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| Tweet Topic Started: May 2 2006, 12:42 PM (357 Views) | |
| pgmayhew | May 2 2006, 02:30 PM Post #26 |
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Steve Bruce was "handsomely backed" as you so put it because he GOT US UP into a league where we needed to be handsomely backed. If you look at the team he got us up with, there was no way that even that squad was good enough to survive without new faces - the board knew that and that and so they splashed the cash. Many posters on here have been quick to criticise SB's transfers. I'm the first to agree that there have been some bad ones. But in the same posts, and indeed sentences, there are fans on here lamenting the 'letting go' of robbie savage - who correct me if i'm wrong was brought to the club by bruce was he not? Along with the dugarrys, upsons and cunninghams of this world. Big Trev was not backed by the board as much because he didn't get us out of where we had been just sitting for years. And guess what, his own record in the market was not too great was it? Granted I was a big fan of TF, and still am, but to label SB as a disgrace as some people on here are doing is a tad unfair. I await all further posts pointing out how I am dwelling on the past. But lets look at things in some context. Relegation from the premiership will always be highlighted as a big failure. Because its falling from the highest point. If SB had got us relegated from Div1/Championship, then yes, I would consider that one of the biggest lows in the history of the club. But we got relegated from one of the best leagues in the world. And four years or so ago we could only dream of having been there. So there it is, no spin, no hidden agenda, pure facts. We're all upset and the next few weeks will no doubt determine the future of our club. Whether you want Bruce at the club or not is one thing, to criticise his transfer policies and tactics another, but at least give the man the credit he deserves for elevating our club into a position where we have become better know, greater supported, able to attract better players and all the better for the experience. |
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| mr penguin | May 2 2006, 02:32 PM Post #27 |
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Based on what ? Do you think that DS agrees that SB is "here to stay" ? I think it's 50/50 whether or not he will be here at the start of next season. |
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| bluess7 | May 2 2006, 02:34 PM Post #28 |
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Frank Worthington
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Yes I actually do think DS will be backing SB to stay. |
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| nick_p | May 2 2006, 02:38 PM Post #29 |
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Kenny Burns
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My problem is that I was in your position this time last year. When we finished last season on a relative high - 12th being our highest position for some time - I'd hoped he had turned the corner. The sad thing is, I genuinely believe he hasn't. Nothing changed in terms of transfer targets - again Bruce has stuck to "tried and tested" players, the problem being the fact that if they were still as good as their reputations then they wouldn't be playing for us. His willingness to gamble 45K a week on Sutton who had spent most of the season crocked was again a masterstroke in incompetence. Performances this season have been as poor as Everton and Palace at home last season - slow, predictable and pointless in more ways than the obvious. That's why DJ is our player of the season - he's not got better, but everyone around him as got even worse. Yet even though it doesn't work, Bruce persists with it. Our fitness problems haven't gone away - and again it's the same old story. Players breaking down - and no, it isn't bad luck. Dunn, Izzet et al have all failed to play enough games because they've been rushed back. How many times did these players train for 48 hours before being thrust back into the fray, only to break down again? This is why I'm utterly anti-Bruce - he has shown that he has learned nothing from the mistakes of last season, with the net result being he - and we - have gone backwards into the Championship. I've been striving to find signs that he acknowledges his mistakes, but as soon as he refused to accept that our appalling injury record could be caused by anything other than "bad luck" I realised he's run his course. But I agree - the board are at least as culpable as he is. I wanted him out after losing at home to Everton and Villa, and sadly their failure to act has cost us our Premiership status. |
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| mr penguin | May 2 2006, 02:38 PM Post #30 |
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Agree 100% with that. Of the managers listed, very few had anything like the resources that SB has had. One could argue that Goodwin (via the scouting regime) and Smith (via TF's transfer) had resources too, but the fact is that they were both sacked as a result of their failures to capitalise on them. SB needs to be assessed on the merits of his own performance : - net £25m spent on transfers - average of a point a game for 80+ games - after 4 years of "building" in the premiership, relegation Whether or not Willie Bell would have done any better is beside the point, imo. |
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| bluess7 | May 2 2006, 02:45 PM Post #31 |
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Frank Worthington
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I think Nick, that as I have up until now always been Pro-Bruce, I still feel as though I should defend him. Maybe I'm right ......maybe I'm wrong......only time will tell...... What I can say is, yes I see all the mistakes that everyone else can and yes I can agree with a lot of the anti-Bruce posts in certain aspects......but I have to hope he is learning from his errors and becoming a better manager for it...... therein lies the difference.. |
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| nick_p | May 2 2006, 03:03 PM Post #32 |
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Kenny Burns
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If it's any comfort bluess7 I wish to God I was wrong. I think of most - if not all - of the anti-SB brigade do. It's the performances that do my head in - I can't help but think the team who finished our first season in the Premier League was the best of the lot. They played some bloody good football around Dugarry, and it's since we rushed to replace them with "better" players that the wheels have slowly started to come off... |
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| bluess7 | May 2 2006, 03:07 PM Post #33 |
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Frank Worthington
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Now there's something we agree on **thumbup And I can sympathise with all Blues fans....we all feel the pain in our own way. I just have to stick to my guns and back him to get us back.....it's the way I am I'm afraid. |
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| mr penguin | May 2 2006, 04:05 PM Post #34 |
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If you follow that logic then nobody would ever change their mind about anything. There is a thin line between loyalty and stubborness. I have posted many pro-bruce comments over the years. Even at Christmas time, I was arguing that he deserved the rest of the season, but there comes a point when defending him for the sake of defending him isn't in the club's best interests. |
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| Wisel | May 3 2006, 08:28 AM Post #35 |
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What do you think will decide in that meeting whether he stays or goes mr.penguin? |
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| mr penguin | May 3 2006, 08:31 AM Post #36 |
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Hmm, not sure Wisel. Complete speculation, but my guess is that Sully plans to lay down the law & say "from now on it's going to be like this"... and then leave it up to bruce to accept that or walk. Any thoughts ? |
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| Wisel | May 3 2006, 08:49 AM Post #37 |
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If I go on purely what DS was reported to have said, then one significant element of the questioning will be to do with Bruce's energies to carry on the fight at a competetive level. Or has this campaign taken too much out of him. In the realms of my own opinions. I would also expect Sullivan to give Bruce a real grilling on his 'business plan', if that is the right term for a coach. But you know what I mean. There may also be a request for SB to take a salary cut, along with accepting that he has to sell to make up some of the £20m shortfall. With the stated salary cuts for some players as well. I caould imagine other agenda items which would be great to fly on the wall hear, but enough for now. I imagine it is going to be a tough, and great meeting. Hope so. |
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