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Kenny Cunningham Comments; - merged threads
Topic Started: May 11 2006, 06:33 AM (4,029 Views)
chilternblue
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I'm Mr 200 :D
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Hooby Groovy
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Blinkered is what the majority of people on here are if they can't see the fact that KC has totally used the paper to exonerate himself of any blame.

''These players are as professional as any I've ever worked with''

£40k a week footballers walking out because they don't get picked...professional? Give me a brake. Mario jogging after a player nonchalantly, like he doesn't give a toss? I coud go on and on about the 'professional' attitude the players had.

One question to all of you...

Would Kenny have come out with it if he'd been offered a new contract?

No is the answer, he's bul***ted you all and you've fell for it.

Why didn't Kenny speak out earlier, why was he so quiet on the pitch and once again would he have spoken out if he'd have been offered a contract?


The only part where Cunningham is wrong is to not blame the players, they were culpible as well as everyone else.

Apart from that I think he was spot-on with his assesment

I don't think you need to be a brain surgeon to look at fitness, tactics, coaching etc to work out that there were real problems last season

Don't use the fact that he hasn't had a go at the players somehow excuse Bruce or the board - the analysis is still pertinent
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Here here Hooby **thumbup
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Nobody wants to answer the question asking if he would have opened his mouth if he'd been offered a new contract then?
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i would say no he would'nt but as he said in his interview he did speek to SB about things conserning himself and the rest of the team.

with any team bassis you have to at least look at being proffetional.

it could cause even more trouble to say it while playing for the club and would serve no purpose but to undermine the spirit of the team.
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May 12 2006, 09:38 AM
Nobody wants to answer the question asking if he would have opened his mouth if he'd been offered a new contract then?

No he wouldn't. He would have kept doing his talking behind the scenes, like he clearly states in the interview.

Wake up - the players have been expressing their concerns behind the scenes, and those concerns have been ignored. KC spoke to Sullivan in the wake of the 7-0 thrashing by Liverpool - I can't believe he wouldn't have made those points again. Again, those concerns appear to have been ignored after what the board said at the end of the season, that they were sticking with Bruce.

Remember the gagging order Bruce put on the players? At no stage has he rescinded that - at first to create a seige mentality, but perhaps also to prevent them from alluding to the problems and frustrations that have clearly been rising behind the scenes.

Get this: our marginal up-turn in fortunes - and it was marginal - occured after the Liverpool game when Sullivan blasted the players in the press. Those performances were directly inspired by Sullivan's comments - nothing Bruce has said or done for the past six months has had any effect from what I can see.

All Cunningham has done is follow Bruce and the board is making a particular point of view heard. We've heard both manager and board blame injuries and players for the problems at the club. Now the players - through their leader - have made their point of view known.
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May 12 2006, 09:38 AM
Nobody wants to answer the question asking if he would have opened his mouth if he'd been offered a new contract then?

Who cares, he wasnt given a contract, he told the truth, he only said what people on here have been saying for months, now its come from somebody on the inside.

What difference does it make? If you are implying that he is making things up because he want offered a contact then tell me, if you have watched us play for the last 18 months or so, which parts of his comments do not ring true?
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The worrying thing is, it is KC that has come out with this. If it was someone like Melchiot or Savage after they left you would say its b*llocks but the fact it is from him you know it is the truth!
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if he had been offered a new deal

do u think he would have accepted it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree with hooby...

i think the players have to take a share of the blame

HOWEVER we must remeember these are not normal people

they need there egoes massaging they need their bottoms wiping etc

the concept of going to work and doing it to the best of your ability irrespective of whether you like the way the people you are working for .....

IS TOTALLY ALIEN TO THESE PEOPLE

if they dont think that things are right they wont perform

WRONG ? YES

BUT A FACT !!
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May 12 2006, 10:46 AM
The worrying thing is, it is KC that has come out with this. If it was someone like Melchiot or Savage after they left you would say its b*llocks but the fact it is from him you know it is the truth!

Know him well did you?
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If it was someone like Savage, i'd say sour grapes.

But;

If i didn't already think that the backroom staff setup was a shambles.
If I didn't already think that Bruce was stubborn and inept.
If I didn't already think Bruce had lost the dressing room.
If i didn't already think the players were unfit.
If I didn't already think that we were clueless, tactically niave.
If I didn't already think we lacked preparation.

I'd be taking Kenny's comments with a pinch of salt.

As it stands I already thought those things. Kenny just confirmed it for me.
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how about d js comments the other day

about the WE WILL BE OK attitude at the club ?


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http://z4.invisionfree.com/BLUES_FORUM/ind...post&p=11298399

We seem to have two threads that need merging.
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why did he want a new cotract with such a loathsome club according to him
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May 12 2006, 09:43 AM
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May 12 2006, 09:38 AM
Nobody wants to answer the question asking if he would have opened his mouth if he'd been offered a new contract then?

No he wouldn't. He would have kept doing his talking behind the scenes, like he clearly states in the interview.

Wake up - the players have been expressing their concerns behind the scenes, and those concerns have been ignored. KC spoke to Sullivan in the wake of the 7-0 thrashing by Liverpool - I can't believe he wouldn't have made those points again. Again, those concerns appear to have been ignored after what the board said at the end of the season, that they were sticking with Bruce.

Remember the gagging order Bruce put on the players? At no stage has he rescinded that - at first to create a seige mentality, but perhaps also to prevent them from alluding to the problems and frustrations that have clearly been rising behind the scenes.

Get this: our marginal up-turn in fortunes - and it was marginal - occured after the Liverpool game when Sullivan blasted the players in the press. Those performances were directly inspired by Sullivan's comments - nothing Bruce has said or done for the past six months has had any effect from what I can see.

All Cunningham has done is follow Bruce and the board is making a particular point of view heard. We've heard both manager and board blame injuries and players for the problems at the club. Now the players - through their leader - have made their point of view known.

Vaesen has alluded to problems. Johnson said in the Mail that too many had an 'we'll be ok' attitude. That gagging order was rescinded. It was put in place because everyone had had enough of Melchiot spouting off and to create a siege mentality. From what I can gather the players didn't give a toss about the gagging order anyway it just antagonised the journos and backfired on Bruce. Lots of players have been quoted at length since Newcastle when we went down I wouldn't say Bruce is trying to stop them spilling the beans. KC hits the nail on the head with a lot of his words, about Bruce and the board. I'm glad he said what he has. Hopefully it will force them all to take a long hard look at themselves and improve. Somehow, I doubt it.
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If he wanted a new contract I think he would have got one. I expect he told Bruce that he didn't want to play on and told them what he thought about the club and then the media referred to it as "Blues axe Kenny"
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No, Blues told Kenny he was not needed any more. from the horses mouth. Accepting he could have been lying, I'm not sure what would motivate him to not tell the truth on that point.
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SB did want him to stay, but he was having second thoughts as of last season there was talk of him retiring.

i dont think he's ever said anything any different ,
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May 12 2006, 10:18 AM
No, Blues told Kenny he was not needed any more. from the horses mouth. Accepting he could have been lying, I'm not sure what would motivate him to not tell the truth on that point.

You where there when Bruce told Kenny he didn't want him?
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as of monday

i think the quotes from the club were

they were talking to him


if they werent thinking about a new offer why wanst he simply released

this suggests to me that they were discussing or thinking of offering a new deal

of course we dont know for sure

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I just think that as 8 players were released, and then Bruce said that the only person he wants to talk to about playing on next year is Kenny, this indicates that he was interested in him playing on, but IMO Kenny told Bruce his thoughts about what went wrong with this season (pointing the blame at the manager and the board etc) and therefore they agreed it would be best to part company.
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May 12 2006, 10:18 AM
No, Blues told Kenny he was not needed any more. from the horses mouth. Accepting he could have been lying, I'm not sure what would motivate him to not tell the truth on that point.

Why would Bruce release all the out of contract players other than Kenny if all he was going to do was "tell him he was not needed anymore". I believe he was offered a 1 year extension but said no, as many thought he would.

He was not sacked - he turned down the offer!
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May 12 2006, 11:13 AM
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May 12 2006, 10:18 AM
No, Blues told Kenny he was not needed any more. from the horses mouth. Accepting he could have been lying, I'm not sure what would motivate him to not tell the truth on that point.

Why would Bruce release all the out of contract players other than Kenny if all he was going to do was "tell him he was not needed anymore". I believe he was offered a 1 year extension but said no, as many thought he would.

He was not sacked - he turned down the offer!

that would make sense

who knows

IMO he talked alot of sense

i choose to believe a lot of it because it would explain a lot of things that happened last year

other people choose not to believe it because they still want bruce as manager

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It was Tuesday when the Mails Colin Tatum revealed that Kenny was leaving, the club either through the website or the press never said as such nor did they take an early opportunity to thank Kenny for his sterling service to the club and wish him well in the future. This has been done for lesser players that have left the club. Did this upset Kenny and his anger and disappointment cause him to go public ? Or was it that the parting was so acrimonious that the club didn't want to say thank you and all the best publicly. Kenny is not one of thos players who could have been tagged with not trying over the past few weeks, it is a sorry affair that shouldn't have happened and lessons should be learned for the future by the club and it's public relations experts.
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BluenoseRich
May 12 2006, 12:00 PM
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May 12 2006, 10:18 AM
No, Blues told Kenny he was not needed any more. from the horses mouth. Accepting he could have been lying, I'm not sure what would motivate him to not tell the truth on that point.

You where there when Bruce told Kenny he didn't want him?

No, when I said to Kenny 'are you leaveing now, because you had said that was what you were going to do', he said, 'in fact it was the club who said they didn't need me now'. Or word to that effect.
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