackle, he runs scared from full backs who will rough him up a bit and he doesnt fight for the team enough. Players like Gray are luxury players - we cant have people like that in our team at the moment.

gray runs with the ball then gets worried he is gonna get a knock on his ankles, bloke is a woman and needs a kick up the ass, over paid over rated lazy **** that needs to be sold

we played with ten men against west ham because Gray hid. At no point in that game did he make any attempt to want the ball or lose his marker. He managed to back out of every 50/50 challenge he was involved in. He was lack lustre and appeared to be going through the motions - no effort whatsoever and I was disgusted by his apathy.

Gray gives the impression that he couldnt give a toss, its all too much of an effort for him
Pat I can never forgive the fans here for the bowyer thing!

How fans find it in them to outright condemn, abuse, slag off our players I will never understand or agree with. It is not my idea of support.

No one of these posters mentions the fact that Gray has ben playing with injuries for most of this season, not one of them gives a Blues player any quarter. The positive comments on the thread have mentioned the things that Gray has done, but they are just ignored by the slaggers. Yes it's another Gronkear situation, the unthinking destruction of blues players.

Not acceptable in my book, and never will be.

Just imagine for a second that Gray is about to turn into the most fantastic player Blues have ever signed, but we will never see it happen becuase these assassins have made the boy leave us beforee he gets the chance.

I would like to have a situation where Steve Bruce is the only person picking from our squad, instead of having Gronkear, Bowyer, Gray, removed before Bruce gets to pick. I would prefer SB to buy and sell players, I do not want a bunch of thugs doing the job for him.

You might find these strong words, well, I feel very strongly about the subject. So apologies if it hurts, but someone has got to stop this rot.

Well what a good post! any one remember a certain player from arsenal exactly the same....Jimmy Bloomfield! never in several years

did he make a tackle.

never was he booed at St Ands.

sorry was commenting on this one about the player mentioned here
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little_bluenose
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Why don't we just give Jules time, he isn't the only player who's having bad days. Ok he's not playing that good, we know, but neither are the other players, we know what he's capable of doing, and when he is playing well he can be a threat to the opponant, and he can score some great goals. If we don't stop critisising him, he isn't going to have confidence is he?. So why don't you get off the boys back and start supporting him when he comes on the pitch, if we have faith in him he will have faith in himself and start playing well again.
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While I agree that booing a player is not the answer, the flipside of the argument would be that if someone is not told of their lacklustre performances they would continue to do more of the same, so it's all good and well saying get off his case but it needs Bruce and the coaches to adress the situation, have a word with him and point out areas he could improve on. OK he is never going to be a physical player, diving in for tackles left,right and centre but he could always track back and close down the ball and force the opposition into a mistake. (He does do this on occasion)

It would make him a more complete player, and the fans would appreciate the effort aswell. It just takes the right people to say the right things.

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I've never been keen on JG, when we first signed him a lot was made of his potential, and potential is what we are yet to see, perhaps only in flashes, but he is just a "normal" winger like many in football who has more bad days than good, and equally relies on his own confidence as well as the teams to propel his performance.

I agree at keeping off his back, there is always a scapegoat in any side regardless of how a team is performing.....

Maybe if someone can come up with some stats on his passes, tackles, assists and goals, it might settle a few disputes???

KRO
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This is the way i see it

Gray - Strengths

Pacy

Skillfull


Gray - Weaknesses

Very rarely crosses will rather take on another man, and try and win a corner or throw

Very poor in front of goal (misses good chances)

Poor tackler

Goes Hiding frequently


Make whatever conclusion from this
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Dec 12 2005, 05:30 PM
The guy clearly shows no heart, no bottle, no stomach for a fight. He is happy to drift along and pick up his over-inflated wage packet whilst contributing the bare minimum to the team imo. What makes his attitude more upsetting, is that he does have skill and pace and on his day he can be very good. That day doesn't come often enough ! When he's up against a "nasty" full back he hides, shirks challenges and doesn't want the ball.

Anyone in any doubt about his attitude should read what Bruce said prior to the Fulham game about dropping the players who have "LET ME DOWN". We all now know who he meant ! He has been "sussed out ". The team picked on Saturday gave everything they had and I was proud of everyone of them. Some have less ability than Mr Gray, but all showed a pride in the Blue shirt, something he clearly lacks !

Great post bmv and the most sensible and accurate amongst this whole bunch in my book

It's interesting to see that there are only a couple of these '100 % Pro Gray' misguided fools on here and ironically they are the ones abusing other posters with their insults ...perhaps secretly,they are they ones doing all the boo-ing....I've no time for anyone who can't respect another's opinion without reverting to petty slurs

As for Battlers and Hard Tacklers....we have had Trevor Francis,Christophe Dugarry,Kevin Dillon,Frankie Worthington,Bob Hatton,Howard Kendall,Jimmy Bloomfield,Gordon Taylor,Bobby Hope and I could go and on....these guys were never renowned for their 'Ruggedness' or 'Ability to chew the head off or break the leg of one of the opponents'......No, the difference was these guys could actually PLAY...they had sublime TALENT.......plus they worked hard for their team mates (maybe the exception would be Dugarry but look at the winners medals in his drawer and the clubs he played for ....nuff said really)

Julian Gray is an absolute clown.....a completer waster.....we don't need his type ....one who will 'do the so called biz' with a couple of mazy runs for 10 minutes and then hides for the other 80 plus stoppage time...the muppet must feel guilty picking up that hefty paycheck every week....I know I would

Ship him out in January,Mr Bruce...PLEASE......Norwich or Sheffield Wednesday might take him......Gray epitomises the exact subject matter our owner David Sullivan was referring to just days ago.....we need players who will fight all the way and roll up the sleeves and 'get stuck in' when called upon

And I've never forgiven him for that sitter he missed v the Vile....my 10 year old would have buried that

KRO
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its funny partisan that you have a go at people for name calling, then your 2nd line calls them "misguided fools"!! whilst not the worst insult i've heard its still name calling isnt it? :rolleyes: also disrespecting their views as being wrong, when all our views are equally valid in all but facts... ;)
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Great post bmv and the most sensible and accurate amongst this whole bunch in my book

It's interesting to see that there are only a couple of these '100 % Pro Gray' misguided fools on here and ironically they are the ones abusing other posters with their insults ...perhaps secretly,they are they ones doing all the boo-ing....I've no time for anyone who can't respect another's opinion without reverting to petty slurs

As for Battlers and Hard Tacklers....we have had Trevor Francis,Christophe Dugarry,Kevin Dillon,Frankie Worthington,Bob Hatton,Howard Kendall,Jimmy Bloomfield,Gordon Taylor,Bobby Hope and I could go and on....these guys were never renowned for their 'Ruggedness' or 'Ability to chew the head off or break the leg of one of the opponents'......No, the difference was these guys could actually PLAY...they had sublime TALENT.......plus they worked hard for their team mates (maybe the exception would be Dugarry but look at the winners medals in his drawer and the clubs he played for ....nuff said really)

Julian Gray is an absolute clown.....a completer waster.....we don't need his type ....one who will 'do the so called biz' with a couple of mazy runs for 10 minutes and then hides for the other 80 plus stoppage time...the muppet must feel guilty picking up that hefty paycheck every week....I know I would

Ship him out in January,Mr Bruce...PLEASE......Norwich or Sheffield Wednesday might take him......Gray epitomises the exact subject matter our owner David Sullivan was referring to just days ago.....we need players who will fight all the way and roll up the sleeves and 'get stuck in' when called upon

And I've never forgiven him for that sitter he missed v the Vile....my 10 year old would have buried that

KRO


Exactly like proccy said - you are bing every bit as offensive and derogatory yourself!

Not everybody pro Gray is saying he should start every game. Dunny on the left for me every time whilst he is fit.

However, we cannot deny that he has scored a couple of vital goals this season. Just imagine what would have happened if we had not won at Sunderland and Milwall! It is ironic that you criticise blinkered fans, yet are unable to forgive a player for missing a shot against Vile - depsite the goals he has scored or set up elsewhere!

People claim that whilst Tebs, Clem et al should not be starters, they have a place in the squad. Should we not at least have a place then for a pacy and skilfull winger who has scored twice this season despite having fewer starts than many of the other midfielders?

Gray is NOT the only player who has underperformed this season - Upson has been shocking and Mario not much better. Clem has been largely poor in MOST of the games he has payed, KC has looked slow and pedestrian and has been exposed on a number of occassions, Heskey has not scored many and spends more time wrestling with players than in front of goal.

I am not singling any of the bove out on their won - they are ALL to blame for our poor season (as is a certain Mr S Bruce) and passing off our problems onto Gray will not work any more than getting rid of Gronks solved our problems. Get real and start looking at the WHOLE picture for why something is going wrong.
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Give him time??
He's had a season and a half and he's 26 already.
He's just so lazy and doesn't care and he just p***** me off.
Get him out, Stan on the wing, miles better than Gray (when fit).
never really liked him anyway, I like the battlers and players that give 110% every game and really care BUT gray DOESN'T.
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Get him out, Stan on the wing, miles better than Gray (when fit).
never really liked him anyway, I like the battlers and players that give 110% every game and really care BUT gray DOESN'T.


And there, in a nutshell, is part of the reason we are in the mire. It takes more than 110% to get on in the Prem, and STan has been abysmal whenever he has played this season.

It is so easy to say 'Stan is miles better' and not think about what you are syaing because it is 'good ole Stan' Fact is that Stan was great two/three season ago, but is past it now, and his performances have shown that.

Think before you speak,people.
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jpkengland
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Quite nice to see that actually most people are on the same wavelength.

I might just have thought I'd seen more anti-gray posts just because of the viciousnes of them.
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Dec 12 2005, 05:10 PM
Here's a selection of the negative condemnations of a Blues player form this thread alone. he was crap last season and is worse than crap this season

He lacks bottle. He doesnt tackle, he runs scared from full backs who will rough him up a bit and he doesnt fight for the team enough. Players like Gray are luxury players - we cant have people like that in our team at the moment.

gray runs with the ball then gets worried he is gonna get a knock on his ankles, bloke is a woman and needs a kick up the ass, over paid over rated lazy **** that needs to be sold

we played with ten men against west ham because Gray hid. At no point in that game did he make any attempt to want the ball or lose his marker. He managed to back out of every 50/50 challenge he was involved in. He was lack lustre and appeared to be going through the motions - no effort whatsoever and I was disgusted by his apathy.

Gray gives the impression that he couldnt give a toss, its all too much of an effort for him


How fans find it in them to outright condemn, abuse, slag off our players I will never understand or agree with. It is not my idea of support.

No one of these posters mentions the fact that Gray has ben playing with injuries for most of this season, not one of them gives a Blues player any quarter. The positive comments on the thread have mentioned the things that Gray has done, but they are just ignored by the slaggers. Yes it's another Gronkear situation, the unthinking destruction of blues players.

Not acceptable in my book, and never will be.

Just imagine for a second that Gray is about to turn into the most fantastic player Blues have ever signed, but we will never see it happen becuase these assassins have made the boy leave us beforee he gets the chance.

I would like to have a situation where Steve Bruce is the only person picking from our squad, instead of having Gronkear, Bowyer, Gray, removed before Bruce gets to pick. I would prefer SB to buy and sell players, I do not want a bunch of thugs doing the job for him.

You might find these strong words, well, I feel very strongly about the subject. So apologies if it hurts, but someone has got to stop this rot.

I pretty much agree with you Gray has positives and negatives and has contributed to our little success this season. I stand by my previous comment about his tackling but as I said their may be reasons which affect this such as confidence, aggressiveness or injury etc. I definitely wouldn't want him shipped out in Jan as I think he does provide us with a decent option and find the whole to care you must run around like Savage did attitude baffling and counter-productive.

I also think the Gronkjaer's treatment was appaling and still think that if the boo-boys hadn't got on his back he would have become a good player for us.As for Bowyer well if I am perfectly honest I am glad he didn't come as you can't fully divorce the footballing aspect (which would have been useful this season) from the off field issues and I still believe it would have been a step too far. Saying that I never put up any official opposition so if things had been different and he had come I would have accepted it although not been pleased about it but SB and the board would have made that decision.

There seems to be an unhealthy tendency which is becoming more prominent for certain sections of our fan base to pick a scapegoat and from that point nothing they can do is right. I suspect a lot of the folks in this thread calling for Gray's head were last week calling for Butt to be sent back to Newcastle in Jan and at various points Pandiani, DJ, Clemence, SB, Clapham and the board to go.

BBN
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Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM
**** me, this is quickly becoming Gronkear Part 2.

Give the lad some bloody slack. He's an amazingly important player for us. No, he might not be a blood and thunder scrappy player but when we need an extra attacking option or some flair and vision he is immense.

Different players for different situations.

jpkengland u must be his dad,brother or blood relative if ur the only one that cant see how shi*e gray is.he would struggle to get in the tamworth team.
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jpkengland
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Dec 13 2005, 02:19 PM
jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM
**** me, this is quickly becoming Gronkear Part 2.

Give the lad some bloody slack. He's an amazingly important player for us. No, he might not be a blood and thunder scrappy player but when we need an extra attacking option or some flair and vision he is immense.

Different players for different situations.

jpkengland u must be his dad,brother or blood relative if ur the only one that cant see how shi*e gray is.he would struggle to get in the tamworth team.

:rolleyes:

Just as you stuggle with grammar?
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jpkengland
Dec 13 2005, 02:27 PM
proud2bblue
Dec 13 2005, 02:19 PM
jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM
**** me, this is quickly becoming Gronkear Part 2.

Give the lad some bloody slack. He's an amazingly important player for us. No, he might not be a blood and thunder scrappy player but when we need an extra attacking option or some flair and vision he is immense.

Different players for different situations.

jpkengland u must be his dad,brother or blood relative if ur the only one that cant see how shi*e gray is.he would struggle to get in the tamworth team.

:rolleyes:

Just as you stuggle with grammar?

What a cheap shot that was, grammer?? Its a forum that most people use whilst being sneaky in work, I dont think that they actually care about grammer.

Plus I have to agree, Gray is a complete waste of time - I can remember watching his defending when we played Villa this season, it was none exsistant - That was a massive derby game!!.....I dont mind if he stays on the bench and gives us an option after an hour, apart from that, hes ****
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Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM
What a cheap shot that was, grammer?? Its a forum that most people use whilst being sneaky in work, I dont think that they actually care about grammer.

Plus I have to agree, Gray is a complete waste of time - I can remember watching his defending when we played Villa this season, it was none exsistant - That was a massive derby game!!.....I dont mind if he stays on the bench and gives us an option after an hour, apart from that, hes ****

Yeah, I remember him against the Villa but I also remember him last season against Manchester United where he was in a league of his own.
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