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In Defence Of The Current Scapegoat; or at least the one who appears to be ..
Topic Started: Apr 19 2006, 12:36 PM (709 Views)
Pewster
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Kenny Burns
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........ everybodys last choice for centre half !

Tiny Taylor !

And dont just flick through this (despite the long read) because you have your opinion upon him anyway !

It seems to many it was his fault ( and lets make this clear, he was poor along with many others ) that we lost on Sunday ! But do me a favour here and just for a minute put yourself in his shoes !

You arrive at your new club as a centre half, but your manager, trying to herald you as a big signing despite being the only addition to the squad during the transfer window, builds you up to be mister versatility who can play anywhere across the back !

You sit watching and waiting for your chance, which when it comes, is at full back, not your favoured position ! You do ok, but unfortunately you dont set the world alight as a 1.5 million investment should for your new support, and unfortunately, a lot of these first impressions which stick with these new supporters, are based upon your performances out of position !

Later due to injurys and suspensions you get a bit of a run in the team alongside one of the 2 established centre halfs at the club, you perform ok, and the club picks up some results. Even to the extent that you hold your place while one of the established centre halfs is forced to play out of position at left back, just like you were asked to do before you were even established at the club ! Eventually, due to a run of bad results and an established centre half whingeing that playing out of position is ruining his international prospects, youre chosen by the manager as the one to return to warming the bench !

Fast forward a season and you sit on the bench again, watching not just the first choice centre halfs underperform, but your team in general ! You wait, and when injuries do come, even the managers young son, a left back from the reserves, and a foriegn loan player get their opportunitys before you ! You eventually get the chance to play alongside some of these, but to many in the crowd, its still your fault when results dont improve, it cant be johnny foreigner bought in by their messiah of a manager, or one of our talented youngsters !

Eventually through others poor form and injuries , you get your chance alongside one of the clubs other 2 established centre halfs ! The team gets 3 consecutive results concedeing only one goal, something no other pairing had achieved throughout the entire season ! You get no praise for this , its down to the change of full backs or the other centre half covering you all the time, unfortunately the crowd have their opinion of you so its easier to pick fault with you than support you ! But hey, youre happy, 3 games unbeaten , youre playing in the position you want to play in, you can understand the person playing next to you, and you dont have to worry about covering any inexperience around you !

Fast forward to the next game and the motivational words of your manager !

Tiny, despite our best run of results all season and only one goal conceeded, youre dropped and i'm putting golden ******** back in the team, i know i can leave mario out for tebs, but hes leaving in the summer anyway ! I've got to keep golden ******** happy though, hes one of wor big players !

Fast forward an hour later when youre sat there feeling pretty peeved and wondering what the hell you have to do to suceed at this club and youve got new motivational words from your manager !

Tiny, golden ******** got hurt in the warm up, we need you, youre back in !

So you go out there, still peeved, still pretty peed off, and play crap !

SO WHOS THE SCAPEGOAT PEOPLE, TINY, OR SB FOR CREATING THE SITUATION WITH YET ANOTHER PIECE OF INEPTITUDE ?
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Evo_paul
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Dear me that post must have taken aggges, Taylor is still shocking IMO.
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You could have just posted "Bruce out"
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Jesus Pewster - you must be really really bored.

IMO it is one of the most pointless posts of all time, so you really have wasted half an hour of your life.

And the reason it is pointless is that IMO, Tiny is just not good enough to play in the Premiership. You can throw as many reasons and comments in there as you want because none of them matter - he is Championship quality.
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So your saying even if Upson was fit & available we should not play him in case it upsets our BACK UP centre half wtf**. Very long winded argument and I cannot agree with you, if Upsons fit he has got to play instead of Taylor.
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well I read it ..enjoyed it! Not sure long term about Martin Taylor as a player... but totally agree about the motivation and mental attitude aspect of it, must be hard on Taylor and he did deserve to keep his place
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I`d rather him than Tebily. :unsure:
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Apr 19 2006, 01:36 PM
........ everybodys last choice for centre half !

Tiny Taylor !


He's not my last choice.....well not until Karen's fully recovered anyway.
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Apr 19 2006, 12:48 PM
well I read it ..enjoyed it! Not sure long term about Martin Taylor as a player... but totally agree about the motivation and mental attitude aspect of it, must be hard on Taylor and he did deserve to keep his place

thankyou !

And yes, i could have just said Bruce Out !

But when all is said and done whats the most important thing any team needs regardless of the quality of the individuals in it ?

Confidence !

How many times have you heard it said, you dont change a winning team ?

But SB always will because he puts all his faith in his 'big players' , thats plan A, he hasnt got a plan B!

He made 2 changes to the team that won against Bolton for the next game. After an hour we were one down so he reverted back to the team that had finished against Bolton, we drew in the end ! Why change it at all ? We could have won had he not ! But he has to accomodate his 'big players' !
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when Tiny first came to this club i said he wasn't good enough. i have seen him play (across the back four), read your comments and have drawn this conclusion:

what a waste of a posting you submitted Pewster!

and what a waste of £1.5million we spent on Tiny! he was cr@p, is cr@p and always will be - yes you've got it, cr@p!

i only hope Bruce recalls Latka or Bruce (Jnr) for tonights' game, cos against Bellamy, Tiny stands two hopes of a good game - and one's Bob!
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Apr 19 2006, 12:57 PM
when Tiny first came to this club i said he wasn't good enough. i have seen him play (across the back four), read your comments and have drawn this conclusion:

what a waste of a posting you submitted Pewster!

and what a waste of £1.5million we spent on Tiny! he was cr@p, is cr@p and always will be - yes you've got it, cr@p!

i only hope Bruce recalls Latka or Bruce (Jnr) for tonights' game, cos against Bellamy, Tiny stands two hopes of a good game - and one's Bob!

You miss the point !

Not once have i said hes a good player !

He may not be good enough for the Prem !

But then again, he hasn't been helped in any way shape or form by the Manager !

Who knows what he could have been had he been treated differently, as it is, he is what the manager created !

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tiny should be a bench warmer for the reserves!!!!
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I think it's Bruce who is the current scapegoat. :rolleyes:
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Apr 19 2006, 01:02 PM
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Apr 19 2006, 12:57 PM
when Tiny first came to this club i said he wasn't good enough. i have seen him play (across the back four), read your comments and have drawn this conclusion:

what a waste of a posting you submitted Pewster!

and what a waste of £1.5million we spent on Tiny! he was cr@p, is cr@p and always will be - yes you've got it, cr@p!

i only hope Bruce recalls Latka or Bruce (Jnr) for tonights' game, cos against Bellamy, Tiny stands two hopes of a good game - and one's Bob!

You miss the point !

Not once have i said hes a good player !

He may not be good enough for the Prem !

But then again, he hasn't been helped in any way shape or form by the Manager !

Who knows what he could have been had he been treated differently, as it is, he is what the manager created !

claptrap!

he is a professional footballer, paid handsomely, who wants to play in the centre of defence, the only problem is he's not good enough!

no fault of the manager - it's just a fact.

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Apr 19 2006, 01:57 PM
I only hope Bruce recalls Latka or Bruce (Jnr) for tonights' game, cos against Bellamy, Tiny stands two hopes of a good game - and one's Bob!

Latka is not in the squad; Bruce is ... and they will be facing Bellamy
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pewster ,for what its worth ,i agree with you,
one of the big big let down of this season has been the over reliance on WOR BIG PLAYERS,personally my opinion on the big players is they have been utter crap,for most of the season,
but when players like tiny and grey come in its so easy to jump on their back ,but fans dont look at the bigger picture,fans will always have scapegoats as they are easy targets,
IF OUR BIG PLAYERS WHO PLAY UP FRONT HAD SCORED THE GOALS FOR US WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS THREAD,
i keep saying it look elsewhere for scapegoats for this seasons failures.
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Apr 19 2006, 01:31 PM
pewster ,for what its worth ,i agree with you,
one of the big big let down of this season has been the over reliance on WOR BIG PLAYERS,personally my opinion on the big players is they have been utter crap,for most of the season,
but when players like tiny and grey come in its so easy to jump on their back ,but fans dont look at the bigger picture,fans will always have scapegoats as they are easy targets,
IF OUR BIG PLAYERS WHO PLAY UP FRONT HAD SCORED THE GOALS FOR US WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS THREAD,
i keep saying it look elsewhere for scapegoats for this seasons failures.

thanks tuggy !

I think its something thats all to common in football these days !

People are quick to defend players upon name, reputation and image, and lose sight of the lesser less fashionable players !

Now thats fine from supporters, you can almost expect that from some, but when a manager who is paid to motivate a SQUAD does the same, thats unforgivable !

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I agree with the original poster, the back line worked for the three games before the vile game, it looked shaky at times but it worked. All of a sudden Upson comes back and replaces Tiny, I'm sure it would have destroyed his confidence.

IMO Bruce should have had the bottle to stick with the same back four.
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Apr 19 2006, 12:36 PM


SO WHOS THE SCAPEGOAT PEOPLE, TINY, OR SB FOR CREATING THE SITUATION WITH YET ANOTHER PIECE OF INEPTITUDE ?

go back two seasons and read darren purse.

started seaaon at centre back with cunningham as golden *********** was suspended, kept clean sheet only to get dropped next game

bruce has favourites end of story and they will always play
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Apr 19 2006, 01:56 PM
tuggy
Apr 19 2006, 01:31 PM
pewster ,for what its worth ,i agree with you,
one of the big big let down of this season has been the over reliance on WOR BIG PLAYERS,personally my opinion on the big players is they have been utter crap,for most of the season,
but when players like tiny and grey come in its so easy to jump on their back ,but fans dont look at the bigger picture,fans will always have scapegoats as they are easy targets,
IF OUR BIG PLAYERS WHO PLAY UP FRONT HAD SCORED THE GOALS FOR US WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS THREAD,
i keep saying it look elsewhere for scapegoats for this seasons failures.

thanks tuggy !

I think its something thats all to common in football these days !

People are quick to defend players upon name, reputation and image, and lose sight of the lesser less fashionable players !

Now thats fine from supporters, you can almost expect that from some, but when a manager who is paid to motivate a SQUAD does the same, thats unforgivable !

i agree with you about how the manager should be motivating players, but surely Bruce must see the flaws in Tiny's game!

he doesn't mark well, doesn't tackle, rarely uses his height to get the ball out or at set pieces. therefore, when Upson is back he gets the nod and quite rightly. players are overpaid enough as it is right now, without having to pamper a premiership footballer because of his hurt pride when he's been responsible for poor errors in games.

in recent games the back four did ok, nothing else - we were lucky on so many occasions.

Kenny was endlessly covering for Tiny, as was the lad at left back, Saddler.

am not making Tiny a scapegoat now, he's been poor from the start.
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Fair enough Pewster he didnt deserve to be dropped in light of the improved results..........but who would you play?Upson when fit or Martin Taylor?Now as for blaming him for the result on Sunday that isnt fair either.
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Apr 19 2006, 02:34 PM
Fair enough Pewster he didnt deserve to be dropped in light of the improved results..........but who would you play?Upson when fit or Martin Taylor?Now as for blaming him for the result on Sunday that isnt fair either.

I wasnt blaming him at all , i was defending him against those who are !

Answer about Upson ! From a clean start, Upson every time !

But possesion is nine tenths of the law ! and if you possess the shirt in a unbeaten line up, you keep it until that run ends in my eyes !

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After reading it, I haven't changed my opinion. He may have had good games, he may have lost confidence.

But you can tell a lot about a players attitude. How they apply themselves on the pitch. ..and Tiny, and a few others don't have it.

Ever since hes been with us it appears he lacks desire, determination. No amount of games, performances have made me change my mind.
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When Taylor was at rovers he always looked like he had the potential but never really acheived it, thats why I was surprised you lot bought him for 1.5 million ;)
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For gods sake. Taylor was crap against the vile. Whatever the circumstances prior to the game, he should shoulder the blame as it was him who was playing, not Bruce. He wasn't played out of position, was not unfit, had played recently, wasn't injured and should have been motivated even though he was on the bench (a derby FFS). He just had a bad game.



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