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Gordon Taylor
Topic Started: Mar 24 2006, 09:42 AM (515 Views)
tim
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http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/060324/4/i93d.html

Players' chief Gordon Taylor claims Birmingham co-owner David Sullivan was wrong to go public with his criticism of the club's under-performing players.

Sullivan accused Birmingham's relegation-threatened stars of failing to justify their wages and of ignoring club events at which their attendance was expected.

His outburst came in the wake of Birmingham's 7-0 FA Cup quarter-final defeat to Liverpool, with Sullivan saying: "I've got to a point now where I don't like footballers."

However Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Taylor told The Sun: "The important thing is to stay strong together and make a concerted attempt at avoiding relegation.

"Going public the way David Sullivan did would not be encouraged in any motivational seminar. This is have the problem with football as it is - It's run as a business - IMO he is wrong - what sullivan said should of been said weeks, if not months ago

"It would be better to count to 10 and take the criticism." I reckon Sullivan had got to 10 million and then decided to say something

Taylor, a former Blues player, insisted Birmingham's players would not necessarily respond in a positive fashion to Sullivan's remarks. Steve Bruce's third-bottom side face Manchester United on Sunday in the Barclays Premiership.

He added: "It's a time for strong leadership and no general ever got forward with his troops by lambasting them in public." How about "it's time these over paid numpties perform to the level they should"
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i understand taylor's views, but imo he's wrong. ds has every right to say what he likes and the players are in the public domain whether they like it or not. they're happy to take the praise and the rewards for success, not so keen for the criticism and failings.....reap what you sew, imo.. ;)
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Mr Taylor

How can they possibly perform any worse than they already are?

Modern Premiership footballers live in a bubble, far removed from the lives of the people that pay their wages. David Sullivan only said what ordinairy supporters felt, the players are letting us down with half-hearted efforts

You say that speaking out will not motivate them, how then do we motivate them? These are players with personal values in excess of many millions of pounds - what motivation do you suggest?

Your organisation is part of the problem, you cossett these players, respond to any criticism, its about time your organisation learnt that defending the indefendable is not the way forward

Of course, any organisation that buys works of art worth many millions of pounds while some of the lower-league players you purport to represent live on the breadline probably shows where your true allegiance lies
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Typical Gordon Taylor, tbh. In fairness to him, he is paid a fortune to represent professional footballers & that is what he does. He makes no effort to be impartial or objective on any issue. I don't know why the media bother asking him anything. I could write his response in advance 99% of the time : i.e. uncritical support for the players.
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Sullivan was right to go public IMO. To keep it in house would have made it appear to the supporters that NOBODY at the club gives a stuff. He only stated what most fans were thinking and it is nice to have somebody who appears to be standing in our corner. Gordon Taylor is bound to back the players as he is their associations chief and to do otherwise would be detrimental to his position. This is what i don't like about football in its current state, too much money for players who don't give a damn, most of it coming from the pockets of the supporters who are all too often are treated as if we are not there and our opinion does not matter :angry: . I applaud Mr Sullivan for speaking out from a fans point of view, after all as club owner he is entitled to his opinion more than anybody, and he cant have made the situation any worse by speaking out could he !!??
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Gordon Taylor has every righ to say that and if i was paying my union fees to the PFA i'd expect him to say that. I don't believe he's right though. It's the performances on the pitch that matter and if the players aren't doing it and there is a disturbing culture of "could't give a sweet Fanny Adams about the club" behind the scenes from the players then i would say it's the duty of the chairman or owner to tell the supporters your money is being spent on a bunch of individuals without respect.

The key to this is respect and IMO David has lost that respect and who could blame him if he sees the players that he pays pubicly stating there love for the club and the fans and then laughing behind the backs of the supporters cause at the end of it all the pay packet at the end of the month is more important than a job done well.

I'd say to the players who aren't really commited is that some day in some way the lack of respect and the way in which they treat the club and fans will at some point bite them on the bottom!
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Whats Steve Bruces Roll in managing this undisciplined bunch.

The events club event that David Sullivan was complaining the players didn't attend was probably the qtr final of the FA Cup
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Im usually not one for Mr Sullivans outburst. But this time, I can't balme him and don't see the problem. Maybe he shouldn't have said he doesn't like them. At the end of the day tho, they haven't responded to any other approach so hows this going to be detrimental to the team.

Maybe this will give a kick up the backside to some of them. Nothing else has worked.
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So are we saying that players are more loyal to their union than their employer? You know it reminds me of the 70's song titled (I think) 'You Can't Get Me I'm Part Of The Union'. I'm disappointed that a union offical has come out and basically said, 'You can criticise who you like as long as it is not one of my members'. Yet the productivity of any business is measured by the outcomes of their employees. Some how this whole player/club/supporter concept is spiraling out of control. This just my opinion mind! **thumbup
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Mar 24 2006, 10:56 AM
I'm disappointed that a union offical has come out and basically said, 'You can criticise who you like as long as it is not one of my members'.

Gordon Taylor has been banging that same drum for years.

Slightly off topic, but i have been saying for years that the Premiership is going to implode at some point & that it will be a good thing when it happens.

Not just the gulf that has arisen between the fans/clubs and players but also :

- the lack of competitiveness : a league in which 75% of the clubs have no chance of winning in the foreseeable future is ultimately doomed

- squeezing every penny out of the fans/tv rather than running the sport for the enjoyment of the fans, in the long run just means fewer fans, less money, everyone loses

It will change. Things turn full circle eventually. We will get salary caps & a return to the fundamentals of sport for sports sake.

Some early signs ...

- several Premiership clubs finding attendences falling / hard to sell out fixtures

- Sully's comments ... how many other owners are becoming equally fed up of money grabbing players ?

- statement from Charlton chairman saying pretty similar things about the need to address some of these issues
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good assessment pingu and i agree wholeheartedly, especially about salary capping and the effects of over-saturation on tv. i know quite a few people who are totally turned off by football now and even though they have prem plus (as i do) they dont watch a match at all!! i watch a few, but not many, there's too much exposure imo and its purely a matter of time before some major realignment with reality happens - for me, the prem and what it represents can crash and burn.. ;)
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Mar 24 2006, 11:11 AM
- Sully's comments ... how many other owners are becoming equally fed up of money grabbing players ?

One person I would fully expect to back Sullivan up is non other than Simon Jordan!

He seems to of made it one of his life missions not to be a to look like an idiot by Players and Agents.

As much as we may like to hate the man - he is right! :unsure:
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good assessment pingu and i agree wholeheartedly, especially about salary capping and the effects of over-saturation on tv. i know quite a few people who are totally turned off by football now and even though they have prem plus (as i do) they dont watch a match at all!! i watch a few, but not many, there's too much exposure imo and its purely a matter of time before some major realignment with reality happens - for me, the prem and what it represents can crash and burn..


Too true

I mean, how many people watched Charlton v Boro last night? I flicked over for the score, but I would have done that on ceefax anyway - four games in four nights is total overkill

I've got Prem Plus, I hardly watch any game on it, its a waste of space, 5.15 on a Saturday night! Which Marketing Executive thought that was a good idea?

We're subjected to two games every Saturday on TV, then either one or two on a Sunday - you wouldn't mind if there was any quality. I'm bored of it (and never thought I would say that) and I absolutely love football, what must the neutrals be like?
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roy_007
Mar 24 2006, 10:56 AM
You know it reminds me of the 70's song titled (I think) 'You Can't Get Me I'm Part Of The Union'.

i remember that - it was by Strawbs - i have the 7inch single at my Dads! lol
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Taylor is doing an elected job for which he receives enormous financial rewards. This type of quote makes him popular with the players and ultimately keeps him in a job. Treat it for what it is. Words.
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In a way, Roman Abramovich is the best thing that could have happened. His involvement has pushed the money money money ethic to an unsustainable extreme more quickly than would otherwise have happened.

It won't be long imo before the owners of bigger clubs than us or Charlton (e.g. Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Man City...) start saying "enough's enough, we need to find a better way to do this".
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Mr. Penguin you're absolutely correct. When marketing a product e.g. 'Premier League' there is always a 'saturation point' for the consumers. Soooooooooooooooooooo at what stage do the punters say to the faceless people who control Premier League, 'enough is enough, we want our game back?'. We know that the game belongs to the people and not advertising companies. I realise that our basic concern on this site is about the survival of the team we follow but the big picture is very important when you considder the issue that greed going to kill the goose that lays their golden egg? Therefore would soccer be better off without a Premier League (unless it is going to consist of teams from Wales, Scotland and Ireland to ensure a truely national competition) and benefit of a return to grassroots to the old (and the ones I grew up with) Division 1, 2, etc? :blink:
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personally i agree with Gordon Taylor - and furthermore if it was the other way round and Taylor had attacked players and Diddy David defended them i think most of you would agree. no football club likes outsiders to question what's happening inside the club!

for me Diddy Dave only starts gobbing off when some of the crap happening at this club might affect him and his massive ego!

the players have been to blame, but we have a very well paid manager to do the job of training the team, picking the team and the formation and for motivating the team. let's face it - he's not doing it and he hasn't for some time now.

who gave the manager such a ludicrously expensive contract that we can't (or should i say wont) afford to get him out of - that's right, Diddy and the Colds!

but rather than take the blame for appalling events at this club that they own and control, they'd rather spout on and blame someone else! and publicly.

players get paid a fortune for their talent, but it's the manager's job to get the best out of them and the owner/directors who should be getting the best out of the manager!

they like Bruce becuase he's a yes man and just gets on with the job!

whilst some of Diddy's comments might be right, the way he shoots his mouth off isn't. and the players aren't the only ones who should take the blame. but of course, Diddy and the Colds can't have a go at Steve can they - otherwise they'd have to sack him if they weren't to be seen to be backing him publicly!

because of their irresponsibility this club may well find itself in the Championship next season - but hey let's not blame the board shall we? <_<
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Mar 24 2006, 11:29 AM
In a way, Roman Abramovich is the best thing that could have happened. His involvement has pushed the money money money ethic to an unsustainable extreme more quickly than would otherwise have happened.

It won't be long imo before the owners of bigger clubs than us or Charlton (e.g. Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Man City...) start saying "enough's enough, we need to find a better way to do this".

correct, and the divide between the top clubs and the rest is about to widen - manure are increasing their capacity by filling in the corners of old trampsford up to c76000, chelski have a bottomless pit of money it seems, and the @rse move to the emirates stadium next season with a capacity of around 67000, most of which are already taken!

its the ultimate example of the rich getting richer whilst the poor get poorer. if it carries on like this there'll be 3 or 4 teams winning everything by ever-increasing margins from the rest of us.

its part of the overall strategy imo of the "g14" clubs of europe to strengthen their case for a pan-europe league providing even more riches whilst the rest of the clubs survive on the scraps... :(

as far as i can see, the major disbenefit of being relegated if it happens is we wont have so much money to spend/lose, i'll still love bcfc if i end up watching them at billesley common!!!
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Mar 24 2006, 12:16 PM
its the ultimate example of the rich getting richer whilst the poor get poorer. if it carries on like this there'll be 3 or 4 teams winning everything by ever-increasing margins from the rest of us.

Yep, true.

It needs the owners of the other clubs (& the fans & Sky) to insist on the FA taking action to create a competitive league. My guess is that will happen eventually : I can't see clubs such as Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Man City, Leeds, Vile, Wolves, Sunderland, etc, being willing to put up with this situation forever.

The FA run the game in England : not Man Utd or Chelsea. It's about time someone (Sully ?) reminded them of that fact & of their responsibilities. Gutless wonders.

On a positive note, many man u & arsenal fans would prefer a more competitive league, imo. Winning the league for a millioneth time is a non-event if you've only got 3 teams in it.
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The 'Championship' then is the ultimate league.

1. No team can ever win it two seasons on the bounce.
2. Even at this late stage of the season teams down to 9th/10th could get in the play-offs.
3. You get to a cup Semi-final for finishing 6th.
4. Season tickets are cheaper
5. Games in the main kick off on a Saturday afternoon at 3pm
6. Mark Lawrenson does not predict the outcomes of your game.
7. Most of us will never have to listen to Andy Gray, Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson ever again.

any more?
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Note that acording to Gordon, he is still a Bluenose.

Part of the full quote from him states "No on loves Birmingham City more than me"

I did not know he publicly supported the Blues, good on him!!!!

I still think he's a to$$er, but only because he does the job he is paid for and as said above is soooo one sided and blinkered in his responses it's annoying.


Gordon is a Blue noe Gordon is a Blue nose La La La La.

So after Jasper Carrot, we have Gordon Taylor, 2 famous Bluenoses.
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Mar 24 2006, 12:38 PM
The 'Championship' then is the ultimate league.

1. No team can ever win it two seasons on the bounce.
2. Even at this late stage of the season teams down to 9th/10th could get in the play-offs.
3. You get to a cup Semi-final for finishing 6th.
4. Season tickets are cheaper
5. Games in the main kick off on a Saturday afternoon at 3pm
6. Mark Lawrenson does not predict the outcomes of your game.
7. Most of us will never have to listen to Andy Gray, Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson ever again.

any more?

**thumbup

Especially Lawrenson
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tim
Mar 24 2006, 12:38 PM
The 'Championship' then is the ultimate league.

1. No team can ever win it two seasons on the bounce.
2. Even at this late stage of the season teams down to 9th/10th could get in the play-offs.
3. You get to a cup Semi-final for finishing 6th.
4. Season tickets are cheaper
5. Games in the main kick off on a Saturday afternoon at 3pm
6. Mark Lawrenson does not predict the outcomes of your game.
7. Most of us will never have to listen to Andy Gray, Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson ever again.

any more?

tim, the way you phrase it the championship is a very good place to be for competitive footy!! sounds like relegation has some positives after all! :)
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Some good posts above.. I just hope the players do respond to this. Not much else has worked yet has it.. :rolleyes:
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