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Well Done Steve Bruce.
Topic Started: Apr 22 2006, 05:24 PM (893 Views)
tamworth_blue
Geoff Horsfield
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Apr 22 2006, 07:27 PM
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Tell me who picked up the pieces to score against Blackburn? and for a bonus, who didnt start today?

Nothing to do with the buffeting that the Rovers centre-halves had had all evening from Emile and Sutton? Silly me. Bruce used exactly the same tactic today. The only difference? It worked on Wednesday, it didn't today.

exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals
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Apr 22 2006, 08:28 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 07:24 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 08:18 PM
Proccy
Apr 22 2006, 06:59 PM
quick quiz question - which season did everton compete in the champs league??

WTF does that have to do with anything ??


because to qualify you have to be a good side that doesnt concede much - if you're too dumb to realise that you have a problem... ;)

You're too dumb to realise this is April 2006

Everton finished 4th a whole year ago....and if I recall we finished 13th

As for NOW ....the PRESENT ........TODAY ....both sides are pale shadows of the sides from a year ago.........and you could see that today

And as for NOT conceding much.......didn't Everton lose to Arseal SEVEN NIL too ???

Kind of bashes your theory about don't it ??

not really, they're above us arent they? of course, by using capitals you get your point across well... ;)
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Apr 22 2006, 07:27 PM
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Tell me who picked up the pieces to score against Blackburn? and for a bonus, who didnt start today?

Nothing to do with the buffeting that the Rovers centre-halves had had all evening from Emile and Sutton? Silly me. Bruce used exactly the same tactic today. The only difference? It worked on Wednesday, it didn't today.

Aff are you Bruces apologist in chief??????

You know good Premiership Centre-Halfs get a buffeting most games. Please don't credit Heskey with any contribution to Forsells goal.

Have you ever listened to ex or current top players - most of the central defenders love it when they come up against a player it's the ones who drop off or have superb off the ball movement that bother them, not the battering ram type.
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Apr 22 2006, 08:32 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 07:27 PM
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Tell me who picked up the pieces to score against Blackburn? and for a bonus, who didnt start today?

Nothing to do with the buffeting that the Rovers centre-halves had had all evening from Emile and Sutton? Silly me. Bruce used exactly the same tactic today. The only difference? It worked on Wednesday, it didn't today.

Aff are you Bruces apologist in chief??????

You know good Premiership Centre-Halfs get a buffeting most games. Please don't credit Heskey with any contribution to Forsells goal.

Have you ever listened to ex or current top players - most of the central defenders love it when they come up against a player it's the ones who drop off or have superb off the ball movement that bother them, not the battering ram type.

:lol: :lol:
there speaks the voice of experience i spose....
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exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals

So a game consists of just the moments where the ball goes into the net and not the complete 90 minutes? Again, silly me.

I'm not defending Bruce or the team this season but, as a Bluenose, I just can't get my head around the fact that we've drawn away at a side higher than us in the table, are still in with a great shout of staying up and people just can't find one single positive.
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Apr 22 2006, 08:34 PM
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exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals

So a game consists of just the moments where the ball goes into the net and not the complete 90 minutes? Again, silly me.

I'm not defending Bruce or the team this season but, as a Bluenose, I just can't get my head around the fact that we've drawn away at a side higher than us in the table, are still in with a great shout of staying up and people just can't find one single positive.

you're banging your head against a thick wall aff - let em get on with it ;)
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Well I followed Football (not just Blues) the game for 45years and I've been lucky enough to talk to and work with some ex pro's, so, Yep in my experience that's what they say.

If you have a problem with someone relating what they've learnt from people in the game that's not my fault.
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Apr 22 2006, 07:34 PM
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exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals

So a game consists of just the moments where the ball goes into the net and not the complete 90 minutes? Again, silly me.

I'm not defending Bruce or the team this season but, as a Bluenose, I just can't get my head around the fact that we've drawn away at a side higher than us in the table, are still in with a great shout of staying up and people just can't find one single positive.

In normal circumstances I would be delighted with a point at Everton, but these are not normal circumstances.

We needed to win knowing that Pompey would probably win. In which case we needed to score goals, and by the sound of everything I have heard and read, we didnt want to do that and went out defending a 0-0 draw.

Then Bruce admits he played players injured, when in this case he had options he put on the bench.

It proves again that SB has just one method of playing away, and hasnt a clue on how to change it
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I think considering the players that were available its a creditable point....

It seems judging Bruces after match comments that his half time team talk to tighten up the game and not make it as open also had a detrimental affect on our attacking play in the second half, that 15 minutes probably cost us winning the game...

I think perhaps Tebily being unavailable and having to play Mario at full back forced Bruce to play Pennant from the start. I really am not sure what Forssell has to do, to start. Surely it must affect his confidence if a player who is clearly not match fit is picked ahead of him (Heskey) especially after he bagged the winning goal a few days ago.......

I think its fair to criticise Bruce for not picking the right starting line up, and perhaps not being imaginative enough to try and engineer a result..... He seems to forget that he has a number of players that are also capable of playing in different positions, yet he seldom gambles on changing his team around during games unless he is forced too because of injuries......

Fair enough that he had to play Pennant, but surely he should of started Forssell, brought Heskey on in the second half to play on the left for the usually inconsistent Gray, switched DJ to the right hand side and took off Pennant with Nafti replacing DJs central midfield role......... but nope..... no gambling, same old same old.....

Its a good point, and while i still believe we will stay up, i think we missed a great opportunity to beat Everton today....... Lets hope Bruce gets it right again for Newcastle!

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Apr 22 2006, 07:39 PM
In normal circumstances I would be delighted with a point at Everton, but these are not normal circumstances.

I have to agree with that.

Everton were the worst / lowest-placed (and have least to play for) of the three teams we had left.

A draw - in the knowledge that Pompey were likely to pick up 3 points - means that our fate is no longer in our own hands.

In the circumstances worth going for a win rather than sitting on a 0-0.
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Apr 22 2006, 07:28 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 07:24 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 06:59 PM
quick quiz question - which season did everton compete in the champs league??

WTF does that have to do with anything ??


because to qualify you have to be a good side that doesnt concede much - if you're too dumb to realise that you have a problem... ;)

You're too dumb to realise this is April 2006

Everton finished 4th a whole year ago....and if I recall we finished 13th

As for NOW ....the PRESENT ........TODAY ....both sides are pale shadows of the sides from a year ago.........and you could see that today

And as for NOT conceding much.......didn't Everton lose to Arseal SEVEN NIL too ???

Kind of bashes your theory about don't it ??

:D :D :D :lol: at proccy and partisanBCFC... well it certainly was a bolt out of the blue, for some strange and unknown reason i imagined steve bruce saying it to the team as they came out of the dressing room to face everton.
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Apr 22 2006, 08:36 PM
Well I followed Football (not just Blues) the game for 45years and I've been lucky enough to talk to and work with some ex pro's, so, Yep in my experience that's what they say.

If you have a problem with someone relating what they've learnt from people in the game that's not my fault.

your experience doesn't differ greatly from any other footy fan - after all the "gems" you share with us i expected at least the uefa "b" badge.... :rolleyes:
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It may not have occured to some people that the team isn't capable of winning games and 'going for it' away from home. We've only beaten Albion and Sunderland away, and only just in Albion's case. With players not fully fit and our most creative ones missing, we were never going to score enough goals to win. We were looking odds on to lose after the first half as Everton were coming through us far too easily. We had to get a grip second half, which we did, and a point is decent. Had Bruce thrown caution to the wind we would have got done big time and the four goals we have as our goal difference advantage would have been wiped out. There have been so many away games like this, and usually we lose them by the odd goal. How is the team suddenly going to tear the opposition apart when we haven't all season away? Bottom line is we're not good enough other than to scrap for a point, or scrap for a win at home.
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Apr 22 2006, 09:22 PM
It may not have occured to some people that the team isn't capable of winning games and 'going for it' away from home. We've only beaten Albion and Sunderland away, and only just in Albion's case. With players not fully fit and our most creative ones missing, we were never going to score enough goals to win. We were looking odds on to lose after the first half as Everton were coming through us far too easily. We had to get a grip second half, which we did, and a point is decent. Had Bruce thrown caution to the wind we would have got done big time and the four goals we have as our goal difference advantage would have been wiped out. There have been so many away games like this, and usually we lose them by the odd goal. How is the team suddenly going to tear the opposition apart when we haven't all season away? Bottom line is we're not good enough other than to scrap for a point, or scrap for a win at home.

if that is the case, why did he play players who he admitted were unfit?
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because sadly they are still better than the alternatives who are fit
You could argue that Forssell instead of Heskey, but I would say instead of Sutton, who has no mobility. Campbell is out of depth, as is Latka.
Today we did not have these because of injury etc: Tebily, Izzet, Lazza, Kilkenny, Dunn, Upson, Jarosik, so do we play Birley, Painter, Bruce etc etc? Nope.
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Apr 22 2006, 09:38 PM
Campbell is out of depth, as is Latka.

aren't they brucie's two most recent signings ? :unsure:
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mr p you miss the point. Unless you are suggesting those players were his first choices. Why would he want Euell a proven striker for 1.5 million when he could get Campbell as a gamble for £500,000?

If the bloke has made too many dodgy buys then you can get on his back. But you need to look at the record of other managers in the league who have bought players that haven’t worked out. It’s just has more of an impact on the blues due to their limited spending power.

Being part of the Bruce out brigade is all well and good but I don’t see people offering a way out by stating who we should have as a new manager and what is a reasonable amount to spend for him to be fully accountable for where we are in the league.

It’s a good job computers were not widely available when Terry Cooper or Gary Pendry were mangers otherwise that would probably have meant death squads would be hunting them down. People can moan to the cows come home and beyond about SB’s failings but he got us into the premiership where all others had failed and he deservers a chance. Unless you are able to propose an established manager who can sort out our difficulties without committing a vast amount of money. Hind sight is a wonderful thing in football but doesn't work in the real world
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Apr 22 2006, 07:29 PM
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Apr 22 2006, 07:27 PM
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Tell me who picked up the pieces to score against Blackburn? and for a bonus, who didnt start today?

Nothing to do with the buffeting that the Rovers centre-halves had had all evening from Emile and Sutton? Silly me. Bruce used exactly the same tactic today. The only difference? It worked on Wednesday, it didn't today.

exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals

Not true big Emile sliced his shot so bad it ended up on Gray's left foot. :lol:
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exactly what buffeting was that, if I am not mistaken both goals came from the left wing, and in which both cases the centre forwards had nothing to do with either goals

So a game consists of just the moments where the ball goes into the net and not the complete 90 minutes? Again, silly me.

I'm not defending Bruce or the team this season but, as a Bluenose, I just can't get my head around the fact that we've drawn away at a side higher than us in the table, are still in with a great shout of staying up and people just can't find one single positive.

We didnt concede again thats a positive. ;)
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forsell can only play 50 minutes at present,so i guess brucie sees him coming off the bench as the best option,
i have said this so many times this season ,you look at the team before the game and ask yourself,
who will score the goals,
who will create the goals,
sound familar,
story of the season so far.
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Apr 22 2006, 07:10 PM
i am just as annoyed.

he starts with players who he admits are injured, yet this time he has options, but his stubborness, gets the better of him and the team suffers again

Surprising how people hear things differently isn't it. I heard that the injured players were desperate to play. Whether he should have let them is a debate, but not that he forced them to play.
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when i worked with players ,you trusted the players to tell you they were fit or not,
sometimes it dont work out,
my worry with blues this season is we have too many unfit players ON THE PITCH at the same time,
you can maybe carry one but no more ,not in the prem.
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Wisel I know what you're getting at but shouldn't SB have had the strength to say to Heskey & Pennant that they were not starting???

I can understand the players being desperate to play and praise them for it, but surely it's the managers job to look beyond what the players want and put out as fit a team as he can.

OK if Forsell can't manage 90 mins as has been suggested on here then maybe start him and bring Heskey on. Same for Pennant surely if he's not at full speed it's better to bring him on when the Everton defence has had to work a bit.
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im of the old school that a fully fit player is better than a half fit player but if your so called BIG players are telling you they are fit,then what do you do ,
the heskey /forsell one could have been changed with heskey on the bench but the pennant one was different,we need pennant to cross the ball.
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Apr 23 2006, 08:16 AM
Wisel I know what you're getting at but shouldn't SB have had the strength to say to Heskey & Pennant that they were not starting???

I can understand the players being desperate to play and praise them for it, but surely it's the managers job to look beyond what the players want and put out as fit a team as he can.

OK if Forsell can't manage 90 mins as has been suggested on here then maybe start him and bring Heskey on. Same for Pennant surely if he's not at full speed it's better to bring him on when the Everton defence has had to work a bit.

The point I was making is that some people work with facts, and some peopple make things up to suit their own arguaments.

Additionally when people make things up to continually have a go and criticise and never give an ounce of credit to Bruce, I just cannot see them as supporters at all.
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