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| garrybaldy | Feb 1 2006, 04:19 PM Post #101 |
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black people are no more family orientated than me or any asian . I love my heritage, i love my culture, i have a big close knit family as do most asians, oh what a super scenario you portray :rolleyes: |
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| The_Bear | Feb 1 2006, 05:13 PM Post #102 |
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Its not a case of who is British or not, the point I was trying to make is that you may have the same colour skin as the person next to you but that doesn't mean that you have the same culture. |
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| mccp | Feb 1 2006, 07:07 PM Post #103 |
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I used to work with a locked down, sawn off NF guy. He always had this argument, and I suppose the modern equivalent is "culture". He used to say that if he was born on the Moon, he would still be an Englishman. But if a someone with a black skin was born on the moon, he would still be an African or Carribean. So that argument, in terms of race was founded colour. When you start getting down to shades of colour, Bear, perhaps your wife (Italian), would not pass muster with my ex-colleague. But what does it matter, black, brown, olive, tanned??? It is where you want to be, where you feel you belong, surely. That is how you determine your own self. And to try and exclude people by "culture", "colour" or origin is to weaken a society. Where would our society be without the Huegenouts, the Jewish, the Carribean skills and vibrancy that make up the UK? We would be like the French, developing a social apartheid UN-INTENTIONALLY. ;) |
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| The_Bear | Feb 1 2006, 07:11 PM Post #104 |
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Thats my point, ;) |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 1 2006, 07:24 PM Post #105 |
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Another reason why we might compare the Bible and the Quran is because the stem from the same root. They both have fathers in Abraham. The Quran also praises Jesus, not as the son of god but as a profit. Let's not forget that Christianity, far from being English, which is the assumption many seem to make here, shares its birth place with Judaism and Islam. So if we can accept on middle eastern religion, is it not hypocritical not to accept another? It is widely recognised that each started as one religion. As an atheist, I believe that the 3 religious texts were written a long time ago by intolerant men. If there is a god, he had no hand in putting his word on paper. So to compare the Quran to the Bible isn't such a great leap of logic. In fact to ignore their similarities is illogical. Gazza |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Feb 1 2006, 07:46 PM Post #106 |
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^^^...an extract from Truth.com **thumbup |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 1 2006, 10:15 PM Post #107 |
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spot on gazza like you said earlier it is easy to quote the worst of religious texts... personally I don't think it gets us anywhere!! usless you are a fanatic that is going to use it for evil! most people are following their chosen religion peacefully and along side others with no problems at all ;) |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 2 2006, 08:47 AM Post #108 |
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i was born in kingsly rd balsall heath in 1955 i still remember the tin bath outside toilet, i went to clifton rd infant school, we had the first asian immigrants in our rd and possibly the whole area move in next door, there must of been thirty or more packed in that little house, i never ever seen an asian woman go in or out of that house and i suspect it was all men, my mother was very active in the church and my father was ex army royal waricks under monty and was even more active in the bookmakers and whist drives if thats the correct name. i had two much older brothers and a sister, things i remember about the asians at that time,an elderly asian man always used to go to the top of the garden two or 3 times a day and somtimes of a night, so i decided to see what he was up to, you can forget the shower scene in psycho or even jason v freddie, somthing was running around banging in to stuff and as i looked at the asian the axe was already falling on the second victim its head goes one way as its body tries to find its mate, the old asian guy was laughing and pointed as the two ran into each other. i can only remember my father crying laughing two times in his life and he lived to be 80, the first time was at me as i tried to explain about what was happening next door, and the second time was the nun with the cane in the blues brothers as she beat the one down the stairs. i was only seven at the time, but in a twist of irony i owe that old asian man, because i know that war deeply affected my father as in his 80 years he never ever spoke a word about it. the asians could only speak two or three words of english and my mother had nothing but praise for them, i know my father never had a racist bone in his body because lester piggot was the biggest f---ing wa---- in the world and our asian neighbours were well down the list. the only people and things i remember from clifton rd school, mr white or chalkie white a teacher, jindur singh who had hair down to his knees and was constantly taking off his turban to tie it into a giant bun and refused to ever have it cut, michael cox and etson benjimin who spoke the queens english and who"s parents were so strict it was about two years before i ever met them. the ice cream shop on ladypool rd, england winning the world cup,dense fog, deep snow drifts, jammie doggers, the dil ruba cafe on brighton rd were we used to play them machines like flippers but with numbers 3 in a line 4 credits 4=16 5=92 and you could cash them in at 6p a throw, the greek cafe opposite the old cinema moseley rd the greeks would be playing a table football game at £100 a game even then. just a quick rant about my early life because i have had to much drink, we moved to melrose avenue off woodfield rd and still had a tin bath. |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 2 2006, 08:58 AM Post #109 |
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wtf** bit early aint it :o |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 2 2006, 09:13 AM Post #110 |
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all 100% true jassy i have just showed my mother who is 91 and just got up :D |
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| mr penguin | Feb 2 2006, 09:58 AM Post #111 |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 2 2006, 10:17 AM Post #112 |
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can't wait till im old and can be p155ed at 9am and no one will moan :lol: |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 2 2006, 06:39 PM Post #113 |
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i have not forgot your question, and i am still thinking about the solution. |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 2 2006, 10:27 PM Post #114 |
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While at work, I tap away on my Keyboard while wearing earphones and listen to music and radio. Most days (unless I'm in a meeting or working in such a way that I can't) I listen to the Radio 4 afternoon play. Today, the topic of the play fitted very much with the theme of this thread. It's set in Birmingham, the two lead characters are Brummie, one is a Bluenose and their cross cultural relationship is under threat from outside bigotry. Not the best play I've heard but worth a listen and as I say, seemed very topical. The play is called Ties and if you want to listen while surfing (it's on for 45 minutes) follow the below links: - Afternoon Play "Listen Again" Site: Listen Again - Afternoon Play Today's Afternoon Play, Ties: Afternoon Play - Ties The play will be on the site until next Thursday. Gazza |
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| DANY | Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM Post #115 |
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Thats complete and utter rubbish, i have researched out of personal interest some of the stuff in the Quran and to compare it to the bible is insulting. They are both religoius texts, the similarity stops there. One teaches peace love and morals, the other teaches violence aggression and hatred. |
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| DANY | Feb 2 2006, 10:37 PM Post #116 |
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I dont think we needed a referendum on immigration. We elect our governments to serve our best interests, its their responsiblity to take the correct decisions in the intests of Britain, to serve and protect us. Do we really need a reforendum to decided wheather letting endless scores of western hating, fanatical foreigners into the country is going to make Britain a better and safer place?? |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 2 2006, 10:41 PM Post #117 |
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Is it the bible that teaches aggression? After all it does say: -
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And many, many more. Dany, have you ever read either the Quran or the Bible? Like the BNP, you massage the facts to fit your own preconceptions. As I've said, they were both written a long time ago by intollerant men. Modern scholars interpret them in ways of peace and tollerance. However there are idiots who follow both reliegions who take them quite literally. You just seem selective in your judgement. In the same way Muslim Extremists are? Gazza |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 2 2006, 10:42 PM Post #118 |
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What would make the world safer is tolerance. Perhaps you should try it. Gazza |
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| alfred E nueman | Feb 2 2006, 11:18 PM Post #119 |
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This is weird... thats what the Americans are saying about us.... the liberal limeys infesting their culture.....really strange. Does everyone have to hate those on the east of them? Makes you think :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| pestcontrol | Feb 3 2006, 04:33 AM Post #120 |
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islam is followed in the same way today as it was back in the dark ages as are most of the laws, christianity has undergone many changes mainly to keep pace with the modern world, gay priests, woman priests, etc etc, i would have thought that the koran would have been more tolerant and understanding of other religions as it was written 1000 years after the old testament, the fact that a new convert to islam with a beautiful wife and new born baby along with three friends who were all born and educated here could commit those attrocities against fellow brits should stretch peoples tolerance to the limit, and having trial runs beforhand stretches it even more. the fact that some cartoons can cause so much uproar by millions even though they were published in a western paper, i could go on and on, history says alot about religion but when its mixed with law and a dose of politics?, if i cant laugh and crack a joke about somthing much like dave allen used to, i dont wont that somthing dictating my way of life im not that tolerant. |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 3 2006, 08:55 AM Post #121 |
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In the Islamic religion it is forbidden to worship a figure/ person… see this is where many arguments arise… God is seen as a spirit, not a man…. hence it is forbidden to draw ‘ a god’. This is why there has been uproar as not only was he drawn, he had a bomb on his head just for the fun of it!!! They are tasteless and I fail to see why they are funny or anything to do with freedom of speech!! |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 3 2006, 09:00 AM Post #122 |
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dany we have had this argument before and why don't you just save your self the embarrassment now and go with your tail between your legs! We all know that you are a racist BNP follower... how can we take anything you say about Islam seriously?? |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 3 2006, 12:58 PM Post #123 |
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In both cases you make grand generalisations and apply those across the whole faith of both religions. In the case of Christianity, are you sure we've moved on? Even our great saviour Mr Bush believes in "intelligent design" and a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis. He ignores the scientific evidence of Darwin, Hubble, Hawkins, Einstein and quite frankly, the bleedin' obvious. Mr Bush is pro life and pro capital punishment. Sort of contradictory that. But it is Gods word. He thinks. The Popes modernisation of the Christian church has done more to spread Aids than ignorance could ever have achieved. There are no Christian extremists? So nobody clinicians have ever been murdered by Christian pro life groups? School children have never been stoned by grown men in Northern Ireland for walking through the wrong denomination of street? Are all Muslims in the Dark Ages? Of course not. For instance Shazia Mirza is a female and Muslim comic. A very funny woman and much of her act is based on her faith. Every single Muslim I speak to doesn't share the extreme opinions you label them with here. As for Islam dictating your life? Really? It doesn't mine. I have got through life with Muslim friends. Not one has ever pressured me to convert to Islam. I have never had a Muslim knock on my door and ask me if I have accepted Allah in my heart. Can we really say the same about Christianity? Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses anyone? While I don't mind Christians trying to save my soul (after all, they believe they are doing it for me sake), it is certainly Christianity that has interfered (for want of a better word) with a greater part of my life. Muslims suppressing free speech against the all tolerant Christians? I have 4 words: The Jerry Springer Opera. You seem all to willing to ignore the extremism of small groups of Christians while label the entire faith of Islam by the actions of a minority of Muslims. How d'ya work that out? Gazza |
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| jassyblue80 | Feb 3 2006, 01:17 PM Post #124 |
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That just sums up exactly what I've been trying to say for ages **thumbup This is exactly what far right groups like the BNP do all of the time Did you see the stuff about griffen? thats exactly what he does... riffles through the Koran selecting what suites his gain... doing the same in the case of the bible!! There seems to be a few on here who are doing exactly the same!! Didn’t someone called Hitler kill and torture for something very similar about Jews and purity? Persecution is wrong……. So why do we just sit back and allow it to happen? What’s the famous poem again?? …. First they came for the Jews, but I did not speak out as I am not a Jew?… |
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| The_Bear | Feb 3 2006, 01:36 PM Post #125 |
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Edmund Burke - All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. |
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