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Get Off Grays Back!
Topic Started: Dec 12 2005, 01:22 PM (1,169 Views)
ATL-Blue
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jpkengland
Dec 13 2005, 02:51 PM
Mr. Blue
Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM
What a cheap shot that was, grammer?? Its a forum that most people use whilst being sneaky in work, I dont think that they actually care about grammer.

Plus I have to agree, Gray is a complete waste of time - I can remember watching his defending when we played Villa this season, it was none exsistant - That was a massive derby game!!.....I dont mind if he stays on the bench and gives us an option after an hour, apart from that, hes ****

Yeah, I remember him against the Villa but I also remember him last season against Manchester United where he was in a league of his own.

Anyone can have good games here and there, the higher the level you play at the more consistent you are required to be, Gray is far from that.

Yeah I'd keep him the squad , and am not giving him as much stick as everyone else (partly due to the fact that he was injured last monday and not enough people have really taken that into consideration), but he still does deserve stick because he does go hiding, or worse doesn't even show up some games.
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I happen to think along the same lines mate.

The problem is stick is one thing and blatant abuse is another.
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Dec 13 2005, 07:53 AM
its funny partisan that you have a go at people for name calling, then your 2nd line calls them "misguided fools"!! whilst not the worst insult i've heard its still name calling isnt it? :rolleyes: also disrespecting their views as being wrong, when all our views are equally valid in all but facts... ;)

Well done,proccy for the sharp eyes
I wondered who would be the FIRST to pick that up

Yes,I am the World's WORST Hypocrite.....or is that the BEST ? :unsure:

With all due respect I don't think calling someone a 'misguided fool' ....sorry,that's the only description in my book for the Julian Gray Fan Club (BOTH of them)...is quite as bad as taking your head out of your @r**.......I can't even get my head close to it without some serious stretching and bending

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The fact is, whilst a football team is struggling at the foot of the table, desperatley attempting to pick up points, looking for their first home win in half a dozen games, pressure on.......you need players, irrelevant of their personal ability, nay, you expect and demand, that they work as hard as they possibly can, both on and off the ball.

Unfortunately, Gray was and is one of those player who have not been showing enough proffesional determination in recent games, hence, he was not only dropped from the team, but the squad.

He's not the only one, there are others who have given as little in terms of heart and desire.

You can't defend his general play and work ethic/attitude, just becouse he scored a goal at Sunderland, and at Millwall.

In his defence, he has a decent engine on him we've all seen what he is capable of, he's a modern athlete, but, for me, his standard of football has been poor and his standard of commitment is even worse, you can forgive one of these if the other is shining through, but not both.

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Dec 14 2005, 06:23 AM
The fact is, whilst a football team is struggling at the foot of the table, desperatley attempting to pick up points, looking for their first home win in half a dozen games, pressure on.......you need players, irrelevant of their personal ability, nay, you expect and demand, that they work as hard as they possibly can, both on and off the ball.

Unfortunately, Gray was and is one of those player who have not been showing enough proffesional determination in recent games, hence, he was not only dropped from the team, but the squad.

He's not the only one, there are others who have given as little in terms of heart and desire.

You can't defend his general play and work ethic/attitude, just becouse he scored a goal at Sunderland, and at Millwall.

In his defence, he has a decent engine on him we've all seen what he is capable of, he's a modern athlete, but, for me, his standard of football has been poor and his standard of commitment is even worse, you can forgive one of these if the other is shining through, but not both.

I am a "harsher critic" but this is a very balanced view imo.
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Dec 14 2005, 03:54 PM
The Blue Bear
Dec 14 2005, 06:23 AM
The fact is, whilst a football team is struggling at the foot of the table, desperatley attempting to pick up points, looking for their first home win in half a dozen games, pressure on.......you need players, irrelevant of their personal ability, nay, you expect and demand, that they work as hard as they possibly can, both on and off the ball.

Unfortunately, Gray was and is one of those player who have not been showing enough proffesional determination in recent games, hence, he was not only dropped from the team, but the squad.

He's not the only one, there are others who have given as little in terms of heart and desire.

You can't defend his general play and work ethic/attitude, just becouse he scored a goal at Sunderland, and at Millwall.

In his defence, he has a decent engine on him we've all seen what he is capable of, he's a modern athlete, but, for me, his standard of football has been poor and his standard of commitment is even worse, you can forgive one of these if the other is shining through, but not both.

I am a "harsher critic" but this is a very balanced view imo.

lol, It's a lot of things but it's certainly not balanced.
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jpkengland
Dec 14 2005, 05:15 PM
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Dec 14 2005, 03:54 PM
The Blue Bear
Dec 14 2005, 06:23 AM
The fact is, whilst a football team is struggling at the foot of the table, desperatley attempting to pick up points, looking for their first home win in half a dozen games, pressure on.......you need players, irrelevant of their personal ability, nay, you expect and demand, that they work as hard as they possibly can, both on and off the ball.

Unfortunately, Gray was and is one of those player who have not been showing enough proffesional determination in recent games, hence, he was not only dropped from the team, but the squad.

He's not the only one, there are others who have given as little in terms of heart and desire.

You can't defend his general play and work ethic/attitude, just becouse he scored a goal at Sunderland, and at Millwall.

In his defence, he has a decent engine on him we've all seen what he is capable of, he's a modern athlete, but, for me, his standard of football has been poor and his standard of commitment is even worse, you can forgive one of these if the other is shining through, but not both.

I am a "harsher critic" but this is a very balanced view imo.

lol, It's a lot of things but it's certainly not balanced.

I think you are in the minority on this one. You've made more effort in defending him than he ever puts in on the pitch ;)
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jpkengland
Dec 12 2005, 01:31 PM
stevio11
Dec 12 2005, 01:26 PM
What attcking flair, he was crap last season and is worse than crap this season.WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES

You takin **** mate?

Last year, like every other player, he had good and bad games but on the whole he looked impressive - especially when he owned, let me say that again, OWNED Rooney. He certainly didn't pull out of any takles that day.

This year he's been one of the few players to look dangerous and do that thing we seem to have a problem with.

Score.

At least someone remembers, he was better than Ashley Cole for a month last year.

Only question I've got is why can't Gray play like this all the time?
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Dec 14 2005, 08:26 PM
Only question I've got is why can't Gray play like this all the time?

Thats an easy one to answer.

It's called desire.

You can have all the ability in the world, but at the end of the day it's the personal choices they make when they are on the field of play. Do I tackle or jockey, do I track back or stay upfield, do I chase that ball down or give the oppostion player an easy time, do I put my head in where it hurts or allow them a free header......personal choices.....some require heart, courage, determination..which are the harder choices.

The easy ones, well, Gray takes far too often.
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jpkengland
Dec 13 2005, 02:51 PM
Mr. Blue
Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM
What a cheap shot that was, grammer?? Its a forum that most people use whilst being sneaky in work, I dont think that they actually care about grammer.

Plus I have to agree, Gray is a complete waste of time - I can remember watching his defending when we played Villa this season, it was none exsistant - That was a massive derby game!!.....I dont mind if he stays on the bench and gives us an option after an hour, apart from that, hes ****

Yeah, I remember him against the Villa but I also remember him last season against Manchester United where he was in a league of his own.

WOW, one good game in how many. Maybe that just shows you the truth about Gray? Anyone can get up for playing against Man U at Old Trafford!

Shame he can't apply himself for every other game?. Which begs the question, WHY NOT?

Personally i think Blue Bear's hit the nail on the head!
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gotta say jpkengland...gray at this present moment in time deserves the criticism aimed at him
,but don't think that people are trying to get him ousted from the blues payroll.......we just want( as i'm sure you do )a player who prepared to give blood sweat and tears for the club.....and at the moment and especially against West Ham he had by far the worst performance i have ever seen him have.....and out of a crop of current bad performers...he has been the worst
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Bookemdanno
Dec 15 2005, 11:06 AM
WOW, one good game in how many. Maybe that just shows you the truth about Gray? Anyone can get up for playing against Man U at Old Trafford!

Shame he can't apply himself for every other game?. Which begs the question, WHY NOT?

Personally i think Blue Bear's hit the nail on the head!

It wasn't one good game in how many for a few reasons. One being he was outstanding and the other being he's actually been one of the most consistent perforemers for us during the past few seasons.

Yes, it's amazingly fustrating when you see him have a blinder a few times and wonder why he can't do it more often but all that is is the difference between a superb player and just a very good one.

Gray is a very very good footballer who just happens to be a little hesitant to put feet in. So what? We've got other players to do that. In the same way that Clemence can't skip past players and leave them standing. So what? We've got other players to do that, players like Gray.

And I thought his MOTM against Man U was at St. Andrews? Apologies if I'm wrong bout that.
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I don't expect him to put his foot in. I don't expect any wingers to really, it helps but not vital. We are dealing with Premiership footballers after all.

What i don't expect is him to go missing. Not show for the ball, or generally not want to be involved in any aspect of the game. Even if the chips are down.

He may have talent, but if he doesn't apply himself when on the field, then its a waste of time him being out there. That goes for any player.

When he first arrived last season, he looked our best bit of business that summer.
Now hes taken a huge step back IMO.

We NEED EVERYONE on that pitch to be committed to the cause!
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