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Kenny Cunningham Comments; - merged threads
Topic Started: May 11 2006, 06:33 AM (4,030 Views)
BG-BLUE
Garry Pendrey
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What a load of b*****k's.

Their fitness levels were so much better before the "fitness coach" went were'nt they,how does he explain the better form in the second half of the season then :huh:

Typical thick footballer,opens his gob,but has'nt a clue what he's on about.

The truth is nobody at the club has got the b*****k's to take responsibility for their actions,including players,manager,coaches and the board!!

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things like this are not going to attract players to the club kenny should of kept quiet or either said what he thought of bruce before he left
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May 11 2006, 09:50 PM
things like this are not going to attract players to the club kenny should of kept quiet or either said what he thought of bruce before he left

Do you think he's bovvered,does he look bovvered.....
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May 11 2006, 08:58 PM
railwayboy
May 11 2006, 09:50 PM
things like this are not going to attract players to the club kenny should of kept quiet or either said what he thought of bruce before he left

Do you think he's bovvered,does he look bovvered.....

know kennys left know course his not bovard but i thought kenny was a reliable (i spelt it wrong i think :unsure: )player that he would never let the club down when he retired i thougth he would of got a job at the club or something
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so everyone is to blame except the players, Kenny?

nothing to do with you not being offered a new contract?

i bet you would not have said anything with a nice contract under your belt
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pmsl

the bloke gave us his final years of a top flight career. ROI captain

he never said or a did a thing wrong off or on the pitch

now everyone is saying he is a "prat"

his comments are justified

the squad looked completly unfit start of the season, first home game of the season we looked knackered with 30 mins to go

we go into the season with only one fit striker who struggles to score goals then we play him as the lone striker for 4 months, FACT

our owners, well money comes first, they run this club as a business not as a hobby, i am sick of the PR stunts by our owners saying blah blah blah, we didnt have the squad to stay up neither did we spend enough to stay up in january, our owners are worth a cool 3/4 billion between them but we can muster £500k on a striker and a loan when we needed them the most

I agree with kenny's comments and any true blue who has witnessed our football the last 18 months will agree with his comments

sorry but dont have a go at him, have a go at the players who bruce brought in who didnt give a s**t and the manager who didnt have the backbone to sort these problems out
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For the best part of a season and a half many people have voiced concerns with regards to steve bruce and his managerial ability - many of the comments were scoffed at and it seemed at time if you were anti bruce then you were anti blues.
Personally I sat on the fence sometimes leaning one way, sometimes the other - ultimately despite my misgivings about Bruce at times, I always thought that we had the players to keep us up - How wrong I was

Now the comments from our ex captain just set in stone the views of various fans on here, although some of his comments may be down to being a little bit bitter I also believe that the core of his comments are truthful.
Bruce is not the man to lead Birmingham City Football Club back to the Premiership and I feel that the Board know this - however I doubt very much that they will sack him, to do so would be paramount to agreeing with cunningham and that would make public that they knew the club was sliding off the map but did nothing of substance to stop it.

So it seems the buck and the short term future remains with Mr. Bruce - a man that has been pilloiried by what should have been an allie, A man that is now no longer wanted by the fans and is probally no longer trusted or respected by the remaining players or the board.
Now the sensible thing would be for Mr.Bruce to leave and lick his wounds - however sensible and steve dosent seem to go hand in hand - I feel that his own ignorance will make him believe that he is the man to do the job.

So we not see the back of bruce until at least xmas.

I hope I am wrong as a quick end to this nonsense is what is needed not a protracted farce

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If only KK was as vocal on the pitch for the club as he has now been off it then maybe we wouldn't be where we are now. Kenny talks in depth about team affairs such as the striker shortage and the lack of a midfield play-maker but he talks about the defence only fleetingly in third person mode as if wasn't part of it.

Maybe he's uncovered some skeletons in the cupboard but on the whole, as a man, he's just let himself down and if he really cared about the club he wouldn't have done it.
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May 11 2006, 10:29 PM
If only KK was as vocal on the pitch for the club as he has now been off it then maybe we wouldn't be where we are now. Kenny talks in depth about team affairs such as the striker shortage and the lack of a midfield play-maker but he talks about the defence only fleetingly in third person mode as if wasn't part of it.

Maybe he's uncovered some skeletons in the cupboard but on the whole, as a man, he's just let himself down and if he really cared about the club he wouldn't have done it.

I genuinely think KK has done this club a massive favour in saying what he has. It may force the board to actually do something positive for the club, like get rid of the current manager.

KK IS A BLOOMIN' HERO!! **thumbup **thumbup
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NOt sure if you've read the whole artical if you're just making your assesment from the headlines you may have read on here but.........

According to Kenny, the underlying problem is with the whole set up at the club and the fact that the board are not prepared to finance a sufficient back room staff. Therefore if that is the case, a change in manager will only provide a short term solution at best.
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May 11 2006, 08:20 AM
TJDIXI
May 11 2006, 08:03 AM
will_bcfc
May 11 2006, 07:58 AM
Specific
Measurable
Accepted
Realistic
Time-related
Exciting
Recordable


i remember SMART but didn't realise there was a SMARTER as well.

Higher Tier PE mate, Higher Tier :P

The SMARTER version I've had drilled in is different:

Specific
Measurable
Accepted
Realisitic
Time-bound
Evaluable
Recordable
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May 11 2006, 10:46 PM
NOt sure if you've read the whole artical if you're just making your assesment from the headlines you may have read on here but.........

According to Kenny, the underlying problem is with the whole set up at the club and the fact that the board are not prepared to finance a sufficient back room staff. Therefore if that is the case, a change in manager will only provide a short term solution at best.

No, I read every word of the Post article. He identified where short-cuts had been made by the board, like the fitness coach and policy, and the "soulless" comment was interesting. But to me what seems to have riled Kenny is that the board let it get to this point. MOST of the article IS about Bruce. He is scathing about the board, yes, but let's go through it paragraph by paragraph:

On players not wanting to play - criticism of Bruce

On relegation - about Bruce's clueless formation, gambling on 3 strikers who weren't all fit, and clueless tactics

Raising the issues
"Unfortunately, and I take no pleasure in saying this, the reason was due to a lack of organisation, preparation and attention to detail at the football club.
"The only person who must take responsibility for that is the manager.
"The performance of the team on Saturday is directly influenced by what goes on and off the training pitch for the six days prior to that game. That is a fact. For me, our preparation was nowhere near good enough."

Crisis meetings
Bruce's lack of preparation

On injuries
Joint critism of the Board and Bruce

On the fitness coach
Criticism of the board

The Club
Criticism of the board

On next season
Criticism of the board

On the owners
Criticism of the board

On the manager
Bruce is clueless.

All in all, I find it amazing, and actually inspiring, that KC can tell it like it is, despite the fact that he has worked under Bruce these last few years. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Read the quote in red again. Bruce is the root of the problem.
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Bluebird
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Didn't Vaessen allude to what Kenny has said earlier in the week?
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I;ve ?d Bruce's tactics on many occassions, his 4-3-1-2 with a score of leftbacks in midfield, that culminated in the 7-nil, HOME defeat at Liverpool was pathetic, the use of Pandiani as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 was pathetic, the failure to recognise the 2 greatest indicators of our imminent relegation; 1 - Leaky defene, 2 - Impotent strikeforce, was pathetic!

...I dont know why managers are so afraid of change. Simply playing the 4-4-2 because everybody else does, is not going to garuntee you premiership survival. Tactics should be defined by your best starting 11. Its obvious Bruce's wealth of tactical know-how, offered no more than a squashing of whatever players were available into a predefined formation, the only 1 that he had a vague idea of how to operate. Jarosik on left wing, Clapham centre-mid, Alex Bruce anchorman, its Monty Python not football management, is it any surprise we were booted out of the league?
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I read the Evening Mail last night and they've set it all out in a lot of depth. It makes fascinating reading. Clearly he has the hump with Bruce but he also points out that the whole structure of the club is wrong and unless they invest in proper back-up etc and change the whole atmosphere from one of money-grabbing, then we will never succeed. Some of it is sour grapes because he didn't get a contract and he defends the players to the hilt, which sticks in my throat, but he also makes some very valid points and you hope people take notice ie manager/board.
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So Kenny things we should have played 4-3-3 with a holding midfield player. He also said that there was nothing from the left hand side if Jarosik played there in a 4-4-2 on the left as he said he always wanted to come inside.....well, to me a 4-3-3 makes us even more unbalanced in my view.
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KC has done the club a 'big' favour IMO.

Simply stating 'he is a prat' or 'sour grapes' etc. ios immature and blinkered.

What should he do? Come out and say everything was great and happy and we should stick with Bruce forever because he is a lovely bloke? Or alert us - the fans! - to what has REALLY been going on amongst the players?

Think about it carefully: which would have been more disloyal to US?
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May 12 2006, 07:12 AM
he also makes some very valid points and you hope people take notice ie manager/board.

I hope that fans take note too. Several of us here about been warning about the corrosive effect of the money-grabbing culture on the spirit and soul of the club.
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I honestly can not believe some people are questioning the validity of what Kenny has said - the man has never run to the press before, he is a quiet unassuming guy who happened to have a talent in football.

There is no way that he has made this statement just because he didnt get a new contract. A fair few people have been saying the exact same things as Kenny for the last few months but have been constantly shot down and ignored. I really wish some blues fans would take their head out of the sand and open their eyes to the shambolic mess this club is in.
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I honestly can not believe some people are questioning the validity of what Kenny has said - the man has never run to the press before, he is a quiet unassuming guy who happened to have a talent in football.

There is no way that he has made this statement just because he didnt get a new contract. A fair few people have been saying the exact same things as Kenny for the last few months but have been constantly shot down and ignored. I really wish some blues fans would take their head out of the sand and open their eyes to the shambolic mess this club is in.


It really does make you wonder what it will take for some people to open their eyes to what is happening at the club.

Pretending to yourself that everything is OK won't make things better. The club is a mess, it seems perfectly clear to me, its been a mess for a long time
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so some are now saying that KK is bitter and twisted and is only doing it because he has been realisted, :huh:

well to see why he was spot on look at the season we ahve just had and the one before that.

i can say no team goes through a season in excelent form and you exspect a few dodgy performances, but when you get 99% of games playing absolut rubbish , then theres the truth you see in kenny.

after all we could all see it , when a player comes out and says it, i would exspect

everyone to see it as the truth.

the evidence is in our season not just the words of kenny, thats why we should listen to him.
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i dont get the SOUR GRAPES thing

i thought we were talking to him about a new contract

i think it may have been his decision not to accept

becuase of the state of the club outlined in his interview
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May 12 2006, 09:08 AM
i dont get the SOUR GRAPES thing

i thought we were talking to him about a new contract

i think it may have been his decision not to accept

becuase of the state of the club outlined in his interview

the thing is some supporters see no wrong at the club, if they can explain it away they will.

most of us have seen all this and been vocal about it. and it has been confirmed in KK's words .

some cant except being wrong and i must admit that many of the staunch SB people have now seen the light and they have come out to say so.

some will see this as an attack on there club , it's a loyaly thing.

these last few days i have been gutted beyond belife , why because i want our club to be successfull.

i dont want to be proved right.

i take no plesure in this at all, but i wont duck the truth either.
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May 12 2006, 08:37 AM
KC has done the club a 'big' favour IMO.

Simply stating 'he is a prat' or 'sour grapes' etc. ios immature and blinkered.

What should he do? Come out and say everything was great and happy and we should stick with Bruce forever because he is a lovely bloke? Or alert us - the fans! - to what has REALLY been going on amongst the players?

Think about it carefully: which would have been more disloyal to US?

Blinkered is what the majority of people on here are if they can't see the fact that KC has totally used the paper to exonerate himself of any blame.


''These players are as professional as any I've ever worked with''

£40k a week footballers walking out because they don't get picked...professional? Give me a brake. Mario jogging after a player nonchalantly, like he doesn't give a toss? I coud go on and on about the 'professional' attitude the players had.



One question to all of you...


Would Kenny have come out with it if he'd been offered a new contract?

No is the answer, he's bul***ted you all and you've fell for it.

Why didn't Kenny speak out earlier, why was he so quiet on the pitch and once again would he have spoken out if he'd have been offered a contract?

From legend to has been in 24 hours, seeya Mr C and I hope you never set foot inside St Andrews again, you're just not worthy.

Why couldn't he just go respectfully like Stan?
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JUst forget those who say sour grapes - they have no idea at all about what went on with contract talks, and just look ridiculous.

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What a load of b*****k's.

Their fitness levels were so much better before the "fitness coach" went were'nt they,how does he explain the better form in the second half of the season then 

Typical thick footballer,opens his gob,but has'nt a clue what he's on about.

The truth is nobody at the club has got the b*****k's to take responsibility for their actions,including players,manager,coaches and the board!!



THis is actually extremely funny. Ok BG-BLUE, I am gonna listen to you. Because If i had a choice between you and KK, then of course, with your well constructed arguments against a former International captain, you have the ypper hand ----NOT
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