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Blues Managers
Topic Started: May 4 2006, 04:05 AM (196 Views)
honkybluenose
Peter Enckelman
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I can remember as far back as Cullis. Here is the list.

2001- Steve Bruce
1996-01 Trevor Francis
1993-96 Barry Fry
1991-93 Terry Cooper
1991 Lou Macari
1989-91 Dave Mackay
1987-89 Garry Pendrey
1986-87 John Bond
1982-86 Ron Saunders
1978-82 Jim Smith
1977-78 Sir Alf Ramsey
1975-77 Willie Bell
1970-75 Fred Goodwin
1965-70 Stan Cullis

They all have one thing in common. They have all won nothing significant.

All things considered which have done better than Bruce and which have done worse?

A few points to consider

The only managers to take us up but not down were Freddie Goodwin and Terry Cooper.
The only managers to take us down but not up was Gary Pendrey
The only manager to take us down twice was Ron Saunders.
All amnagers upto probably Ron saunders benefited from a glorious youth policy that dealt them a conveyer belt of good players (Francis, Latchford, Gallagher, Burns, Dennis, etc.). Managers since have not really enjoyed this benefit.
Freddie Goodwin had the benefit of Francis and Latchford. Sold Latchford for a UK record fee (20m in todays buying power) and survived.
Jim smith sold Francis for a world record fee of 1m (again worth 20m in todats prices) spent the money on a host of players and promptly took us down, only to get us back 2 years later.
The managers fro Ron saunders to Terry Cooper (until the sullivans and Golds arrived) were starved of cash.
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Mr. Blue
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Great :blink:
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Wisel
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Really good overview and comments honkey. Well done for compiling the list.

Don't like to be a mismatcher, but I guess you meant not won anything significant with us, yes? Cos I guess at least the World Cup might be considered significant.

Please don't let my second comment detract from my more serious first. Good work.
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Mikael Forssell
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It's a great list but you've missed out the most successful Blues manager of all time.



Just what have you got against Bill Coldwell honky?
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mr penguin
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honkybluenose
May 4 2006, 04:05 AM
All amnagers upto probably Ron saunders benefited from a glorious youth policy that dealt them a conveyer belt of good players (Francis, Latchford, Gallagher, Burns, Dennis, etc.). Managers since have not really enjoyed this benefit.

Most clubs had a more productive youth scheme in those days. Football has changed since in that (i) the big clubs have become more organised at hoovering up all of the most talented young kids into their academies & (ii) it is more economical for clubs to import the "finished article" from abroad than to bring talent through the ranks.

It's true that Goodwin, etc, had the likes of Francis, Latchford, Burns & Dennis, but they did not really have access to the likes of Dugarry, Forssell, Pandiani, Cisse or Melchiot, so swings & roundabouts really.
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honkybluenose
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mr penguin
May 4 2006, 11:57 AM
honkybluenose
May 4 2006, 04:05 AM
All amnagers upto probably Ron saunders benefited from a glorious youth policy that dealt them a conveyer belt of good players (Francis, Latchford, Gallagher, Burns, Dennis, etc.). Managers since have not really enjoyed this benefit.

Most clubs had a more productive youth scheme in those days. Football has changed since in that (i) the big clubs have become more organised at hoovering up all of the most talented young kids into their academies & (ii) it is more economical for clubs to import the "finished article" from abroad than to bring talent through the ranks.

It's true that Goodwin, etc, had the likes of Francis, Latchford, Burns & Dennis, but they did not really have access to the likes of Dugarry, Forssell, Pandiani, Cisse or Melchiot, so swings & roundabouts really.

Agree with the fact that its swings and roundabouts.

I think the point really is that some of those managers achieved elsewhere, some did not. Some had resources at their disposal, some did not. But they all have one thing in common.

NONE OF THEM GAVE US SUCCESS. And for a club with our fan base that carries the second cities name we should have had some.

Bruce may not be the right guy. He may be a problem. But he is not the only one. The fans have called for the head of many of these managers.

THERE IS SOMETHING AT BLUES MORE FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG THAN THE MANAGER AND UNLESS ITS IDENTIFIED AND FIXED THERE WILL BE THE SAME PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD CALLING FOR THE NEW MANS HEAD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

Thats what history tells you
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Joe
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If Bruce goes, the next bloke under the present regime will have the same problem of not enough cash. Forget the fact that Bruce spent badly the last 18 months, wait for the next bloke and see how he suffers. The hands are staying deep in the pockets this summer I've heard.
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