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Mark Bowen; Bruce's replacement?
Topic Started: May 4 2006, 07:44 PM (264 Views)
garyinash04
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Steve Claridge
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I heard someone today suggesting Bowen could be a shout as next manager at Blues. He still lives in Knowle apparrently and has not attempted to move house.

Thoughts?
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LJL17
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Apparently he has just signed a new 4 year deal with Blackburn alongside Hughes, so I would say not.
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pgmayhew
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Was going to post a similar thread. Good shout but three reasons why its very unlikely.

1) SB is still manager and any talk of replacement is too speculative (grante dthat could soon change)

2) Mark Bowen walked out on us just as much as Savage and in exactly the same manner ie: tapped up by mark hughes - why we would he now want to leave, even if it is for a managerial position?

3) In the process of leaving, rumour has it that he ruffled a few feathers in the boardroom when it came to rejecting the new contract he offered (which he likely did because of point 2)

So in theory yes he'd make a good manager. At the moment there's no vacancy. And in reality it would seem he has pretty much burned all his bridges with the club....Still, stranger things have happened
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pgmayhew
May 4 2006, 07:51 PM
Was going to post a similar thread. Good shout but three reasons why its very unlikely.

1) SB is still manager and any talk of replacement is too speculative (grante dthat could soon change)

2) Mark Bowen walked out on us just as much as Savage and in exactly the same manner ie: tapped up by mark hughes - why we would he now want to leave, even if it is for a managerial position?

3) In the process of leaving, rumour has it that he ruffled a few feathers in the boardroom when it came to rejecting the new contract he offered (which he likely did because of point 2)

So in theory yes he'd make a good manager. At the moment there's no vacancy. And in reality it would seem he has pretty much burned all his bridges with the club....Still, stranger things have happened

good point
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gaz_bcfc_fan
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pgmayhew
May 4 2006, 07:51 PM
Was going to post a similar thread. Good shout but three reasons why its very unlikely.

1) SB is still manager and any talk of replacement is too speculative (grante dthat could soon change)

2) Mark Bowen walked out on us just as much as Savage and in exactly the same manner ie: tapped up by mark hughes - why we would he now want to leave, even if it is for a managerial position?

3) In the process of leaving, rumour has it that he ruffled a few feathers in the boardroom when it came to rejecting the new contract he offered (which he likely did because of point 2)

So in theory yes he'd make a good manager. At the moment there's no vacancy. And in reality it would seem he has pretty much burned all his bridges with the club....Still, stranger things have happened

he didnt walk out - Bruce sacked him

He went straight to the board to ask for a pay rise as compensation for Bruce saying he didnt want him involved in the Welsh set up anymore.

Bruce went mad at this and sacked him


I would have him back tomorrow.
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turley
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That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son
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turley
May 5 2006, 06:36 AM
That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son

Where did you hear this? I have always felt that the real reason for Bowens departure never came out.

Anyway its academic. There is as much chance of this board having Bowen back as there is Newell.
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turley
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I just know!
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Joe
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turley
May 5 2006, 06:36 AM
That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son

That was just one reason. Bruce had good cause to sack him by all accounts. There were a few things that happened. Anyway he's a coach not a manager, Black is every bit as good as him and Bruce isn't going to be sacked, he isn't resigning.
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Joe
May 5 2006, 07:34 AM
turley
May 5 2006, 06:36 AM
That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son

That was just one reason. Bruce had good cause to sack him by all accounts. There were a few things that happened. Anyway he's a coach not a manager, Black is every bit as good as him and Bruce isn't going to be sacked, he isn't resigning.

I agree that Bowen is not a viable shout for manager because he's a coach. But to suggest Black is every bit as good as him doesn't work when the one telling statistic of all - our points return - would suggest anything but. In the two full Premiership seasons Bowen was here we amassed 98 points; in the two seasons Black has been here we've amassed 79 points (possibly 82 if we win tomorrow).
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Joe
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nick_p
May 5 2006, 07:43 AM
Joe
May 5 2006, 07:34 AM
turley
May 5 2006, 06:36 AM
That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son

That was just one reason. Bruce had good cause to sack him by all accounts. There were a few things that happened. Anyway he's a coach not a manager, Black is every bit as good as him and Bruce isn't going to be sacked, he isn't resigning.

I agree that Bowen is not a viable shout for manager because he's a coach. But to suggest Black is every bit as good as him doesn't work when the one telling statistic of all - our points return - would suggest anything but. In the two full Premiership seasons Bowen was here we amassed 98 points; in the two seasons Black has been here we've amassed 79 points (possibly 82 if we win tomorrow).

There's not that much difference in points total is there. We won one of the last 11 games when Bowen was here. Perhaps the manager has lost it since Bowen has gone, the coach doesn't pick the team, you can only work with the players you have and if those players are crocked, ageing, not committed, have no pace etc, who carries the can for that? This 'we've gone downhill since Bowen left' is so simplistic. If you speak to players about Black they will tell you how good he is at his job. Look at the manager's input, look at the board's input.
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Joe
May 5 2006, 07:50 AM
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May 5 2006, 07:43 AM
Joe
May 5 2006, 07:34 AM
turley
May 5 2006, 06:36 AM
That wasn't the real reason. The real reason concerned the academy's decision regarding his son

That was just one reason. Bruce had good cause to sack him by all accounts. There were a few things that happened. Anyway he's a coach not a manager, Black is every bit as good as him and Bruce isn't going to be sacked, he isn't resigning.

I agree that Bowen is not a viable shout for manager because he's a coach. But to suggest Black is every bit as good as him doesn't work when the one telling statistic of all - our points return - would suggest anything but. In the two full Premiership seasons Bowen was here we amassed 98 points; in the two seasons Black has been here we've amassed 79 points (possibly 82 if we win tomorrow).

There's not that much difference in points total is there. We won one of the last 11 games when Bowen was here. Perhaps the manager has lost it since Bowen has gone, the coach doesn't pick the team, you can only work with the players you have and if those players are crocked, ageing, not committed, have no pace etc, who carries the can for that? This 'we've gone downhill since Bowen left' is so simplistic. If you speak to players about Black they will tell you how good he is at his job. Look at the manager's input, look at the board's input.

The difference was enough to determine whether or not we stay in this division. Don't get me wrong - I blame Steve Bruce fully for our predicament, because it's ultimately his responsibility. Judging from the performances on the pitch - never mind the results - there is clearly a problem with the whole management setup. That problem was evident from the opening months of last season, so why wasn't anything done about it last summer? Black did well at Coventry playing good football, but that hasn't manifested itself at Blues.

The players might tell you they love Black's coaching, but it doesn't exactly translate itself in terms of the quality of football played on the pitch, does it? To be brutally honest, the attitude of the players this season - the last seven games apart when Sullivan finally broke ranks and blasted them in public - makes me reluctant to take their word for anything.

Blues faded at the end of Bowen's last season because Bruce had released seven players during the course of the season and brought in only one. As I recall the names of the team didn't change much in that 11-game run because we didn't have a squad to allow Bruce to rotate anyone. We simply ran out of puff - yet even during that eight-game winless streak at the end of the season we were still stubborn and competitive enough to draw five of those games.
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When Bowen fell out with Bruce he also fell out with the Golds, Sully and Karren - somehow i cant see him going back on this. There has been too much water gone under the bridge for them to ever form a working relationship in the future.
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