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Topic Started: Mar 23 2006, 12:25 PM (438 Views)
Slickbcfc
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OK all, ive read all of the moaning about our game of hoofball to Heskey, yes i agree with you all, we play hoofball.

WHY?

1. Name a Decent FIT ALWAYS Passer of the ball?

2. Our Forward, cannot play on the deck, his strength his his aerial dominence

3. When we have had a fully fit midfield with the likes of dunn, pennent, nafti, and gray like our 2-0 win over liverpool last season, the football we played was extremly good, it was fast flowing through the midfield.

4. Relief of pressure, the amount of pressure our Centre halfs are under from a lack of battle in midfield is scary (i myself play CB and hate it when our captain broke his leg last season, he was our DMC and when he was off it was constant pressure against the Back 4, meaning it was safer to hit it away, not mess around and look for a pass).

5. Its got nothing to do with Black or any of the other backroom staff, how do any of us know that they are bad, have we seen them talking to the team in training? NO we dont know anything for sure.

Now i know not what will come the end of this season but i know that this season was terrible for may reasons, i feel as fans our moaning on here will only succeed in getting us bitter to one another and arguements will break out between us next, this is not what supporting a football team is about, its about ups and downs and enjoying the highs and lows. We have good players (Albeit when fit) But us booing them fecks there confidence up good and proper, I propose for the last few games we show the team we still Believe in them and bruce, let his name ring through the Tilton and give this man his last chance to win us over. FFS guys, im begging you all, no anti Bruce or blues chanting, lets get it together and support our lads to whatever end. i know for sure that supporting blues means everything to me and yes i get angry but it passes. supporting this lot is more exciting then maure or chelski.


COME ON BOYS AND BRUCIE

Karl
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1. why did bruce never buy another one to cover injuries he knew were there?? he said himself izzett and dunn would be injured to christmas

2. play two up frony and give yourself another option - failing that try getting heskey to practice his control

3. yep agree, but if two are injured fair enough, but why play the other a left back and not left wing where he was so good.

4. he has played two defensive midfielders in front of them all season, what more protection do they want??!!! perhaps if he had bought/played a better ball holding midfielder in the centre of the park then they would not resort to hoofing up to eskey only for the ball to come straight back at them

5. agree, although the only proof many have is on the pitch and to be fair to them it aint great is it!!!!

our biggest problem that has never been sorted out is the lack of movement by our whole team. we are static whenever we attack and no one is ever looking for a pass. yes the players should do this anyway, but if they are not then this boils down to the coaching
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Maybe if they learnt to play the beautifull game from the masters BRAZIL then we would be able to pass the ball all over the field.In fact come to think of it but I have seen blues games where we have passed it around all game and not huffed it up field.
Huffing up field is just a lazymans way of passing,Our defence can always pass their way out of trouble like a lot of other teams do.If we have the ball,the pressure is on the other team and that should bred confidence in our players.
I hate huff ball tactics and will not accept it from the blues.
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1. Name a Decent FIT ALWAYS Passer of the ball?
The one that we should have signed instead of wasting our budget on highly paid crocks.

2. Our Forward, cannot play on the deck, his strength his his aerial dominence
Bruce signed him. Bruce selects him. Bruce determines the tactics.

3. When we have had a fully fit midfield with the likes of dunn, pennent, nafti, and gray like our 2-0 win over liverpool last season, the football we played was extremly good, it was fast flowing through the midfield.
That's nice, but 77 points from 78 games tells its own story.

4. Relief of pressure, the amount of pressure our Centre halfs are under from a lack of battle in midfield is scary (i myself play CB and hate it when our captain broke his leg last season, he was our DMC and when he was off it was constant pressure against the Back 4, meaning it was safer to hit it away, not mess around and look for a pass).
Yeah, Brucie, we need a central midfield of DJ-Butt-Clem-Tebs-Clapham. FFS our back 4 have had more protection than a securicor van carrying a load of gold plated condoms.

5. Its got nothing to do with Black or any of the other backroom staff, how do any of us know that they are bad
77 pts from 78 games. Call it a hunch.

and bruce, let his name ring through the Tilton
You may well have your wish pretty soon ;)
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I for one agree with the original poster and have been making the point for a while - the players themselves are as responsible for the style of play as anyone else.

Right now I think Confidence is the issue. Had painter had any confidence on Tuesday he would have stayed on the ball a little longer and picked out a ball to feet. The thing is you could see he was scared to do that and would only play it short if he could see the short straight away (i.e. he never actively looked for it for a second or two) if it wasn't there he just hit a completely aimless long ball forward (Which was more often than not).

Then you have certain players themselves. Tiny loves to pass it out and rarely plays a long aimless ball (shame he's not agressive enough to be as effective as he could be) while Upson can't do anything except hit it long.

It depends on who's playing. When we have a player like Izzet coming deep to pick it up (or at least give people an option) then we don't knock it long as much.

Greast Post Slick - you clearly know your stuff and then some. Only point i'd disagree with you on is that Forssell and DJ can only play on the floor - while Sutton and Heskey have proven throughout their careers (mainly at Celtic and Liverpool respectively) that they are more than capable of playing on the ground, they just need the right players around them.
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There is only 1 person responsible for how the team plays,that is the manager.If players arent doing as they are asked they should be dropped and or sold.
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Now i know not what will come the end of this season but i know that this season was terrible for may reasons, i feel as fans our moaning on here will only succeed in getting us bitter to one another and arguements will break out between us next, this is not what supporting a football team is about, its about ups and downs and enjoying the highs and lows. We have good players (Albeit when fit) But us booing them fecks there confidence up good and proper, I propose for the last few games we show the team we still Believe in them and bruce, let his name ring through the Tilton and give this man his last chance to win us over. FFS guys, im begging you all, no anti Bruce or blues chanting, lets get it together and support our lads to whatever end. i know for sure that supporting blues means everything to me and yes i get angry but it passes. supporting this lot is more exciting then maure or chelski.


What gets me about these "lets all pull together" arguments is that basically they are saying "lets all pull together with my opinion of whats happening"

I don't mind anyone having an opinion, but it strikes me that there are several posters who hide behind the "lets pull together" message to basically censor things that are being said.

"Don't rock the boat" is the message "Bruce/the players/the board might get upset"

Well frankly, pussy footing about has got us no-where. Beating around "staying positive" got us to 0-7. Getting "behind Bruce" has got us one of the most lethargic and complacent teams the Premier League has had the misfortune to see.

The reason for our demise and probable relegation is Steve Bruce. Sullivan is admitting as much. There is no discipline, the players are lax and are doing as they like. There have been to many bad signing, uncommitted players, no tactics and no bottle and the sooner the cause of that goes the better.

We were complacent in the summer, complacent all season. Its not been helped with the board backing Bruce whatever - they should have told him earlier that this mess isn't good enough

If that means shouting for Bruce's head then so be it. If that means disruption and we go down, then so be it. It would be a disaster for Steve Bruce to get the chance to manage this club for one more day than we have to put up with him

Bruce out!
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this should be a short thread

:lol:

the only thing we can say is that IT IS STILL IN OUR HANDS

IMO if bruce stays it doesnt matter WERE DEAD MEN !!

this has been going on since the start of the season

i am bored of the bull / the excuses / the fighting talk

HE HAS NOT been able turn it around thus far

I SEE NO REASON TO BELIEVE HE CAN NOW

!! more about getting players back today !!

IM SICK OF IT !! they were injured at the start of the season

its a F****** joke

"no"
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I dont care if no one in the world agreeded with my opinion of my football club...that was not my point, i want us a fans to never give up hope till we are Relegted or we have achieved survival.

Its like in football, people say play till the whistle, this is the same here ive heard no whistle yet?

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can someone tell the players that to stop at the whistle , they must first START to play :ph43r:
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Hooby Groovy
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I dont care if no one in the world agreeded with my opinion of my football club...that was not my point, i want us a fans to never give up hope till we are Relegted or we have achieved survival.

Its like in football, people say play till the whistle, this is the same here ive heard no whistle yet?

KROTTEOTR


Why? Whats the point?

We can do all we like, but while we have such an incompetent in charge of such a group of spinless players then we don't have any chance.

I watched the game again on video last night, it was painfull, but I was almost apoplectic at the end when it clearly showed Clemence walking off at the end with Matteo smiling. Cut then to Pennant swapping shirts - this is what it means to them, nothing

And Bruce, he stands firmly to the side with a face like a baboons backside talking about "we'll be OK when everones back" - when everyones back! He has been saying that for 2 years now, they've never all been back, they never all will be back because they know they are on a cushy number.

We can all get together as much as anyone wants, all sing and cheer and bring flags - but you won't catch the players putting in that effort, and you won't catch the manager making them put in any effort - he'll be head down in the Bumper Book of Brucie Excuses

Bruce out!
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we'll be OK when everones back" - when everyones back! He has been saying that for 2 years now, they've never all been back, they never all will be back because they know they are on a cushy number.


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Slickbcfc
Mar 23 2006, 03:18 PM
I dont care if no one in the world agreeded with my opinion of my football club...that was not my point, i want us a fans to never give up hope till we are Relegted or we have achieved survival.

Its like in football, people say play till the whistle, this is the same here ive heard no whistle yet?

KROTTEOTR

Sometimes in life you have to take one step backwards in order to take two steps forward, and this has been the case with our club for a season and a half now !

I and many others hoped on various occasions that we had seen that step backwards, take your pick of home defeats to palace, norwich etc last season, this years pre-season, our early home form this season, our general form this season, the debacle at man city, the debacle against wba, the cumulation of it all in the shambles upon tuesday night, these have all been big enough steps back for myself and many others !

We now need the step forward, and until we sack bruce and take that step back, we wont see it ! God knows if our impending relegation will provide the step back in the boards eyes, but if it does, and he goes, at least i and many others can look forward to stepping forward again, albeit at a lower level !

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Sometimes in life you have to take one step backwards in order to take two steps forward, and this has been the case with our club for a season and a half now !

I and many others hoped on various occasions that we had seen that step backwards, take your pick of home defeats to palace, norwich etc last season, this years pre-season, our early home form this season, our general form this season, the debacle at man city, the debacle against wba, the cumulation of it all in the shambles upon tuesday night, these have all been big enough steps back for myself and many others !

We now need the step forward, and until we sack bruce and take that step back, we wont see it ! God knows if our impending relegation will provide the step back in the boards eyes, but if it does, and he goes, at least i and many others can look forward to stepping forward again, albeit at a lower level !


I'm beginning to see relegation as a positive move, why? Because it would mean the end of Steve Bruce

The club needs transforming top to bottom, the academy, the reserves, the coaching, the training

We need new players, of the ones we've got I would keep Vaesen, Campbell and Forssell, and only Forssell because we wouldn't get anything for him and I think he would make a decent Championship striker

The rest can all clear off and I don't care if I never see them again, that includes Bruce, Black, Bullivant and Bertschin

For me, staying-up would be a side-ways move, the call of Bruce to stay would grow and we'd be in exactly the same position as before, lots of overpaid prima-donna's picking up their wages for sitting on the sidelines with another "hamstring pull", Bruce blaming everone and anyone except himself and Black doing, well whatever it is he does. The reserves still rubbish and the academy standing in their 1994 timewarp.

Bruce out!
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Sometimes in life you have to take one step backwards in order to take two steps forward, and this has been the case with our club for a season and a half now !

I and many others hoped on various occasions that we had seen that step backwards, take your pick of home defeats to palace, norwich etc last season, this years pre-season, our early home form this season, our general form this season, the debacle at man city, the debacle against wba, the cumulation of it all in the shambles upon tuesday night, these have all been big enough steps back for myself and many others !

We now need the step forward, and until we sack bruce and take that step back, we wont see it ! God knows if our impending relegation will provide the step back in the boards eyes, but if it does, and he goes, at least i and many others can look forward to stepping forward again, albeit at a lower level !


I'm beginning to see relegation as a positive move, why? Because it would mean the end of Steve Bruce

The club needs transforming top to bottom, the academy, the reserves, the coaching, the training

We need new players, of the ones we've got I would keep Vaesen, Campbell and Forssell, and only Forssell because we wouldn't get anything for him and I think he would make a decent Championship striker

The rest can all clear off and I don't care if I never see them again, that includes Bruce, Black, Bullivant and Bertschin

For me, staying-up would be a side-ways move, the call of Bruce to stay would grow and we'd be in exactly the same position as before, lots of overpaid prima-donna's picking up their wages for sitting on the sidelines with another "hamstring pull", Bruce blaming everone and anyone except himself and Black doing, well whatever it is he does. The reserves still rubbish and the academy standing in their 1994 timewarp.

Bruce out!

Totally agree.

If Bruce does keep us up this season then i will be glad - but we know we will have more of the same to follow.

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I'm beginning to see relegation as a positive move

I know what you mean but relegation would be a huge setback in every other sense.

In a way I think that the 7-0 is a blessing in disguise. It went through my mind when we were 2-0 down that we might be better getting thrashed than getting knocked out by two or three nil.

It was such a drubbing that - whatever they say in public - nobody at the club can pretend that things are ok anymore. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the last straw for sully & for dg & that brucie will be gone by the summer.

From sully's comments yesterday, I think he agrees with you that the "club needs transforming top to bottom, the academy, the reserves, the coaching, the training". He would probably add player discipline to that list too.

I think there is enough desire for change now for it to happen without having to be relegated.
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I think there is enough desire for change now for it to happen without having to be relegated


I hope so Penguin, I really hope so

But I fear that if we were to stay-up David Gold would stick with his mate

We see it on here, we know that the "there's no point changing it now" posters will move to "well, lets give him the start of the season" and we'll bumble on and on and on

The result on Tuesday has certainly woken me up, I knew Bruce was bad, but its made me realise that there is a rot right throughout the club
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Did I miss something? I didn't see Clemence walking off with Matteo at the end?!
Joe Gallagher made a great point in the Mail on the eve of the game. He said that it didnt surprise him that we hoofed it to Heskey because the midfield is so poor. The defence either wont give it to them or if they do it goes square and then backwards, so they clear their lines (usually up the field, not up in the air like Melchiot did again in the first minute).Why do you think Forssell keeps going on about how our football is too slow, square and nobody threads a ball forwards - because the players are incapable of doing it, apart from Dunn and Kilkenny. We haven't got any leaders in the team, they are quite as mice, and where's Jarosik in our time of need? Nursing a 'hamstring'? Hmmmm. We're doomed, whoever the manager is. Next season will be the same because there won't be proper investment in quality players, backroom and medical. You just know we won't spend the money!
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Did I miss something? I didn't see Clemence walking off with Matteo at the end?!
Joe Gallagher made a great point in the Mail on the eve of the game. He said that it didnt surprise him that we hoofed it to Heskey because the midfield is so poor. The defence either wont give it to them or if they do it goes square and then backwards, so they clear their lines (usually up the field, not up in the air like Melchiot did again in the first minute).Why do you think Forssell keeps going on about how our football is too slow, square and nobody threads a ball forwards - because the players are incapable of doing it, apart from Dunn and Kilkenny. We haven't got any leaders in the team, they are quite as mice, and where's Jarosik in our time of need? Nursing a 'hamstring'? Hmmmm. We're doomed, whoever the manager is. Next season will be the same because there won't be proper investment in quality players, backroom and medical. You just know we won't spend the money!

I've been saying that for a while, get the right players in and you'll play the right football.

But i think its worth saying that getting the balance and shape right can also help. We didn't have great players when we first got up but at times we played better football than we've done in the last 18 months or so - the reason the balance was better and included no one playing out of position.
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Hooby Groovy
Mar 23 2006, 03:51 PM
I'm beginning to see relegation as a positive move

I know what you mean but relegation would be a huge setback in every other sense.

In a way I think that the 7-0 is a blessing in disguise. It went through my mind when we were 2-0 down that we might be better getting thrashed than getting knocked out by two or three nil.

It was such a drubbing that - whatever they say in public - nobody at the club can pretend that things are ok anymore. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the last straw for sully & for dg & that brucie will be gone by the summer.

From sully's comments yesterday, I think he agrees with you that the "club needs transforming top to bottom, the academy, the reserves, the coaching, the training". He would probably add player discipline to that list too.

I think there is enough desire for change now for it to happen without having to be relegated.

Top post Penguin

It's a funny old game as they say and I sense the drubbing Liverpool gave us in the Cup might just be the launching pad of a 'new era' at St Andrews

Without Mr 'Inept one with the prominent nose' of course

Here's to 2006/07 in the Prem with a NEW manager and coaching staff ,NEW players and NEW ideas.....throughout the club

And **** the new stadium....let's make SA an 38,000 cap modern all seater....and let's hope that CURSE has finally and truly GONE

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Mar 23 2006, 04:01 PM

I know what you mean but relegation would be a huge setback in every other sense.

In a way I think that the 7-0 is a blessing in disguise. It went through my mind when we were 2-0 down that we might be better getting thrashed than getting knocked out by two or three nil.

It was such a drubbing that - whatever they say in public - nobody at the club can pretend that things are ok anymore. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the last straw for sully & for dg & that brucie will be gone by the summer.

From sully's comments yesterday, I think he agrees with you that the "club needs transforming top to bottom, the academy, the reserves, the coaching, the training". He would probably add player discipline to that list too.

I think there is enough desire for change now for it to happen without having to be relegated. [/QUOTE]
Good well argued post, Penguin, but I can't help but think that there is more than just a hint of 'wishful thinking' in there.

Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having hope, providing it doesn't hinder progress.

For example, for so long so many fans had hope that Steve Bruce would turn this season round. So they sat back and waited for that to happen. It didn't. Result: We are going down, and the same incompetent manager who has presided over our demise is guaranteed of being given the chance of getting us back up. We all know now, well most of us, that he doesn't have the right credentials to do so. We should have made our views known earlier.

A case of hope hindering progress.

So now we hope that the Board, and particularly Mr Sullivan, have recognised the problems and will address them. We hope that there will be the desire to transfer the club from top to bottom. To finish the job they started. We hope that they want to turn the club into a success story on the field, as well as a successfull business. So we will sit back and wait for that to happen.

Let's hope we are not wasting time again.

It took a long time for fans to recognise the truth abour Bruce. How long will it take before fans recognise the truth about the owners?

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Why if we stay up do we have more of the same to follow?

Look at teams like Everton and Charlton, they had crap seasons then the next season finished 4th and 9th respectively, football is odd you cannot predict what will happen ever!

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Why if we stay up do we have more of the same to follow?

Look at teams like Everton and Charlton, they had crap seasons then the next season finished 4th and 9th respectively, football is odd you cannot predict what will happen ever!


But Everton and Charlton have far better managers than we have

One thing about Bruce - he is predictable
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Absolute rubbish, West Ham fans were calling for Pardrews head this time a year ago, they backed him and he has given them what they want, charlton fans rubbished Curbs, he is still there, No one was on Steves back when he was beating Liverpool and achieving our highest placed finish in the top flight!

He is the same manager who got us in this leauge, no one was moaning when we did the villa 4 times and drew the others................

Its the same bloke that when we have a bad season we turn on him. Is that Loyalty like he has shown us???

I dont remember people wishing him to go when the Toon were sniffing around him?

Think on it

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