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Kenny Cunningham Comments; - merged threads
Topic Started: May 11 2006, 06:33 AM (4,032 Views)
Joe
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Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 02:08 PM
There are 2 sides to every story and its not uncommon for ex employees to criticise their ex employer especially when things have gone badly, such as relegation, falling sales a factory closure and so on.

I can see a lot of sense in what Kenny said about the team preparation, one only has to look at the performances on the pitch since Bowen went.

I don’t except the criticism of the board.

The last captain to be so damning about a Blues Board was Vince Overson and sadly he was right but on this occasion I think Kenny is wrong. The club is a vibrant one and all external commentators would say the same. Some fans on here even criticise the club for getting sponsorship for various things and I think that is churlish and not called for. The intention of the sponsorship is to generate funds for the club.

For all those of you sticking the boot in on the Board cast your mind back (if you were around then) to when Vince Overson was complaining.

Kenny Cunningham was spot on about the board.
Take off your lovey dovey rose tinted specs.
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May 11 2006, 03:16 PM
hemphizzx
May 11 2006, 03:12 PM
dos the mail say something about more reveleations to come tomorrow
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or is just more of the orig post interview ?

If anyone wants to read all six parts of the article follow the link.

http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_python.htmp=83

Or if the link is US follow the next link and open the "CUNNINGHAM FILES" Joys and Sorrows Web Blog.


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Birmingham+City
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Joe
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Anyone seen tonight's Birmingham Mail? It goes into more detail about what he says. It looks like bits were cut out of Ian Clarkson's stuff. It's gripping stuff and I'm glad someone has come out and had the balls to tell it like it is against manager and board.
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May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

I believe Kenny was suggesting that the internal aspects of the club were a lifeless corpse in comparison to the vibrancy experienced at Wimbledon. Being a PLC and not having a chairman who runs round the track-permiter waving his arms about are two of the reasons for this, although I suspect he was alluding to more personal aspects experienced during his time....
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May 11 2006, 03:23 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

I believe Kenny was suggesting that the internal aspects of the club were a lifeless corpse in comparison to the vibrancy experienced at Wimbledon. Being a PLC and not having a chairman who runs round the track-permiter waving his arms about are two of the reasons for this, although I suspect he was alluding to more personal aspects experienced during his time....

nice one
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May 11 2006, 03:18 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 02:08 PM
There are 2 sides to every story and its not uncommon for ex employees to criticise their ex employer especially when things have gone badly, such as relegation, falling sales a factory closure and so on.

I can see a lot of sense in what Kenny said about the team preparation, one only has to look at the performances on the pitch since Bowen went. 

I don’t except the criticism of the board.

The last captain to be so damning about a Blues Board was Vince Overson and sadly he was right but on this occasion I think Kenny is wrong.  The club is a vibrant one and all external commentators would say the same. Some fans on here even criticise the club for getting sponsorship for various things and I think that is churlish and not called for. The intention of the sponsorship is to generate funds for the club.

For all those of you sticking the boot in on the Board cast your mind back (if you were around then) to when Vince Overson was complaining.

Kenny Cunningham was spot on about the board.
Take off your lovey dovey rose tinted specs.

Ok Joe

Please tell me how the club having no soul maniefests itself.
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May 11 2006, 04:17 PM
The below appeared in the Mail last week.

"Kenny Cunningham today expressed his belief that Blues were capable of bouncing straight back to the Premiership next season, writes Colin Tattum in today's Birmingham Mail."

What a difference a week makes.

:unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

BEFORE Steve attacked the players, and tarred them all with the same brush.

That was just the captain trying to be upbeat, and ease some of the pain many fans would have felt.

Then Steve goes public in an attempt to spread the blame, avoid responsibility and show what a "top bloke" he is by not naming names.

Kenny did not sit by and keep quiet then, did he.

Yes a week is long time, especially when you get attacked by "Mr Loyal" - after you've packed your bags and gone, and have no club access to answer the criticisms. The only avenue is the media.

Would Sullivan have let KC have a press conference at wast hills ?

Did Sullivan criticise his manager...EVER.... ? We don't know. But players are fair game aren't they? Bunch of over-paid lumps.

"Blame them and we're in the clear lads"


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May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

The soul of a club is the very reason it exists... It's the 'Vision', the 'Direction', the 'Raison d'etre'... it's the manifestation of everyone pulling in the same direction with a common purpose... under strong visionary and passionate leadership. I think KC eleudes to the fact that this is very much missing at St Andrews... with the exception if the fans of course.
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May 11 2006, 03:29 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

The soul of a club is the very reason it exists... It's the 'Vision', the 'Direction', the 'Raison d'etre'... it's the manifestation of everyone pulling in the same direction with a common purpose... under strong visionary and passionate leadership. I think KC eleudes to the fact that this is very much missing at St Andrews... with the exception if the fans of course.

Do you mean like all the fans on here?
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He is drawing comparisons with Wimbledon, where Hamman had everyone as one happy family and got the best out of them. The 'soul' of Birmingham, or the reason for it's being as far as the owners are concerned is to make money. There is no harmony between playing side and board/commercial side. Us fans are stuck in the middle still supporting. It's not about the 'soul' anyway the point is that they make money but won't invest it in the team to a proper degreee, regardless of who the manager is. Hence, no promotion.
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May 11 2006, 03:30 PM
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May 11 2006, 03:29 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

The soul of a club is the very reason it exists... It's the 'Vision', the 'Direction', the 'Raison d'etre'... it's the manifestation of everyone pulling in the same direction with a common purpose... under strong visionary and passionate leadership. I think KC eleudes to the fact that this is very much missing at St Andrews... with the exception if the fans of course.

Do you mean like all the fans on here?

Yes Blueshrew... I mean ALL the fans on here!!! We may have differences of opinion at a 'tactical' level, disagreements about players, managers, the Board and many other issues, BUT, I'm sure EVERYONE wants the same in the long-term. That's the point I make about 'soul'... it's about VISION... the future. There will always be differences of opinion about how we get there. KC's comments obviously suggest that this is lacking at the heart of the club with the people who can make a difference! ;)
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May 11 2006, 03:35 PM
He is drawing comparisons with Wimbledon, where Hamman had everyone as one happy family and got the best out of them. The 'soul' of Birmingham, or the reason for it's being as far as the owners are concerned is to make money. There is no harmony between playing side and board/commercial side. Us fans are stuck in the middle still supporting. It's not about the 'soul' anyway the point is that they make money but won't invest it in the team to a proper degreee, regardless of who the manager is. Hence, no promotion.

Rubbish

No Board in our History has invested more money in players than this one and thats a fact.

The Chairman gets chucked in a a puddle by a load of players and let the first team set fire to his cap or maybe he could become friends with the Zulu Warriers and invite them into his office for a cup of tea. That will put a smile back on everyones face and reunite the club...............

For F.... Sake
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May 11 2006, 03:36 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 03:30 PM
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May 11 2006, 03:29 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 03:11 PM
Please someone explain a club with out a soul where and how does this manifest itself.

The soul of a club is the very reason it exists... It's the 'Vision', the 'Direction', the 'Raison d'etre'... it's the manifestation of everyone pulling in the same direction with a common purpose... under strong visionary and passionate leadership. I think KC eleudes to the fact that this is very much missing at St Andrews... with the exception if the fans of course.

Do you mean like all the fans on here?

Yes Blueshrew... I mean ALL the fans on here!!! We may have differences of opinion at a 'tactical' level, disagreements about players, managers, the Board and many other issues, BUT, I'm sure EVERYONE wants the same in the long-term. That's the point I make about 'soul'... it's about VISION... the future. There will always be differences of opinion about how we get there. KC's comments obviously suggest that this is lacking at the heart of the club with the people who can make a difference! ;)

Are you telling me that the club has ever had better direction from a board than the current board and if yes can you tell me when this was and what evidence you have to support such a claim.
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The "soulless, lifeless corpse" comment is a result of the board (including KB and Perry Deakin) pursuing a commercial strategy based purely on short-term financial objectives.

The net results have been :

- bcfc turned into a generic, bland, corporate business; indistinguishable from any other medium-sized football club

- dilution of the bond between the clubs and the fans

- a missed opportunity to grow the underlying fan base

- lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction

They are a perfect illustration of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.



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May 11 2006, 04:00 PM
The "soulless, lifeless corpse" comment is a result of the board (including KB and Perry Deakin) pursuing a commercial strategy based purely on short-term financial objectives.

The net results have been :

- bcfc turned into a generic, bland, corporate business; indistinguishable from any other medium-sized football club

- dilution of the bond between the clubs and the fans

- a missed opportunity to grow the underlying fan base

- lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction

They are a perfect illustration of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I'm afraid you might have lost some people. ;)
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May 11 2006, 04:00 PM
The "soulless, lifeless corpse" comment is a result of the board (including KB and Perry Deakin) pursuing a commercial strategy based purely on short-term financial objectives.

The net results have been :

- bcfc turned into a generic, bland, corporate business; indistinguishable from any other medium-sized football club

- dilution of the bond between the clubs and the fans

- a missed opportunity to grow the underlying fan base

- lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction

They are a perfect illustration of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I am afraid you must be clever than me.

I thought the Board sanctioned signings such as Dunn, Heskey, Pennant, Forssel, Pandiani, Izzit and Nafti to take us in the direction of a European cup place. Not as a way of diluting the bond between the club and the fans. I am sure that by not signing these players they would have grow the underlying fan base and I am convinced that a lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction is a load of mumbo jumbo and doesn’t say anything.

They are a perfect illustration of knowing the price of relegation is the players we paid a lot of money for and too have little value.
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May 11 2006, 04:19 PM
I am convinced that a lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction is a load of mumbo jumbo and doesn’t say anything.


Nah, not mumbo jumbo. Probably off topic for this thread, but I have many years experience in building brands, increasing customer loyalty & growing a customer base. The commercial dept at the blues haven't got a clue.

PD's vision was to make blues recognised as the "most progressive football club". Asked what that means, the examples he gave were all about being more attractive to corporate sponsors.

Cr@p strategy, poorly executed. Clueless.
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The one area I disagree with KK about is the non-Brummie comment. I actually think that where the board is from is irrelevant and they have shown enough passion about the club in my eyes to make that unwarranted. If they trully wanted to run us as another generic business why would they bother attending most games etc. and commuting up here. All they would have to do is let KB as MD go about the day to day grind and only make big strategic decisions and appearances at major events. They don't they take an active interest. Also despite what people may think whether it be as loans or otherwise the board have put money into the club when needed which they did not have to do and IMO are generally a good board to have. Granted this season they have made grievous errors but on balance I am glad they are here and wouldn't want to exchange them lightly.

If the players feel that they are somehow distant/unapproachable and don't feel that they are part of the broader BCFC team then obviously the board need to address this. However this has nothing to do with them not being locals and hence lacking passion but more with employee communications.

As for the rest of the stuff I think KC hit the nail on the head and mirrored exactly what a lot of us have been talking about this season.

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May 11 2006, 04:29 PM
Blueshrew
May 11 2006, 04:19 PM
I am convinced that a lack of a compelling long term vision or sense or direction is a load of mumbo jumbo and doesn’t say anything.


Nah, not mumbo jumbo. Probably off topic for this thread, but I have many years experience in building brands, increasing customer loyalty & growing a customer base. The commercial dept at the blues haven't got a clue.

PD's vision was to make blues recognised as the "most progressive football club". Asked what that means, the examples he gave were all about being more attractive to corporate sponsors.

Cr@p strategy, poorly executed. Clueless.

I am sorry I disagree

I don’t wish to argue with you over which of us has the most experience but I sold a brand 2 years ago and have retired at the age of 41 so I know a little bit.

Karen Brady’s commercialism ability is undoubtedly amongst the best in the business. She is a non Executive Director of companies such as Mother Care and she has got over £100k for the club out of someone just because the team wear their names on the sock hold ups.
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May 11 2006, 04:47 PM
she has got over £100k for the club out of someone just because the team wear their names on the sock hold ups.

short term financial, not strategic brand building ;-)
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May 11 2006, 04:48 PM
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May 11 2006, 04:47 PM
she has got over £100k for the club out of someone just because the team wear their names on the sock hold ups.

short term financial, not strategic brand building ;-)

OK Mr Branson tell me what they should do to build the BCFC brand how this will help Heskey stick the ball in the net from 8 yards.
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I Am shocked at KK's comments like the rest of you but TBH feel that he wouldnt of said this if he was still at the club.

Someone said last week that he said We had the belief of getting back up not like today wheres hes totally lambastred us!
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Of course he wouldn't have said these things if he was still at the club :rolleyes: ,and he only said we would go back up as he was still employed by BCFC at the time. Simple fact is from the mouths of Cunningham and vaesen plain and simple Bruce has not got it , how many more Revelations will come out before you see the real Steve Bruce :(
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Not being bitter at all is he?

For pity's sake people, for a moment stop with the blind hatred of Bruce and realise what these comments actually are; the ramblings of a bitter former employee who has been denied another season to pick up cash while slowly becoming a shell of the immense player he once was.

I don't blame him for lashing out, but you can't read too much into it.

Ditto the poor championship keeper.
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May 11 2006, 04:52 PM
OK Mr Branson tell me what they should do to build the BCFC brand how this will help Heskey stick the ball in the net from 8 yards.

Have pm'd you to avoid hijacking the thread.
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