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If We Stay Up...; Who would you want us to buy?
Topic Started: Apr 24 2006, 06:57 PM (734 Views)
k-bek
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We do ahve the makings of a very good squad.

Heskey
Forssell
Izzet
Dunn
Jarosik
Damien Johnson
Pennant
Upson
Maik Taylor
Kilkenny
Painter and others.

However, on their own we don't have neough quality. We MUSt add quality players to that list no matter what happens. With added strength and quality bringing competition for places we will look a far better prospect next season.
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Apr 24 2006, 07:35 PM


Jordan might (only might) sell us AJ for 10 million

Bridge would cost at least 5 million

Reid about 2 million

Gardener maybe 1 million

Kelly & Murphy I've no idea.

But there's 18 million gone for starters.

Well with the team he suggested how were we to know??? :)

AJ has been in the championship for a year, probably two, hasn't set the world on fire, fallen out of England contension, ex blues player and may get frustrated at Palace, he is not worth £10m and Jordan isn't stupid enough to think he is. Jordan didn't want us to have Bruce or Morrison but we got them didn't we. AJ will leave Palace for no more than 5 or 6m.

Bridge couldn't get in to the chelsea team, is playing at a team in the bottom quarter of the premiership, hes a left back. How is he worth £5m? The price Chelsea pay for players is no accurate way of judging their value.. Would they get back over £20m for Essien Drogba SWP??!

Reid at 2 million is a bargain, quality player we nearly paid £5m for a few years ago

Gardener maybe 1 million for a fast tall good on the ball young english (capped) centre back, good business IMO

Kelly would probably not even cost £1m

Danny Murphy is very hopeful as i feel he could go to a better club but why not aim high?

Not quite £18m and dont forget we have money, the board just weren't sactioning any in Jan because we looked doomed. Where is the money they wantd to spend on Keane, Parker, Bellamey, AJ?? Remember they have given us £6m for Heksey, £5.5m for Dunn, £5m (and AJ) for Morrison, and they have admited there needs to be major surgery to the squad in the summer.
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Kyle-KRO
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These are a few of the players I would be interested in signing.

RB
Glen Johnson (Chelsea)
Stephen Kelly (Spurs)

CB
Robert Huth (Chelsea)
Joleon Lescott (Wolves)
Souleymane Diawara (Sochaux)
Abdoulaye Meite (Marseille)
John O’Shea (ManU)
Curtis Davies (West Brom)

Mid
Thomas Gravesen (Real Madrid)
Didier Zokora (St. Etienne)
Mathieu Bodmer (Lille)
Modeste M’Bami (PSG)
Boa Morte (Fulham)
Andy Reid (Spurs)

Fwds.
Cameron Jerome (Cardiff)
Fabrizio Miccoli (Benfica)
Halil Altintop (Kaiserslautern)
John Utaka (Rennes)
Ilan (Sochaux)
Eddie Johnson (Kansas City)
Lua Lua (Pompey)

Gk
Tim Howard (ManU)


With a possible team being....

................Howard...............

Kelly...Lescott...Upson...Sadler

Pennant...Jarosik...M'Bami...Reid

............Heskey/Jerome...Utaka...........




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The staff and players i would bring in if we stay up.


Manager Roy Keane
Coach Brian Kidd


Rob Green

Curtis Davies (West Brom)
Joleon Lescott (Wolves)
Chimbonda (Wigan)


Jimmy Bullard(wigan)
Andy Reid (Spurs)
Qunintin Fortune(Man Utd)
Sidwell (Reading)
Papa Bouba Diop(Fulham)
Jiri ( Chelsea)

AJ (Palace)
Luis Boa Morte (Fulham)



Out

Heskey
Izzet
Melchiot
Tiny taylor
Cunningham
Clemence
Sutton
Stan
Gray
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Apr 24 2006, 08:21 PM
k-Bek does it not occur to you that the board looked at the league position in January, crunched the numbers and came to the conclusion that it would be foolhardy to commit themselves to big transfer fees and high wages at that time?

I'd rather have a club to support than one which tried to buy success and failed. There are too many examples of that type of thinking in divisions 2 & 3.

Wrong. The total lack of ambition in January is going to mean relegation, which means a £15 million - £20 million loss of revenue, which means seasons of toil in the Championship.
It would only have taken two or three players in January to get us out of the mess. The club wouldn't have been crippled with debt, as all transfer fees and wages drop on relegation. Karren said at the agm that we wouldn't have to pay £1.5 million for Heskey of we went down, and Forssell. So they do their sums allright and never leave themselves in danger financially.
We need eight or nine new players in the summer regardless of what division we are in. Sadly, all the names mentioned on peoples wish lists here are never going to happen because the board won't spend what it takes, even if Bruce ISN'T the manager.
A net spend of £25 million over four years is ok, but nothing spectacular. Agreed that Bruce could have made better signings. However, the club's turnover is £45 million, it made a £7 million profit the past two years. We get £12 million each year from Sky. The owners are worth £1 billion. Bruce has had to move players on to get others in, he should be adding to the squad not taking away from it. Don't let the anti-Bruce stance cloud judgement because when he's gone, the next manager will have the same problems ie plenty of spin about 'big spending Birmingham' but in reality a lack of genuine investment on top, first choice players, not second and third choices, loans, Bosmans etc
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Why do people want Jolean Lescott? He is overpriced and as a lot of people know he wont last another 4 years in a playing career with knee 'injuries' like the ones he sustained.

If rumours are to be believed then Stephen Kelly and Anthony Gardner(vile fan) of Spurs are done deals.
I would like to see u go for young, hungry players who have the talent to succeed. If Watford dont go up then Marlon King has to be a possibility as a striker. Scored 21 goals this season and is an international player for his country. I said we should have got Darren Bent last jan and he has made it in the prem - King will be a revelation.
If we stay up then we have to sign Butt so thats £2mil straight away.
I would also like to see us go for Green of Norwich - £2.5mil tops.
I alson think we need to look at a natural left wing player. Its great to say we have Dunn but he is not fit enough to bank on. Elliot of Hull is an option, as is Lovenkrands.

I think this should be the possible team

Green(Taylor)

Kelly(Tebily) Latka(Tiny) Gardner(Upson) Sadler(Painter)

Pennant(Wright) DJ(Nafti/Butt) Jiri(Kilkenny) Dunn(Gray/Elliot)

Sutton(Heskey) Forssell(King)

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Apr 25 2006, 08:34 AM

A net spend of £25 million over four years is ok, but nothing spectacular. Agreed that Bruce could have made better signings. However, the club's turnover is £45 million, it made a £7 million profit the past two years. We get £12 million each year from Sky. The owners are worth £1 billion. Bruce has had to move players on to get others in, he should be adding to the squad not taking away from it. Don't let the anti-Bruce stance cloud judgement because when he's gone, the next manager will have the same problems ie plenty of spin about 'big spending Birmingham' but in reality a lack of genuine investment on top, first choice players, not second and third choices, loans, Bosmans etc

Excellent post.

25 million is not a lot to build a premiership team from scratch. We went up with very little of Premiership quality and although momentum keeps you going early doors the whole squad needs changing. Thats 20 plus players to bring in over three or four years.

The main problem for me is that we have refused to pay top prices for young players that will only get better (as Spurs have done and look what it has done for them).

With the exception of Dunn there has to be an element of a bargin all the time with our main signings.

for me the writing was on the wall a long time ago. remember the blond haired 'Marsh" from oxford we got because DS decided they needed 50k to pay the wage bill or they would go into liquidation?

Since then there have been a long list of gambles. Players that may be bargains but are equally likely not to be.

Upson- one of the reasons he was cheap was his injury record had prevented him from playing.
Pennant-enough said
Heskey- 3m down and liverpool were prepared to gamble on us staying up for two seasons to get their cash (they knew he was past his best and as such not worth 6m.
Forsell- cheap because of the severity of his injury
Izzet, Mario-Bosmans
Butt- Newcastle pay some of his wages for a year then we get an England ex midfield player who may recapture his form for 2m

The list goes on.

I dont care who we buy so long as they include a good proportion of young, fit, talented players without bad attitudes or long injury lay offs that are likely to increase in value and as such can be treated as investments not gambles.

That way we may start to get better rather than just survive.
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Apr 25 2006, 09:25 AM
25 million is not a lot to build a premiership team from scratch.

At the end of our first season we finished 13th. Above Villa, Fulham and Bolton, within a point of Charlton and Boro. The table doesn't lie. Over an entire season we had a squad good enough to achieve a solid mid-table in the Premiership. A pretty good platform on which to build.

Most of the spending (£17.5m of the £25m) happened after that. Brucie's botched attempt to "take us to the next level".

p.s. I can't really see what the "element of bargain" was with Heskey (our record signing). Looks more like a straightforward case of paying too much.
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Apr 25 2006, 10:08 AM
honkybluenose
Apr 25 2006, 09:25 AM
25 million is not a lot to build a premiership team from scratch.

At the end of our first season we finished 13th. Above Villa, Fulham and Bolton, within a point of Charlton and Boro. The table doesn't lie. Over an entire season we had a squad good enough to achieve a solid mid-table in the Premiership. A pretty good platform on which to build.

Most of the spending (£17.5m of the £25m) happened after that. Brucie's botched attempt to "take us to the next level".

p.s. I can't really see what the "element of bargain" was with Heskey (our record signing). Looks more like a straightforward case of paying too much.

We finished 13th in the first season because of the lift Dugarry gave us. without him we would have struggled against the drop. lets face it before his inspirational performance in the dressing room and on the pitch against liverpool we were sinking fast. After that remember games like Southampton at home and Charlton away. he won them single handedly.

Unfortunately he could not repeat it the second year.

Of the 17.5m you state for the last three years.

5.5m was Dunn. A brilliant signing and not Bruces fault that injuries have taken him off us.

6.5m is Heskey which I agree was overpaying if that is what we paid but it was not. Only half of this was guaranteed to Liverpool and remember last year he got 11 premiership goals and we voted him player of the year. The other 50% was payable only if we stayed in the premiership which LIVERPOOL gambled on. If we really had 6.5m to spend guaranteed we could have got a better player or Heskey cheaper.

Take these two out and that leaves 5.5m net over 3 years. Not a lot.

Going back to the post if we buy young fit undamaged players that will improve they can be treatd as investments and if we need cash in the future can be sold at a profit. Surely that is better than trying to negotiate a bargain or get damaged goods cheap- a strategy that has I believe come from the board not Bruce
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Apr 25 2006, 12:10 PM
We finished 13th in the first season because of the lift Dugarry gave us. without him we would have struggled against the drop.... Unfortunately he could not repeat it the second year.

Yet for the first 2/3rds of the second year we were mid-table with an outside chance of europe (42 points from our first 27 games).

I believe that we have paid £5m so far for Heskey.

The rest is just excuses : not brucie's fault, the board made him do it, etc, etc. Did they make him sign & sell Gronkjaer, sign & sell Pandiani, sign & sell Blake, sign & sell Morrison, etc ? Isn't Bruce accountable for anything ?
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Apr 25 2006, 12:25 PM
honkybluenose
Apr 25 2006, 12:10 PM
We finished 13th in the first season because of the lift Dugarry gave us. without him we would have struggled against the drop.... Unfortunately he could not repeat it the second year.

Yet for the first 2/3rds of the second year we were mid-table with an outside chance of europe (42 points from our first 27 games).

I believe that we have paid £5m so far for Heskey.

The rest is just excuses : not brucie's fault, the board made him do it, etc, etc. Did they make him sign & sell Gronkjaer, sign & sell Pandiani, sign & sell Blake, sign & sell Morrison, etc ? Isn't Bruce accountable for anything ?

Mr Penguin perhaps your brain is getting frozen and you are mixing your seasons.

I think you will find it was the second season we were top half for the first 2/3. That was just over 2 years ago. before Dunn and Forsell were injured and Bruce was a god.......
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2 Young Central defenders
A rightback
A leftwinger
A central midfield general
A forward

Hangon those are the same positions we we're trying to fill in the summer, and last seaosn.
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The one thing that sticks out to me is Chelsea's Diarra can't get NEAR the Chelsea first team, and they're only signing more central mids.

Please don't mug yourself off by buying another old player with his best years behind him. Buy L.Diarra.

We should be looking to Division 1. Cameron Jerome, AJ, Lescott etc.

I'd probably take Richardson on loan aswell if we could.
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Apr 25 2006, 12:39 PM
mr penguin
Apr 25 2006, 12:25 PM
honkybluenose
Apr 25 2006, 12:10 PM
We finished 13th in the first season because of the lift Dugarry gave us. without him we would have struggled against the drop.... Unfortunately he could not repeat it the second year.

Yet for the first 2/3rds of the second year we were mid-table with an outside chance of europe (42 points from our first 27 games).

I believe that we have paid £5m so far for Heskey.

The rest is just excuses : not brucie's fault, the board made him do it, etc, etc. Did they make him sign & sell Gronkjaer, sign & sell Pandiani, sign & sell Blake, sign & sell Morrison, etc ? Isn't Bruce accountable for anything ?

Mr Penguin perhaps your brain is getting frozen and you are mixing your seasons.

I think you will find it was the second season we were top half for the first 2/3. That was just over 2 years ago. before Dunn and Forsell were injured and Bruce was a god.......

That's what I said : second year. Even without Dugarry on fire we had a team good enough to be in the top half.

That was before Bruce started to spend money to "take us to the next level".
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Kyle-KRO
Apr 24 2006, 11:14 PM
These are a few of the players I would be interested in signing.

RB
Glen Johnson (Chelsea)
Stephen Kelly (Spurs)

CB
Robert Huth (Chelsea)
Joleon Lescott (Wolves)
Souleymane Diawara (Sochaux)
Abdoulaye Meite (Marseille)
John O’Shea (ManU)
Curtis Davies (West Brom)

Mid
Thomas Gravesen (Real Madrid)
Didier Zokora (St. Etienne)
Mathieu Bodmer (Lille)
Modeste M’Bami (PSG)
Boa Morte (Fulham)
Andy Reid (Spurs)

Fwds.
Cameron Jerome (Cardiff)
Fabrizio Miccoli (Benfica)
Halil Altintop (Kaiserslautern)
John Utaka (Rennes)
Ilan (Sochaux)
Eddie Johnson (Kansas City)
Lua Lua (Pompey)

Gk
Tim Howard (ManU)


With a possible team being....

................Howard...............

Kelly...Lescott...Upson...Sadler

Pennant...Jarosik...M'Bami...Reid

............Heskey/Jerome...Utaka...........

Some great choices Kyle but Bruce doesn't have the transfer 'savvy' to spot or even attract that kind of talent.......he'd be looking around Brentford or Oldham again for some bargains,that's for sure

When the NEW manager arrives in the summer (attention Mr Gold ) and presuming we are still in the PL I'd like to see

Robert Green (Norwich) or Chris Kirkland (Liverpool,doubt if he will sign for WBA if they go down)......goalkeeper

Glen Johnson (Chelsea) ....RB
Robert Huth (Chelsea) CB
Tudor (Juventus) CB
John O Shea (Man United) ..CB or LB

Steed Malbranque (Fulham) Midfield
Steven Davis (Aston Villa)...Midfield
Zolten Gera (West Brom) ....Right Midfield
Jiri Jarosik (Chelsea) Midfield ....currently on loan
Nicky Butt (Newcastle) Midfield.......currently on loan

Agree about Utaka and Eddie Johnson
Perhaps an audacious bid or two for

Jermain Defoe (Spurs) striker
Darren Bent (Charlton) striker
Petrov (Celtic)
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Are we forgetting the AJreally should cost us nothing!!!!!!!!!!

You will not get big changes unless we go down when we will lose:

KK
Butt (yeay)
Heskey
Mario
Sutton
Jiri
JP??
Maik???

Dunny, Stan,uppo,issit (Fitt)? and Fors have major q's over their ability to be 100% fit again.

Thats a hell of a lot of replacing for a team dropping out of the prem.

All the players in the previous posts are head in the clouds jobs if we drop.... :( :unsure:
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Are we already forgetting that when we sold AJ many people had been questioning his ability for months?

Are we forgetting that he didn't look half the player people think he is no?

Are we forgetting how people were losing patience with him and saying it would be best if he moves on as he'd gone stale?

Thought so.
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k-bek
Apr 26 2006, 07:28 PM
Are we already forgetting that when we sold AJ many people had been questioning his ability for months?

Are we forgetting that he didn't look half the player people think he is no?

Are we forgetting how people were losing patience with him and saying it would be best if he moves on as he'd gone stale?

Thought so.

All true, but managers - not fans - are paid big money to (a) get the best out of players & (b) make the right call about which players to sell.
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Trevor Frances never looke dlike egtting the best out of AJ. It was mainly under TF that eople began to lose patience with him. When bruce came in AJ didn't look like doing any better so he was sold. 2 managers gave him a chance and he didn't cut it.

He's banging them in for Palace but 11/19 Prem goals were from the spot after he fell over in the box. Hardly Thiery Henry material.
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k-bek
Apr 26 2006, 07:42 PM
Trevor Frances never looke dlike egtting the best out of AJ. It was mainly under TF that eople began to lose patience with him. When bruce came in AJ didn't look like doing any better so he was sold. 2 managers gave him a chance and he didn't cut it.

He's banging them in for Palace but 11/19 Prem goals were from the spot after he fell over in the box. Hardly Thiery Henry material.

(a) "Francis didn't get the best out of AJ either" isn't much of a defence, imo.

(b) Even if you take out the pens (most of which he earned by - shock - running at defenders) he still scored more than Heskey, Sutton & Forssell put together have managed so far this season.
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Clearly judjing by comments on this board we clearly need to sign:

Horsfield
Morrison
Blake
Brian Hughes
Darren Carter
Ian Bennet
Darren Purse

All far better than the players we currently have.
NOT (in case there was any doubting my sarcasm)
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