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Arjen Robben; Saint or Sinner ?
Topic Started: Jun 29 2014, 06:44 PM (210 Views)
PartisanBCFC
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Dramatic going to the ground from Robben again but was it a penalty ?

Clearly there was contact by the Mexican defender but Robben was looking for a leg to collide with

This has been an issue in the game for several years now, players going to ground too easily and questionable tangling of legs

In fairness to Robben though he was clearly bought down in the box in the 1st half and no call was given

Overall I think the Dutch deserved to go through , they will fancy their chances to go all the way now

Very enjoyable game and hard luck to Mexico ......but I do think the PK was the right call given the attempted tackle by the Mexican , just wished players like Robben would not do the theatricals when they go down


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Once a cheat always a chest, he has no class or style do you ever see messi diving and throwing himself as if the stadium sniper took him out. Spoilt the game for me, hard luck Mexico you deserve better..
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Jun 29 2014, 06:59 PM
Once a cheat always a chest, he has no class or style do you ever see messi diving and throwing himself as if the stadium sniper took him out. Spoilt the game for me, hard luck Mexico you deserve better..
Good point

Messi is the best player in the world at the moment .....he's proving that right now

We could see a Holland v Argentina semi final if the Argies win Tuesday and they both progress through the QF's

That would be interesting

KRO

Edited by PartisanBCFC, Jun 29 2014, 07:18 PM.
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I hate seeing players go down so easily. It really goes against the spirit of competition, going for a dubious foul as your first thought instead of putting "how can I score now" as your first thought. Players shouldnt be thinking "How can I get a PK" as their first line of thought/attack.
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Robben knew that if he played the ball right that he'd get contact from Marquez; it's up to Marquez to be smart enough in that moment not to make the risky challenge, especially when there are other defenders around in better positions to make an attempt for the ball… There's contact, Robben makes the most of it, and it's a penalty.

I wish there were a concerted effort to stamp out the theatrics (flapping about, rolling around in staged agony, diving, etc.), but that's another conversation… It was a penalty and it should've been the second for the Dutch on the day.

I don't feel sorry for Mexico… Mexico were the better side up to their goal, and then they thought they could park the bus and absorb one of the better attacking sides in the world for the ensuing 40 minutes (and nearly did), but after that Mexican goal, there was only one team that was going to score, and that was Netherlands. After the Sneijder goal, I knew it was only a matter of time before they they got the second.

I've seen Messi dive and roll about in agony following minimal contact in order to get someone sent off...





…and now you have seen it too.
Edited by Kyle-KRO, Jun 30 2014, 01:18 AM.
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Effective for his team but goes down much to easy for me,You would want him IN your team though.
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I posted some months ago and I now restate, the game is overpopulated with CHEATS, CHARLATANS, THESPIANS and THUGS.

It is a sad fact that the true ball players and entertainers are few and far between.
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there was contact, he went down, penalty

I like what gary neville says about these things which is the same as what kyle said, a defender knows if they make a challenge in the box they have to be 100% sure they will get the ball and NOT get the man. The old ball first, man second rule no longer applies.

The defenders should have been smarter than to give robben the opportunity to go down - as kyle said there were other defenders covering, it wasnt a challenge which HAD to be made.

A lot of younger defenders - luke shaw as an example, are very wise to this, he very rarely makes a challenge in the box but when he does he wins the ball and stays clear of the man. Its a modern way of defending and some would say boring, but the reality is its now VERY hard to make a challenge in the box with how fast attackers are and how fast their feet move with the fancy footwork etc.

There is also the argument that says an attacker who 'entices' a challenge to win a pen is smart. Is it nice sportsmanship? No. Is it cheating? No - DIVING is cheating, but if there is contact then the player is entitled to go down
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The whole tone of this thread highlights a massive problem in the game - and one that is perpetuated by fans, commentators and pundits alike.

It should be remembered that football is a contact sport.

Contact is allowed.

Not every instance of contact is a foul, let alone a penalty.

Anyone who subscribes to this modern idea of Robben's - "he felt contact so he went down" being the primary comment about him - is subscribing to the philosophy that Blatter wants. Football to become a non-contact sport.

How many fans want that ?
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Jun 30 2014, 07:15 PM
The whole tone of this thread highlights a massive problem in the game - and one that is perpetuated by fans, commentators and pundits alike.

It should be remembered that football is a contact sport.

Contact is allowed.

Not every instance of contact is a foul, let alone a penalty.

Anyone who subscribes to this modern idea of Robben's - "he felt contact so he went down" being the primary comment about him - is subscribing to the philosophy that Blatter wants. Football to become a non-contact sport.

How many fans want that ?
it is pretty much a non-contact sport now.

and more so that that, even if no contact is made, but the tackle is deemed dangerous then a foul and be given and/or a card

football nowadays is a game for jessies who dont want to mess up their hair cut
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It was a foul. The dive was theatrical, but was no worse than AJ's when he was brought down in the LC final against Liverpool, and we all thought that was a pen.

Don't know what all the fuss is about.
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Jul 4 2014, 10:54 PM
It was a foul. The dive was theatrical, but was no worse than AJ's when he was brought down in the LC final against Liverpool, and we all thought that was a pen.

Don't know what all the fuss is about.
I agree, he was fouled and as a result of the foul had no where to go.

He was taken out a few times in that game and the worst challenge he was one the receiving end where he was fouled twice in quick succession the referee gave nothing (probably because he was 30 yards+ from play).

That's what the Mexicans deserved for sitting back on a 1-0 lead with half an hour to go.
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Jun 30 2014, 08:15 PM
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Jun 30 2014, 07:15 PM
The whole tone of this thread highlights a massive problem in the game - and one that is perpetuated by fans, commentators and pundits alike.

It should be remembered that football is a contact sport.

Contact is allowed.

Not every instance of contact is a foul, let alone a penalty.

Anyone who subscribes to this modern idea of Robben's - "he felt contact so he went down" being the primary comment about him - is subscribing to the philosophy that Blatter wants. Football to become a non-contact sport.

How many fans want that ?
it is pretty much a non-contact sport now.

and more so that that, even if no contact is made, but the tackle is deemed dangerous then a foul and be given and/or a card

football nowadays is a game for jessies who dont want to mess up their hair cut
A non contact sport?

Ask the defender who felt the strength of Lukaku if its a non contact sport!
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Jun 30 2014, 07:15 PM
The whole tone of this thread highlights a massive problem in the game - and one that is perpetuated by fans, commentators and pundits alike.

It should be remembered that football is a contact sport.

Contact is allowed.

Not every instance of contact is a foul, let alone a penalty.

Anyone who subscribes to this modern idea of Robben's - "he felt contact so he went down" being the primary comment about him - is subscribing to the philosophy that Blatter wants. Football to become a non-contact sport.

How many fans want that ?
You're right contact is allowed.

But you don't seem to understand what a foul is.
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Jul 5 2014, 09:51 AM
pooley
Jun 30 2014, 08:15 PM
abblue
Jun 30 2014, 07:15 PM
The whole tone of this thread highlights a massive problem in the game - and one that is perpetuated by fans, commentators and pundits alike.

It should be remembered that football is a contact sport.

Contact is allowed.

Not every instance of contact is a foul, let alone a penalty.

Anyone who subscribes to this modern idea of Robben's - "he felt contact so he went down" being the primary comment about him - is subscribing to the philosophy that Blatter wants. Football to become a non-contact sport.

How many fans want that ?
it is pretty much a non-contact sport now.

and more so that that, even if no contact is made, but the tackle is deemed dangerous then a foul and be given and/or a card

football nowadays is a game for jessies who dont want to mess up their hair cut
A non contact sport?

Ask the defender who felt the strength of Lukaku if its a non contact sport!
There will always be exceptions but nowadays more often than not a player is touched and he goes down getting a foul

Like with goalkeepers - again exceptions to the rule accepted - but 90% of the time if an attacker jumps with a goalkeeper who doesn't get the ball a foul is given

Football is a sport for pansies
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