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Dunn Out Rest Of Season; Hope he gets back soon
Topic Started: Apr 21 2006, 11:47 AM (623 Views)
dr.nick
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Apr 21 2006, 01:02 PM
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we are not stuck with him we can end his contract.

no tribunnel in the land would go against us.


Agreed Nick but we'd still have to pay off his contract cause it would have to be part of a 'mutual agreement', and how good would it be to do that and find that someone's taken the chance cause there's no fee and Dunn gets a good pre-season under him and performs - we will have lost money on both counts.

true but it's a chance you take.

someone said he was rushed back.

i dont think he was realy he has only had a couple of starts in the reserves and has only finneshed 90 mins in the first team once to my knowledge.

so i dont think he's been rushed i think that his recuperation is taking longer than it should.

i can only think of him being influential in one game this season and that was the ball he layed on for heskeys last goal.

in a case like this though i think he has a % of his remaining contrck payed to him i dont think it's the ful wack.
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Apr 21 2006, 01:31 PM
dr.nick
Apr 21 2006, 12:16 PM
Bluenose Cobby
Apr 21 2006, 11:55 AM
dr.nick
Apr 21 2006, 11:54 AM
i'd release dunn from his contract, no point in him being here if he's injured all the time it's just a wast of a wage.

either that or his contract renaosiated and put him on a pay as you play deal.

Shame to say to say it but yes, i totally agree with wat your saying there **thumbup

i dont like to sy it either , he's a fantastic when fit problem is he's never fit for more than a game or so.

You can see it now though can't you...

Dunn leaves Birmingham and plays all the games of the following season for his new club and gets in the England squad.

He would be such an exciting player to lose, because of injuries.

I really feel for the guy.

And you will that say more about: Dunn or the Blues staff. I knwo waht I think!
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Apr 21 2006, 03:02 PM
tim
Apr 21 2006, 01:31 PM
dr.nick
Apr 21 2006, 12:16 PM
Bluenose Cobby
Apr 21 2006, 11:55 AM
dr.nick
Apr 21 2006, 11:54 AM
i'd release dunn from his contract, no point in him being here if he's injured all the time it's just a wast of a wage.

either that or his contract renaosiated and put him on a pay as you play deal.

Shame to say to say it but yes, i totally agree with wat your saying there **thumbup

i dont like to sy it either , he's a fantastic when fit problem is he's never fit for more than a game or so.

You can see it now though can't you...

Dunn leaves Birmingham and plays all the games of the following season for his new club and gets in the England squad.

He would be such an exciting player to lose, because of injuries.

I really feel for the guy.

And you will that say more about: Dunn or the Blues staff. I knwo waht I think!

thats a fare point, it is our training methods that are to blaim ?
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Apr 21 2006, 12:31 PM

You can see it now though can't you...

Dunn leaves Birmingham and plays all the games of the following season for his new club and gets in the England squad.

He would be such an exciting player to lose, because of injuries.

I really feel for the guy.

We all know that!
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<_< time to say bye me thinks,i dont think hes ever gonna be fit enough for blues,we all know he wants to go back to blackburn. i love the guy to bits and admire his skills,but we can't afford to carry players like him,cut our losses and say bye
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how do you know he wants to go to blackburn???...im sure its more likely he was celebrating us winning last nite rather than bein down cus blackburn lost..its sh it or bust for dunn now, he needs a good preseason and then we see what we can do in the first part of the season...if again he breaks down in say the the first few months then im afriad even he might want to draw a line under the situation...end of the day tho a fit dunny gets you points...COME ON DUNNY!!! :) :)
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Release or re-negotiate for me. I'd like to agree with all those who say he's a great player but can't for the simple reason that great players play more often than Dunn.

His record of 37 appearance out of what will be a possible 106 by the end of the season simply isn't cost effective. His transfer fee alone has cost us nigh on £149,000 per appearance. Or to put it another way Pennant has already made 5 more appearances than Dunn.

I remember Blackburn fans coming on here warning us about his fitness when we signed him and they've been proved absolutely correct.
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even if he was fit for Everton i wouldnt play him, give him a good pre-season and have him good and ready for the next season.
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Apr 21 2006, 07:58 PM
even if he was fit for Everton i wouldnt play him, give him a good pre-season and have him good and ready for the next season.

how many time will he need a good pre-season?

i make this the third. ;)
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It what other profession can somebody earn millions a year when they are not fit to do the job ?

What kind of business spends a big chunk of it's budget on a single person who is only able to contribute a fraction of the time ?

Maybe the big clubs can afford to keep paying somebody mega-money in the hope that he might come good one day. We can't. Making a mistake is one thing but ffs please can we learn a lesson ?

We need to start the 2006-2007 season with a squad full of 100% fit players. No ifs, no buts, no "if we can just get him right", no "when he gets back to full fitness".

The year of the crocks needs to finish right here right now.
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mr penguin
Apr 21 2006, 09:18 PM
It what other profession can somebody earn millions a year when they are not fit to do the job ?

What kind of business spends a big chunk of it's budget on a single person who is only able to contribute a fraction of the time ?


they call them directors at our place.... :rolleyes:
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Apr 21 2006, 08:24 PM
mr penguin
Apr 21 2006, 09:18 PM
It what other profession can somebody earn millions a year when they are not fit to do the job ?

What kind of business spends a big chunk of it's budget on a single person who is only able to contribute a fraction of the time ?


they call them directors at our place.... :rolleyes:

whats that directed straight to A&E :rolleyes:
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Can't believe all this ABSOLUTE GARBAGE was written on one thread alone

How can you all be so harsh on one of the best players Blues have possessed in years ??

Do you think Dunn feigns injury or deliberately twangs his hamstrings so he can get a weekend off ??? Football is a risky profession and with it come injuries........Michael Owen is suffering his SECOND long term absence from 1st team football after breaking a bone in his foot and when he was at Liverpool he had to fly to the States for career saving surgery on a hamstring........Similarly Alan Shearer (The DEADLIEST striker in Premier League history) had a long absence due to a recurring knee injury known as 'tendonitus' ...he also saw a specialist in Colorado to fix the constantly niggling problem...........Just recently Christophe Dugarry was NEVER the same player for Blues after being whacked knee high by Wolves' thug Kevin Muscat and again by Distan away at Man City

David Dunn had a career saving operation in the summer and spent three months or more on his back and in traction at the same time having to deal with terrible pain........Where's your heart FFS.........Give the lad a break.....It isn't his fault

He desperately wants to play for Blues and let's hope we can stay up and let's hope Dunny gets at least 4 months of rest in the summer ..........Bruce has often said Dunny has worked so hard in training to get himself back in the side....the man is a MODEL professional

He makes ALL the difference to us whenever he plays and if hadn't suffered such bad luck with injuries he could possibly have been going to Germany with England this summer .......and to put the record straight Dunn was NOT sold by Blackburn due to injury concerns but Souness accused him of being out on the town too many nights and being lazy (I ,for one would never consider Dunny to be a lazy player)....He had a personality clash with Souness,wanted to move and lucky for us he chose us over Boro,Vile and Everton and we signed him

We should be offering him a FIVE year deal NOW instead of wanting to offload him.......Some of you are JOKERS of the highest order

Ashamed to be a Blues fan after reading some of the heartless tripe on here

Dunny for England ......he is world class
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I couldn't agree more Partisan. He is the only player of real quality we have. The guy must be devastated to be injured again, but it hardly sounds a serious injury this time so after the close season he should be okay for next one and whichever deivision we're in.
Whenever he plays he makes more difference than any other player so we must stick by him.
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There are loads of people I feel sorry for, but I wouldn't expect Blues to pay them all £million+ a year.
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Apr 22 2006, 06:47 AM
There are loads of people I feel sorry for, but I wouldn't expect Blues to pay them all £million+ a year.

Matthew Upson is on about the same money as Dunny and Matty's out till October with a ruptured achilles.......again hardly the player's fault yet it happened in a bloody 'warm up'

Now Upson's injury was probabaly a blessing in disguise as we've exercised the 2 year option we had and the player agreed .......got to be good news

We should be offering Dunn a new deal too if we really are serious about going forward

An ambitious club does NOT sell it's best players

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We can't afford a player who only plays in 1/3rd of games.
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Not saying we don't feel sorry for him.

What I'm saying is that ANY player who only makes 37 out of a possible 114 league appearances over 3 yrs (and a lot of those for less than 90 mins) cannot be called a key player.

In our position there's no room for sympathy we have to have players who remain fit and contribute.

Tell me if you only turned up for work 32% of the time and called in sick the rest would your boss stand for it????? I doubt very much they would.

Do you remember when we signed Peter Ndlovu??? - Dodgy fitness record so he was offered pay-as-you-play terms and he seemed to remain fit. Why should Dunn not be put on the same sort of deal????
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As i see it there has to be a point where the medical staff, the player and the club sit down and make some big decisions.

Is Dunn ever likely to be 100% fit, has the op he had had any affect, seems to me its not made a jot of difference. will his fitness improve in the coming months ??

Does the player believe he can overcome the problems and take part in a 38 / 46 game season and play 90% of the games.

Are the club prepared to write off the £5.5m and wages paid over the last 3 years, and release him on a free?

if the answers to the above are No then there is only one course of action to take.

the club has to try and recoup some of its investment, the player needs to earn a living.

the solution Call the insurance company. the club gets a percentage of the fee back Dunn gets a pay off, and we all move on. it sounds harsh but reality usually does.

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Apr 22 2006, 06:55 AM
We can't afford a player who only plays in 1/3rd of games.

But Upson has missed a third of this season and could miss the 1st third of next season

What are you really saying ??

A Birmingham City 1st team player that picks up a really bad injury should be SOLD immediately ??

Brazil never threw Pele on the scrapheap did they ?
And Pele was always picking up injuries .......well,mainly down to the fact that defenders couldn't catch him so they kicked him up in the air at every opportunity

You got to understand that Dunn's injury was serious and he had the type of surgery whereby he had to have a long re-hab period......Footballers that are unfortunate to break a leg are usually instantly ruled out for 6 months or more ....it's a medical requirement........nothing to do with how much money Joe Bloggs makes
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Can't be barsed with so many people who have no sympathy for David Dunn but worse of all seem to lay all of the blame on the player himslef .... wtf**


I'm off to bed.... ..zz.. ..zz..

Got a backache so I won't be mowing the lawn tomorrow
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Partisan Dunn & Upson are completely different cases!!!


Upson has played in 104 out of what will a possible 133 (approx) i.e. only 29 games missed.

Dunn - well the figures are up there

ffs Pennant has made more appearances than Dunn.
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Apr 22 2006, 07:11 AM
Partisan Dunn & Upson are completely different cases!!!


Upson has played in 104 out of what will a possible 133 (approx) i.e. only 29 games missed.

Dunn - well the figures are up there

ffs Pennant has made more appearances than Dunn.

Actually mate.....you are quite wrong

Dunn has hamstring problems...makes a comeback......breaks down...has surgery ....goes into re-hab and makes another comeback ....this time he has a calf strain and I am just wondering why the manager claims he's out for the season (calf strains are normally minor)

Upson.........missed 10 or 11 games due to groin and pelvic problems.....due to make comeback at Villa Park and suffers a ruptured achilles .....out till October at least........who is not to say Upson could break down again when he returns......and break down again ........are you a Doctor then ????

There is NO difference

What about all the yellow cards 'Gobby' Savage used to pick up.......missed 6-10 games a year due to suspensions...........and Damien Johnson is starting to pick up that habit too (we still PAY them don't we ??).........Injuries CANNOT be avoided ........suspensions CAN be

I'm off to bed now........my back is getting worse........I may have to watch the match lying on the floor ..zz.. ..zz..
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I'm looking at actual appearances made!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Upson was consistently fit until recently - Dunn has been consistently UNFIT

And please don't bring cards in to the equation they're completely different.

Keep Dunn by all means but re-negotiate the contract and DON't build him up as a key player.
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I just can't see Dunn playing 20-30 games next season & I would prefer us to spend our wages budget on somebody who can play more often.
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