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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 4 2014, 09:52 PM (1,139 Views) | |
| Des | Jun 17 2014, 10:15 AM Post #51 |
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murasame certainly wouldn't comparew rooney with becks, the latter was mr consistency and I don't know how many MOTM awards he got while playing for the national side plus he was 100% loved by the England Wembley attendees. Rooney failed miserably in Germany & south Africa, as well as 2010 euros so if he is to go doqwn as a world class England player he will have to shine in Brazil, TBF he did make Stirridges goal AND who ever said he had a defensive side to his game? |
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| thehod | Jun 17 2014, 10:31 AM Post #52 |
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Frankly, I'm amazed Baines hasn't come in for more criticism with his failure to close down the cross for their second. For an international level defender, it was unforgivable the amount of space and time he gave him. |
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| Des | Jun 17 2014, 01:11 PM Post #53 |
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Hod Fair point bout Harty, thought he `MIGHT` have came for cross for second, just unlucky with first though. KRO |
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| murasame | Jun 17 2014, 03:51 PM Post #54 |
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I'm not sure that was always the case. I seem to recall a lot of criticism being directed at David Beckham between 2003 and 2006, mostly as a result of his indifferent performances and his constant drifting out of position from the wing into the centre. Then there was the fact he seemed to be regarded as un-droppable by the manager and seemingly always had to be accommodated somewhere, regardless of the resulting negative effect on the balance of the rest of the team. Do you remember when we lost to Northern Ireland after Sven Goran Eriksson tried playing Beckham in the 'quarterback' role? All because he wanted to play Shaun Wright-Phillips on the right but still felt he had to fit Beckham into the side somewhere. He was the ex-golden boy who still seemed to be relying on his past reputation to justify selection, much like Rooney is today. What got the fans back on Beckham's side was Steve McClaren's decision to axe him from the squad entirely following the World Cup in 2006, something even his fiercest critic would acknowledge was totally unfair. This was enhanced by his reaction to this set back where instead of meekly announcing his international retirement as many others would have done he instead showed an incredible desire to force by his way back into the England set-up. When he eventually succeeded it was clear that it meant the world to him to be representing his country again, which was such a contrast to the majority of the squad who seemed to regard turning up to play for England as a chore. A player who shows this level of dedication is always going to become a fan favourite, but let's not pretend it was always that way. |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 08:47 AM Post #55 |
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Yet another dull performance from Rooney (cue Partisan's drivvle that he scored a goal, yes a tap-in) Accommodating Rooney has again cost us dearly in a top competition. This time he has cost one or two a place in the team and yesterday he also forced two players to play differently to how they performed against Italy. Surely there will be no place Rooney when the Ox and Walcott are fit not forgetting when Wilshere is fully match fit. Add to them Barcklay, Lallama, Sterling, Sturridge and Welbeck and we have 8 players who are more deserving a place in front of the serial under-performer Rooney. England just never learn, do they? Edited by lowdham bluenose, Jun 20 2014, 08:49 AM.
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| pooley | Jun 20 2014, 08:59 AM Post #56 |
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Scored 1 and set 1 up of the two goals we scored, a pretty good return if you ask me |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 09:24 AM Post #57 |
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Stats in isolation mean nothing Pooley. That goal against Italy was because of Sterling's magnificent ball through to Rooney, a ball that took out 4 Italy players. Sterling was unable to do that last night because Woy had to accommodate Rooney in that roll. I'm sorry but tournament after tournament he is a dud. We finally have a crop of youngsters who can do the job. Let's forget the Rooneys, Lampards and Gerrards and get on with the future. Henderson Lallama Barklay Sterling The Ox Sturridge That'll be nice for Tuesday. Let's finish the competition on a high. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 10:11 AM Post #58 |
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Lowdham .....give it a rest , eh ? You're just another agenda merchant You are browbeating us to death with your way off the mark opinions about WR Yes, Rooney scored a goal (his first in World Cup Finals.....at least he got that monkey off his back), a tap in as you say but at least he was in the right place at the right time ......by your theory then the Sturridge goal against Italy was a tap in as well .....Rooney has put in as much effort into these two games as any other England player , I am certainly not going to make him the scapegoat although I know a blinkered agenda merchant like you will ....as will some of the 'know it all' media You brag on about Llalana and Lambert but those two offered absolutely nothing when they came on......and Barklay ran into a wall of Uruguay defenders time and time again and tried to do too much .....They're are all very good players and the future of England but the inexperience between the three of them showed up in the latter stages .....Sturridge had a poor game apart from the odd glimpse of his ability to beat players in the box for pace plus he tried to break the net from 30 yards and instead broke a seat in Row W ............and Welbeck was virtually invisible during the 1st half I don't think England played that badly against Uruguay....in fact for much of the 2nd half we had them on the back foot.....but we also looked very shaky at the back and Joe Hart seemed to be really lacking in confidence throughout the whole game Before the match I said if we could keep the shackles on Suarez we would probably win........Unfortunately we didn't do that, he's a world class striker who showed the whole world how to take those few and far chances that come in high stakes games like this one...........something all England strikers have failed to do for quite a few years now in big tournaments Suarez and clinical finishing was the only real difference in Sao Paulo .....although early in the 2ns half they could have gone 3-0 up , Cavani missed an absolute sitter and he's considered a top drawer striker, his goal helped clinch La Liga for Atletico Madrid Never mind my drivvle (it's drivel actually) .......you seem to always spout it , especially about Rooney, one of the top players in the England squad It was awful defending and our persistent terrible final delivery where it matters that has cost England once again Although mathematically we are not even out of the WC yet.....If Italy can win big today v Costa Rica and against Uruguay we can still save our own bacon by beating CR .....Although the odds are stacked against us.....not team has ever gone through after losing the first 2 group games :EngFlag: Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jun 20 2014, 10:19 AM.
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 10:23 AM Post #59 |
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Well, I wasn't wrong there. What a surprise. Parti, you love to wallow in failure and dross but stop boring the pants off us all with your drivvle. If you want England to continue as serial competition failures then fair do's but stop sprawling your verbal diarrhoea on us all. Oh and by the way, I have never mentioned Lambert. He's not my type of player. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2014, 10:30 AM Post #60 |
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He must be good if a goal in France clinched the league title in Spain |
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| franscar | Jun 20 2014, 10:32 AM Post #61 |
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Forget it, it's not worth it. Ignore the fact that we've conceded four goals in two games, it's all Rooney's fault. Forget the fact that he was involved in both the goals England scored, it's still all his fault. And people wonder why footballers can't be bothered with the national side... |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 10:39 AM Post #62 |
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I don't love to wallow in failure at all.....In this World Cup England have certainly improved since the last WC when we had the overpaid muppet Capello in charge .....Against Italy we were very unlucky to lose ....and with a better final delivery and more concentrated defending we should have actually beaten Uruguay Ripe coming from you who couldn't even bring himself to wallow in the massive success of a Carling Cup win at Wembley at club level ......Oh ! you do spout that drivel very welll
Yes we know.....he's actually a decent footballer :LMAO: |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 10:40 AM Post #63 |
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What are your excuses for Rooney in 2006, 2010 and 2012? He's a serial failure on the big stage. It'll be interesting to see how the new Man U manager is going to accommodate him with RVP. Edited by lowdham bluenose, Jun 20 2014, 10:40 AM.
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 10:42 AM Post #64 |
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:LMAO: so played 2 lost 2 is not failure? My God Parti you talk some tripe. McLeish is your best joke but this is running a close second. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 10:45 AM Post #65 |
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Just quoting the commentator , Ian Darke..... Guess he meant Gimenez by the look of things ....who I think does play for Atletico Well spotted though......even for a sarky smart a**e like you **thumbup Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jun 20 2014, 10:48 AM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2014, 10:49 AM Post #66 |
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Just trying to keep drivel off the board, don't take it personally. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 10:51 AM Post #67 |
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Cancel your own log in account then **thumbup |
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2014, 10:56 AM Post #68 |
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The gentleman in question is Diego Godin, his equalizer against Barcelona clinched the title for Atletico. You should really stop quoting other people's comments & passing them off as your own, when it's wrong you can look a bit of a buffoon. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 10:58 AM Post #69 |
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Considering Man United have just agreed his new contract worth a reported 300K a week , I'm sure Wayne will be more than 'accommodated' Van Gaal may just bring out the best in both of them Van Persie has actually been linked with a move to Bayern or Real if I'm not mistaken KRO |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 11:00 AM Post #70 |
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Was he the one who slapped Sturridge in the neck, a 2nd bookable offence so really should not have even been on the pitch for most of the game ? feed.back |
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2014, 11:01 AM Post #71 |
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That's the one, well spotted. |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 11:04 AM Post #72 |
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The rumoured move was before the Van Gaal appointment. RVP is full of Van Gaal in his interviews before and during the WC. I think he has got 3 goals to date as well, one of them top drawer, world class. Rooney's £300k was agree with Moyes. It's a different ballpark now. As I said "it'll be interesting" |
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| PartisanBCFC | Jun 20 2014, 11:14 AM Post #73 |
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Different ballpark.....really ???? :LMAO: I think you'll find Moyes had nothing to do with it In fact it's more likely Sir Alex and the Manchester United ownership agreed to pay him a new deal Chelsea bid 20 million for him last season (rejected) and there was also interest from PSG and Real Madrid It's all right , he cr@p in your eyes and that's all that counts on here doesn't it ? :LMAO: By the way did you know Wayne Rooney is Manchester United's third highest goal scorer of all time (216) ?? .....only behind Sir Bobby Charlton and Denis Law bet you didn't .....get back to those pork pies :LOL: |
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| lowdham bluenose | Jun 20 2014, 12:03 PM Post #74 |
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Aother bit of proof that you cannot comprehend. Re-read my posts and you will see that I acknowledge his scoring and performances against the smaller clubs such as Fulham, Blues, Stoke, West Ham etc in domestic football and his goals in the CL league stages against Malmo, Anderlecht, Grasshoppers etc. Yes he scores goals in those games but where is he on the big stage. Nowhere. Now then Sir Bobby and Dennis did score in all games, including the big games. |
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| franscar | Jun 20 2014, 12:19 PM Post #75 |
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Five Premier Leagues, a European Cup, a Club World Cup and two League Cups. Starter at one of the biggest clubs in the world for the last ten years. Highest scoring Englishman ever in the Champions League. Serial failure. The 'excuse' for Rooney at major international tournaments is quite simple really: England aren't very good. That isn't Wayne Rooney's fault, it's the fault of several generations that have demanded instant success at the cost of long-term development, complained about the lack of long-term development, and then continued demanding instant success. Same thing is still going on now, despite the fact that all England have done in this World Cup is lose narrowly to two sides rated higher than them in the world rankings, with a side containing a number of inexperienced young players. Wayne Rooney was designated the scapegoat before the football even began, and, true to form, he's getting it in the neck despite the captain being utterly inconsequential in both games. Rooney has scored a goal and set one up. England are out because they have conceded four times in two games. Only someone who decided they were blaming Rooney for England's inevitable failure before the tournament would persist in this bizarre line of argument. Nobody is going to buy it just because you keep on, relentlessly, tediously saying it. A goal and an assist in two games is not serial failure in anyone's book. |
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