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| The Uncomfortable Truth About 'racism'; ...Brum is a prime example. | |
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| darenblueblue | Jan 31 2006, 10:12 PM Post #76 |
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Firstly, probably the best thread I have read in many a year on a massage board. Well done! Its made me feel I know you all a lot better and on the whole, what an intelligent bunch! Turning it round slightly..... I'm a white guy who lives in Brighton. I have an Asian (muslim) missus, a Sri Lankan as a best friend and a black pro boxer as my sparring partner. (boxing) I consider mysef non racist though B_B's thoughts on here did make me think. Living in Brighton you have to be tolerant of all people and I have no problem with gay people. However, I was in the gym a few weeks back when a heavily tatooed couple of gay guys got in the sauna. One of them had a swastika tattooed and covering his own back and racist comments tattooed on each arm. I know this is slightly off track (and I'm sober) but I thought how strange it was for someone in a minority - even in Brighton! - airing such views clearly and constantly. Now, if I had taken offence at the tats I would have probably been called homophobic, such is the feeling in Brighton. If a black, straight, guy had the opposite kind of tats, would he have been allowed in the sauna of would someone have complained? I'm not sure what I'm really getting at here but it kind of makes sense to me. |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Jan 31 2006, 10:23 PM Post #77 |
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a gay guy with a swastika? :blink: |
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| darenblueblue | Jan 31 2006, 10:46 PM Post #78 |
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You get all sorts in Brighton mate....! |
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| Tubs2 | Jan 31 2006, 10:51 PM Post #79 |
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Jassy, you been wondering whose been listening to Nick Griffin too? Are we going to have to get those Bible quotes out again, to show how Christians should stone rape victims and non believers etc? Are we going to be just as hateful to Christians if we do? Or are we going to grow up, and actually look around us and see how Muslims* function in Britian without a problem. It's easier to take Nick Griffins word I suppose. If you really want to believe it that is. I wonder if anyone here can name one Muslim they have met who has enslaved, raped or exterminated one Christian in the name of the Koran. Perhaps they know one Christian who has complained of the same? I'm sure they can. Nick Griffin said it happens ll the time. No? Gazza *With the exception of a few idiots. But then there are Christian fundementalists too, why is nobody complaining about them |
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| mr penguin | Jan 31 2006, 10:58 PM Post #80 |
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My knee-jerk, ill-informed & barely considered theory... The gay community in Brighton is so large & well established that it hardly feels like a minority at all. A Brighton-based gay man therefore might not consider himself as belonging to a minority group & so might not necessarily feel an affinity towards other minorities. Or he might just think that the tats look butch. |
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| darenblueblue | Jan 31 2006, 11:08 PM Post #81 |
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Spot on. Exactly what I was trying to say, I think! |
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| Dal78 | Jan 31 2006, 11:44 PM Post #82 |
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This thread saddened me. It all about harping back to a time that no one can remember because it didn’t exist. We do have things in common with Muslims remember Abraham. Muslims acknowledge Jesus but see him as a prophet not the son of God. The island of great britton has always been ever moving no different to today. More people are leaving the country that entering but that doesn’t make good news. Think why people are coming to our country. It about providing for your family in most instances but trade barriers don’t allow for this. People do want to fit in but are made to feel like outsiders. Just remember it was not allthat long ago that the Irish weren’t welcome in this city buy went on to provide the labour that helped build the city. The same can be said for many cultural groups |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 1 2006, 02:36 AM Post #83 |
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how people can compare the bible to the koran is a mystery to me, the bible has the new testament and has undergone many translations and is open to interpretation,Koran was written almost 1000 years after the Old Testament and over 500 years after the new testament and is still in its original arabic, i am not going to start pulling passages from either book to prove a point. i am only concerned with what has happened recently which is young british born guys blowing themselves up along with innocent victims in our capital city. the president of a country who wants to blow israel of the face of the planet and thinks that he is the mardi, some people think they will have nukes in six months, but i think the article below sums up why things are so peaceful at present. The dispute ended up in litigation and the Court of Appeal ultimately decided in Ms. Begum's favor. As a result, by law British schools must now accept the jilbab. Not only that, but Prime Minister Blair's wife, Cherie Booth, was Ms. Begum's lawyer at the appellate level. Ms. Booth called the ruling "a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry." By contrast, also in 2004, the French government outlawed the hijab, the Muslim headscarf, from public educational institutions, disregarding ferocious opposition both within France and among Islamists worldwide. In Tehran, protesters shouted "Death to France!" and "Death to Chirac the Zionist!" The Palestinian Authority mufti, Ikrima Sa'id Sabri, declared, "French laws banning the hijab constitute a war against Islam as a religion." The Saudi grand mufti, Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh, called them a human rights infringement. When the "Islamic Army in Iraq" kidnapped two French journalists, it threatened their execution unless the hijab ban was revoked. Paris stood firm. What lies behind these contrary responses? The British have seemingly lost interest in their heritage while the French hold on to theirs: As the British ban fox hunting, the French ban hijabs. The former embrace multiculturalism, the latter retain a pride in their historic culture. This contrast in matters of identity makes Britain the Western country most vulnerable to the ravages of radical Islam whereas France, for all its political failings, has held onto a sense of self that may yet see it through. |
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| mr penguin | Feb 1 2006, 08:18 AM Post #84 |
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@ pestcontrol I'm not sure whether you really believe all this stuff or whether you are just being outlandish to provoke a response, but let me assume that these are your genuinely held beliefs.... What are you proposing should be done ? If you were Prime Minister for a year what is it that you would do exactly ? |
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| The Blue Bear | Feb 1 2006, 10:02 AM Post #85 |
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Apologies, you never said white dude, but that is irrelevant, you still chose the guy with the same skin colour as yourself, that was your initial instinct.
I have no reason to doubt you! No worries!
Unfortunately, we live in an age where passers by often turn the other cheek, no matter of colour, race, gender or even age. People these days will more than likely say, "It's nothing to do with me" or "It's none of my business", thats a social problem, and should be discussed as a different topic, I don't see that example as one which is related to this topic, despite the scenario you painted. A few years ago, as I was walking through the main shopping street in Newport, South Wales, I saw a Bloke beating up his girlfriend, I was about to go over, but another bloke got there first. The girlfriends reaction was not one of thanks or gratitude, she turned and attacked this guy, pulled his hair and scratched his face telling him to F OFF and to mind his own business, he stood shocked, and turned his back on the woman beater, a mistake, as the bloke then got punched from behind. The bloke who was beating up his girlfriend then ran away, whilst the girl ran the other way, the good samaritan was left on the floor with people walking past him, pretending they didn't see anything.
Again, I agree, that that kind of approach, was, is and always will be at the forefront of humankinds mind.
Please explain to me whether you view your initial post with the cliff situation as rascist viewpoint/belief or not?
It's not as simple as that is it? What if you met an asian or white woman and fell in love with her? She's not black, and you wouldn't have black kids with her, would you still commit to the realtionship?
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| The Blue Bear | Feb 1 2006, 10:03 AM Post #86 |
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Blimey! I bet it's fun watching the cricket World Cup in your house! **thumbup |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 1 2006, 10:21 AM Post #87 |
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@ mr pengiun well first off i would pull all our troops out of this made up war as most of these people dont want democracy, i would make every illegal in this country a british citizen and then i would hold a referendum on immigration as non of the british people were told they were to be part of a experiment and i dont wish to see the laboratory blown up. i would then hold a second referendum on the eu as when we joined it was all about trade and not losing our right to govern and third i would hold an inquiry on the 147 unelected organisations that say they speak on behalf of the muslim people, "well those ones that mr blair has been sucking up to" if we were forced into war i would expect every single pearson in the land to recieve the same money as the lowest paid front line troops until the war was over. and everybody in my political party would have to live for one month with a family from a poor community because i believe these politicians are not living in the real world. but one things for sure i dont think even i could make such a mess as these idiots are doing. |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 1 2006, 10:22 AM Post #88 |
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| darenblueblue | Feb 1 2006, 10:23 AM Post #89 |
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I guess this point, although tongue in cheek kind of sums up the 'should people integrate or not?' question. My missus loves cricket and was as nervous as me watching the Ashes. Supporting England like a good un. Her Dad, who lives in Brum, was supporting the Aussies because he wanted England to lose. My Sri Lankan friend was a big England fan and my black mate couldn't give a monkeys as he "doesn't understand the rules". Boxers eh?! **thumbup |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 1 2006, 12:52 PM Post #90 |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Feb 1 2006, 02:18 PM Post #91 |
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i think the main reason as to why the Koran and the Bible are very different is because... in the bible, you'll see something like, do not steal (and that's under any circumstance DO NOT STEAL) in the Koran, you'll see something like, do not kill UNLESS it's in the name of Allah. then it's alright. so you can probbaly understand a little as to why Christians and muslims would react in certain situations. apologies if i have offended any followers of the religion of Islam :ph43r: |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 1 2006, 02:27 PM Post #92 |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Feb 1 2006, 02:33 PM Post #93 |
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i believe that it was unfair discrimination. it's not because i find a non-blacks persons life as less valuable than a black persons, certainly not. if i could strike up a conversation with the 2 guys on the cliff, and i found out that the black guy was a complete fanny-head, then i would change my view on who to save first. but in a high-pressure situation where time would be the major limitation. i would just ASSUME that as the African Carribean man would come from the same background as me.
i would prefer African-Carribean wife and kids because i love my background, i love my heritage, it's something i wish to preserve. i know i cant impose this view on my kids and their grandchildren. but i look at my family now, from my brothers, cousins, aunties and uncles and i wouldnt really want it any other way. i love the food we eat, our sense of humour our attitude to situations, the general culture we have. it's a real ''Soul Food'' kinda family, a real close-knit family. i wouldnt know if i'd like to give this up, it's something very special to me, like how many Asians and Whites will cherish their heritage, food and culture etc. |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Feb 1 2006, 03:16 PM Post #94 |
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would prefer African-Carribean wife and kids because i love my background, i love my heritage, it's something i wish to preserve. i know i cant impose this view on my kids and their grandchildren. but i look at my family now, from my brothers, cousins, aunties and uncles and i wouldnt really want it any other way. i love the food we eat, our sense of humour our attitude to situations, the general culture we have. it's a real ''Soul Food'' kinda family, a real close-knit family. i wouldnt know if i'd like to give this up, it's something very special to me, like how many Asians and Whites will cherish their heritage, food and culture etc. As a white women married to a black man, i agree with everythin you have said about the culture. Even before i was with my hubby i embraced the black culture through friends and previous partners. There is something about it that is very hard to put into words - but it makes you feel at ease. When me and my hubby do have kids then they will obviously be mixed race but i want them to know all about their black culture as it is not something that they will learn in school. It will be down to my husband and his family to instill this into our children. Before anyone says of course they will be exposed equally to the white culture, traditions, values and food and it will be their choice as to what culture they decided to embrace more than the other. You cant choose for your children. The Concerned Potato Head - for someone fairly young you seem very articulate in your choose of words **thumbup |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Feb 1 2006, 03:24 PM Post #95 |
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thank you. :P i have a White auntie, and everyone in our family treats her like anyone else in the family and she has adapted to the Carribbean way of living very well hi Julie! :lol: |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Feb 1 2006, 03:27 PM Post #96 |
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I certainly aint old enough to be your auntie :( |
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| The_Bear | Feb 1 2006, 03:33 PM Post #97 |
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Why would you assume from the colour of someones skin that they come from the same culture as you? I am white, my partner is white, I am British, She is Italian, our cultures are very different. How do you know from just looking? If a black person has been come from a family that has been in the uk for 200 years is he/she anymore or less British than me? |
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| mr penguin | Feb 1 2006, 03:34 PM Post #98 |
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What would the question be ? |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 1 2006, 03:54 PM Post #99 |
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sounds to me that its the family that you appreciate ;) sounds a lot like mine (not affro carribean though) I am now engaged to a fantastic women whos father is asian and couldn't be happier!! when you meet the right person you know its the one and nothing else matters think whats important is the people around you! I don't believe that the race or colour is important as there is good and bad in all walks of life! any way stay happy my friend **thumbup |
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| StAndrews4Eva | Feb 1 2006, 04:02 PM Post #100 |
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Its not a case of being any less british than the other. No matter if a black family have been brought up in this country for the last 200 years, one of the 1st things that is taught is the history and roots of black people in this world. Its a forgone conclusion that a black child will be taught these things no matter what. The majority of black families bring their children up with the same values as each other - there are a lot more differencies in upbringing in white culture than black. |
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