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Fathers For Justice
Topic Started: Jan 18 2006, 11:08 PM (164 Views)
mr penguin
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Does anybody else think that there's something odd about this ?

An alleged plot to kidnap Tony Blair's son by extremists who had supposedly attached themselves to Fathers By Justice. If such a plot existed, even the police say that had never passed "chattering stage" (i.e. no plans, no reccies...)

Easy enough for FFJ to condemn & deny any knowledge of or responsibility for.

But the leader of Fathers For Justice, suddenly says "That's it. We're winding up".

wtf** !!??

MI5, MI5, MI5.... :ph43r:
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garrybaldy
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yes very strange
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mr penguin
Jan 19 2006, 12:08 AM
Does anybody else think that there's something odd about this ?

An alleged plot to kidnap Tony Blair's son by extremists who had supposedly attached themselves to Fathers By Justice. If such a plot existed, even the police say that had never passed "chattering stage" (i.e. no plans, no reccies...)

Easy enough for FFJ to condemn & deny any knowledge of or responsibility for.

But the leader of Fathers For Justice, suddenly says "That's it. We're winding up".

wtf** !!??

MI5, MI5, MI5....  :ph43r:

maybe FFJ just didnt want it to go as far as kidnapping and thought that if it goes on then an extremst group might do some real damage and they will get the blame.

FFJ's real fight would then be unimportant - afterall these are just guys who love theyre kids at the end of the day
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Jan 18 2006, 11:11 PM
maybe FFJ just didnt want it to go as far as kidnapping and thought that if it goes on then an extremst group might do some real damage and they will get the blame.

FFJ's real fight would then be unimportant - afterall these are just guys who love theyre kids at the end of the day

Doesn't really add up for me.

Extremists won't care whether on not FFJ disbands. Look at Northern Ireland : Provisional IRA stops fighting, a few extremists fight on as "Real IRA".

Besides which, none of the experts that I have heard today give any credibility to the "kidnap plot".

i.e.

- there was no serious attempt to kidnap Blair's son
- there might not have been a plot at all
- and it was nothing to do with FFJ

Why would somebody pack in a campaign they've spent years establishing with such haste and on such a flimsy premis ?

:ph43r:
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dont know if they had dodgy links or some serious sub-agenda, but were linked with a group started here in burton called "Families need Fathers", and i know from personal experience these guys are interested only in getting fair access rights for excluded parents.
when you are prevented from seeing your kids for no other reason than spite and vindictiveness ( not me, thankfully ) pretty much any other issue is secondary to that.
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Something does not seem to add up. I can see why the founder of FFJ does not want to be linked with these extremists but you find extremists in any organisation. They latch onto the cause and only seem to want to create trouble and break laws in the process.
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i would imagine FFJ had come a natural end anyway, but this story seems over the top, and may be more to it that meets eye.

Genuine fathers would not have got involved in a kidnap, which would have ended in a death somewhere, probably either policeman, or on of the kidnappers...

this seems like something Mi5 would invent to discredit FFJ.



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We're not the People's Front Of Judea, we're the Judean People's Front.
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I am thinking of disassociating my self from the radical group on here who hijack threads! :lol:
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Jan 19 2006, 10:15 AM
I am thinking of disassociating my self from the radical group on here who hijack threads! :lol:

:lol:

we'd just kidnap you rupe, stow you in the basement of the bb and force your family to buy us beer......as you always seem so reluctant to do :D
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Blues
Jan 19 2006, 09:39 AM
We're not the People's Front Of Judea, we're the Judean People's Front.

oh i thought we were the popular front.
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dr.nick
Jan 19 2006, 10:30 AM
Blues
Jan 19 2006, 09:39 AM
We're not the People's Front Of Judea, we're the Judean People's Front.

oh i thought we were the popular front.

What happened to the Popular Front ?

etc. etc.
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Jan 19 2006, 11:04 AM
dr.nick
Jan 19 2006, 10:30 AM
Blues
Jan 19 2006, 09:39 AM
We're not the People's Front Of Judea, we're the Judean People's Front.

oh i thought we were the popular front.

What happened to the Popular Front ?

etc. etc.

he's over there :lol:

SPLITTER!!!
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I'm really, really sorry but I just couldn't resist.

Enjoy.......




ANNOUNCER:
Ladies and gentlemen. The next contest is between... Frank Goliath, the Macedonian baby-crusher, and Boris Mineburg.
BRIAN:
Want some...
VOICE:
Thank you, fellows.
BRIAN:
Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar. Tuscany fried bats.
JUDITH:
I do feel, Reg, that any Anti-Imperialist group like ours must reflect such a divergence of interests within its power-base.
REG:
Agreed. Francis?
FRANCIS:
Yeah. I think Judith's point of view is very valid, Reg, provided the Movement never forgets that it is the inalienable right of every man--
STAN:
Or woman.
FRANCIS:
Or woman... to rid himself--
STAN:
Or herself.
FRANCIS:
Or herself.
REG:
Agreed.
FRANCIS:
Thank you, brother.
STAN:
Or sister.
FRANCIS:
Or sister. Where was I?
REG:
I think you'd finished.
FRANCIS:
Oh. Right.
REG:
Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man--
STAN:
Or woman.
REG:
Why don't you shut up about women, Stan. You're putting us off.
STAN:
Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement, Reg.
FRANCIS:
Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN:
I want to be one.

REG:
What?
STAN:
I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG:
What?!
LORETTA:
It's my right as a man.

JUDITH:
Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA:
I want to have babies.
REG:
You want to have babies?!
LORETTA:
It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG:
But... you can't have babies.
LORETTA:
Don't you oppress me.
REG:
I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA:
[crying]
JUDITH:
Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS:
Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
REG:
What's the point?
FRANCIS:
What?
REG:
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!
FRANCIS:
It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
REG:
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
[trumpets]
[clap clap clap]
GUARD:
Get out there.
BORIS:
It's, um--
GUARD:
Get out there.
BORIS:
It's dangerous out there. Ah ah. Ah! Oh.
[clap clap clap]
[clank]
Ooh.
CROWD:
Aaah. Ohh...

SPECTATOR:
What a load of rubbish.
BRIAN:
Larks' tongues. Otters' noses. Ocelot spleens.
REG:
Got any nuts?
BRIAN:
I haven't got any nuts. Sorry. I've got wrens' livers, badgers' spleens--
REG:
No, no, no.
BRIAN:
Otters' noses?
REG:
I don't want any of that Roman rubbish.
JUDITH:
Why don't you sell proper food?
BRIAN:
Proper food?
REG:
Yeah, not those rich imperialist tit-bits.
BRIAN:
Well, don't blame me. I didn't ask to sell this stuff.
REG:
All right. Bag of otters' noses, then.
FRANCIS:
Make it two.
REG:
Two.
FRANCIS:
Thanks, Reg.
BRIAN:
Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
**** off!
BRIAN:
What?
REG:
Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:
censoreders.
BRIAN:
Can I... join your group?

REG:
No. **** off.
BRIAN:
I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA:
Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.
REG:
Schtum.
JUDITH:
Are you sure?
BRIAN:
Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG:
Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN:
I do!
REG:
Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN:
A lot!
REG:
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the ******* Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!

GOLIATH:
[pant pant pant] Ooh. Ooh. I-- I think I'm about to have a... cardiac arrest. Ooh. Ooh.
SPECTATOR:
Absolutely dreadful. Hmm.
CROWD:
[cheering]
REG:
Yes, brother! Ha ha. What's your name?
BRIAN:
Brian. Brian Cohen.
REG:
We may have a little job for you, Brian.
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it is quality mate - even dr.nick aint that funny :D
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I think I might have to watch that again tonight!
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Jan 19 2006, 11:49 AM
it is quality mate - even dr.nick aint that funny :D

yeah but then again i ainty the monty python team. :D

@blues quality stuff mate **thumbup
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Jan 19 2006, 12:11 PM

yeah but then again i ainty the monty python team. :D


true, but in fairness you do a good impression of the parrot :D :rolleyes:
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Jan 19 2006, 12:17 PM
dr.nick
Jan 19 2006, 12:11 PM

yeah but then again i ainty the monty python team. :D


true, but in fairness you do a good impression of the parrot :D :rolleyes:

:lol:

you do a fine impression of the minstry of silly walks :D
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