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Try not to get too depressed...; time to step up or can nothing be done ?
Topic Started: Jul 11 2014, 09:03 AM (1,079 Views)
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Jul 11 2014, 11:46 AM
Having said that I could not agree in anyway with BNK comments and can not make any sense of them at all.
If we had gone down then BIHL would have had to lower their asking price as we would have been a League 1 football club.

A lower price might have attracted new buyers.

As it is we are in the championship still, and BIHL are still asking ridiculous prices for the sale of the club. Hence they are going nowhere as they seem happy to sit back and be quite content with how things are.

I'm not saying BIHL would have thrown in the towel and finally moved on from us, but there would have been more chance of us being properly sold.

With the bigger crowds at Stans in the Championship with some big away followings BIHL seem happy to jog on.

League 1 with lower crowds and less away fans at Stans and who knows they might have said enough is enough.

I aint getting any younger and just wish they would fekk off asap.


kro
Edited by bluenosekev, Jul 11 2014, 03:25 PM.
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What all this Engleberk you zxcvanker...?[/b] :ph43r:
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Eh I thought you two were buddies and 'true bluenoses' :D
True bluenose, Mr Englemediaman :LMAO:
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Jul 11 2014, 03:23 PM
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Jul 11 2014, 11:46 AM
Having said that I could not agree in anyway with BNK comments and can not make any sense of them at all.
If we had gone down then BIHL would have had to lower their asking price as we would have been a League 1 football club.

A lower price might have attracted new buyers.

As it is we are in the championship still, and BIHL are still asking ridiculous prices for the sale of the club. Hence they are going nowhere as they seem happy to sit back and be quite content with how things are.

I'm not saying BIHL would have thrown in the towel and finally moved on from us, but there would have been more chance of us being properly sold.

With the bigger crowds at Stans in the Championship with some big away followings BIHL seem happy to jog on.

League 1 with lower crowds and less away fans at Stans and who knows they might have said enough is enough.

I aint getting any younger and just wish they would fekk off asap.


kro
There are two things you won`t accept, (but that's your choice) that stops me agreeing with you. I believe that BIHL want to sell (you don`t). Getting buyers is not the issue (you and I know a deal could be announced tomorrow) if as we are told HKSE were to allow a part sale to happen. Yes there may well be other reasons stopping the deal, but I would guess at hkse being the biggest issue. I really don't see going down as helpful in anyway whatsoever and would imo hinder any sale in many many ways not help one. I also doubt it would even encourage them to lower there ridicules expectations price wise, and genuinely think it would be a disaster. We certainly would not have got some of the nine players we have now. Defiantly not Donaldson and at least another four of them. Kev, the way you think and the way they think are worlds apart, I am not saying your thinking is wrong its not we all want them to **** orf but relegation is not the way imo.
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What all this Engleberk you zxcvanker...?[/b] :ph43r:
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Eh I thought you two were buddies and 'true bluenoses' :D
I think zxcv has become an away nose.
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Jul 11 2014, 03:47 PM
Kev, the way you think and the way they think are worlds apart, I am not saying your thinking is wrong its not we all want them to **** orf but relegation is not the way imo.
But this time next season we will be in League 1 anyway. This season will be a massive anti climax after that late equaliser up at Bolton. I'd have rather we were in league 1 now where something re BIHL and a sale might have been more iminent. This season we will continue where we left off last season with more poor football, more home defeats and BIHL doing fekk all again imo.

Am dreading this upcoming new season we are doomed imo :crying:
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What all this Engleberk you zxcvanker...?[/b] :ph43r:
:LMAO:

Eh I thought you two were buddies and 'true bluenoses' :D
I think zxcv has become an away nose.
I love away games always have, but all this tripe about starving these clowns out dose not wash with me, it wont make one jot of difference if we were to half the 8000 s/t holder tomorrow. Get your bleeding asses down there and forget what is doing all your heads in (the sale) and if it happens it will be when they and hkse get there act together not because we stay away, believe me if I thought it would work or even help I would be with you all the way, but i 100 per cent don`t think it will make a jot of difference. If it is a matter of principle i totally respect that, but please do not preach to others as that is not a point of principle.
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League 1 and lowering the price would not work either. HKSE has a strangle hold over BIHL. BIHL want to sell but it has to be on HKSE terms. Those terms do not suit BIHL lets do some of this :banghead: .I can see in 5 years time CY getting released and taking control of BCFC again. Sorry that is a nightmare senario. We need a buyer to be aggressive in the stock market and purchase huge lumps BIHL shares, then do a hostile takeover but that would need a shed load of dosh to do.

With that said, can't wait for the season to start, I will be over from Canada in September/October so will be taking in a few games home and away. I am here for the BCFC, the manager, backroom staff, the players and the football, not the politics.

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Jul 11 2014, 04:02 PM
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Kev, the way you think and the way they think are worlds apart, I am not saying your thinking is wrong its not we all want them to **** orf but relegation is not the way imo.
But this time next season we will be in League 1 anyway. This season will be a massive anti climax after that late equaliser up at Bolton. I'd have rather we were in league 1 now where something re BIHL and a sale might have been more iminent. This season we will continue where we left off last season with more poor football, more home defeats and BIHL doing fekk all again imo.

Am dreading this upcoming new season were fekking doomed :crying:
Blimey BNK. Your house must be a a load of laughs - not.
Just give the team a chance before you write them off. Who knows, YOU may be right or WE may be right. Only time will tell.
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Kev, the way you think and the way they think are worlds apart, I am not saying your thinking is wrong its not we all want them to **** orf but relegation is not the way imo.
But this time next season we will be in League 1 anyway. This season will be a massive anti climax after that late equaliser up at Bolton. I'd have rather we were in league 1 now where something re BIHL and a sale might have been more iminent. This season we will continue where we left off last season with more poor football, more home defeats and BIHL doing fekk all again imo.

Am dreading this upcoming new season were fekking doomed.
Now i am beginning to understand you a bit more. I thought all your posts were based on a negative attitude,. Your last line tells a different story. You need to stop worrying about what will happen, we won`t go down, no anti climax, but just a realistic chance that a start on the ladder that takes us a bit further to where we have to be who ever the owners are. We have players now that are our own that alone is a massive step or two on that ladder, who on earth can we get in that are better with no money to offer, teams don`t give there best players to another club because there owner has been thrown in clink. Its no one`s fault at the club and i know you will be at stans giving it your all when we are doing well(or even if were not) Remember we only have to improve a wee bit on last season to fight another day and that's all we can expect till this shower has left our shores and we get some funding for better players. We ain`t going down Kev no fekking way we are blue`s Fans we fight to the Fekking death mate no matter what. Keep Right On. I am
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Jul 11 2014, 04:02 PM
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Kev, the way you think and the way they think are worlds apart, I am not saying your thinking is wrong its not we all want them to **** orf but relegation is not the way imo.
But this time next season we will be in League 1 anyway. This season will be a massive anti climax after that late equaliser up at Bolton. I'd have rather we were in league 1 now where something re BIHL and a sale might have been more iminent. This season we will continue where we left off last season with more poor football, more home defeats and BIHL doing fekk all again imo.

Am dreading this upcoming new season we are doomed imo :crying:
Kev, I don't think it would have made any difference.

Championship, League 1, or League 2 - BIHL will still be here running the show until they say otherwise.

They've got their season ticket money now, last parachute payment, sponsorship money; so life is good.

Even Carson has managed to keep his house.

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Of course, another season of struggle will see the knives come out again - however, all BIHL have to do is pick up the phone to one of the interested parties, go through the motions of a sale, and wait for them to go public.

The fans optimism will be renewed, income will increase, and then BIHL disappear into thin air, swap the directors around, ignore the phone, and disappear.
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Jul 11 2014, 05:03 PM
Of course, another season of struggle will see the knives come out again - however, all BIHL have to do is pick up the phone to one of the interested parties, go through the motions of a sale, and wait for them to go public.

The fans optimism will be renewed, income will increase, and then BIHL disappear into thin air, swap the directors around, ignore the phone, and disappear.
It's been well documented that BIH do want to sell but they're facing problems with the HKSE. I see no reason not to believe that. They have no reason to want to stay any longer unless they can find a way of investing in us; from here on they're just reducing the value of the club while they're not and while we deteriorate. They will only end up losing out in long run, especially if we drop a division or two in the mean time. With no decent assets left and parachute payments pretty much finished I don't see any benefit in them staying if they're the ones having to actually put money into BCFC (which they currently are for day-to-day runnings). Season ticket money is just keeping us functioning. It's been noted by Mike Wiseman, that that money isn't leaving BCFC for HK. If an average season ticket costs about £300 for the 8,000 that the club say will be regular season ticket holders die-hards, that's only £2.2m in and prices would go down if we dropped a division or two. If wages are an average of 3k per week then they're already down for the year by a few million so I don't see season ticket money exactly being a deciding factor anyway. There's obviously sponsorship and other income avenues but a few million isn't easy to make up to break even while we're not in the Prem in them avenues, let alone get enough profit to send to HK worthwhile for them not to sell and risk their own investment even further.
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Of course, another season of struggle will see the knives come out again - however, all BIHL have to do is pick up the phone to one of the interested parties, go through the motions of a sale, and wait for them to go public.

The fans optimism will be renewed, income will increase, and then BIHL disappear into thin air, swap the directors around, ignore the phone, and disappear.
It's been well documented that BIH do want to sell but they're facing problems with the HKSE. I see no reason not to believe that. They have no reason to want to stay any longer unless they can find a way of investing in us; from here on they're just reducing the value of the club while they're not and while we deteriorate. They will only end up losing out in long run, especially if we drop a division or two in the mean time. With no decent assets left and parachute payments pretty much finished I don't see any benefit in them staying if they're the ones having to actually put money into BCFC (which they currently are for day-to-day runnings). Season ticket money is just keeping us functioning. It's been noted by Mike Wiseman, that that money isn't leaving BCFC for HK. If an average season ticket costs about £300 for the 8,000 that the club say will be regular season ticket holders die-hards, that's only £2.2m in and prices would go down if we dropped a division or two. If wages are an average of 3k per week then they're already down for the year by a few million so I don't see season ticket money exactly being a deciding factor anyway. There's obviously sponsorship and other income avenues but a few million isn't easy to make up to break even while we're not in the Prem in them avenues, let alone get enough profit to send to HK worthwhile for them not to sell and risk their own investment even further.
good post Jake, The long term prospects for Bihl have to be diminishing all the time, there`s no doubt they want out, I really think we should just let it run its course and get on with supporting these new lads, and except and learn to enjoy who we are. Things won`t change overnight this is a long road back to where we were 3 years ago but we have to start now and our support could make the difference. Can you imagine if we raised the roof at stans like we did at Bolton, well we have to if we want our club to survive this horrible era its our job sod who owns us don`t let them make us self destruct, kro.
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Of course, another season of struggle will see the knives come out again - however, all BIHL have to do is pick up the phone to one of the interested parties, go through the motions of a sale, and wait for them to go public.

The fans optimism will be renewed, income will increase, and then BIHL disappear into thin air, swap the directors around, ignore the phone, and disappear.
It's been well documented that BIH do want to sell but they're facing problems with the HKSE. I see no reason not to believe that. They have no reason to want to stay any longer unless they can find a way of investing in us; from here on they're just reducing the value of the club while they're not and while we deteriorate. They will only end up losing out in long run, especially if we drop a division or two in the mean time. With no decent assets left and parachute payments pretty much finished I don't see any benefit in them staying if they're the ones having to actually put money into BCFC (which they currently are for day-to-day runnings). Season ticket money is just keeping us functioning. It's been noted by Mike Wiseman, that that money isn't leaving BCFC for HK. If an average season ticket costs about £300 for the 8,000 that the club say will be regular season ticket holders die-hards, that's only £2.2m in and prices would go down if we dropped a division or two. If wages are an average of 3k per week then they're already down for the year by a few million so I don't see season ticket money exactly being a deciding factor anyway. There's obviously sponsorship and other income avenues but a few million isn't easy to make up to break even while we're not in the Prem in them avenues, let alone get enough profit to send to HK worthwhile for them not to sell and risk their own investment even further.
good post Jake, The long term prospects for Bihl have to be diminishing all the time, there`s no doubt they want out, I really think we should just let it run its course and get on with supporting these new lads, and except and learn to enjoy who we are. Things won`t change overnight this is a long road back to where we were 3 years ago but we have to start now and our support could make the difference. Can you imagine if we raised the roof at stans like we did at Bolton, well we have to if we want our club to survive this horrible era its our job sod who owns us don`t let them make us self destruct, kro.
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I think zxcv has become an away nose.
I love away games always have, but all this tripe about starving these clowns out dose not wash with me, it wont make one jot of difference if we were to half the 8000 s/t holder tomorrow. Get your bleeding asses down there and forget what is doing all your heads in (the sale) and if it happens it will be when they and hkse get there act together not because we stay away, believe me if I thought it would work or even help I would be with you all the way, but i 100 per cent don`t think it will make a jot of difference. If it is a matter of principle i totally respect that, but please do not preach to others as that is not a point of principle.
:applause: Well said, ...............again **thumbup
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I love away games always have, but all this tripe about starving these clowns out dose not wash with me, it wont make one jot of difference if we were to half the 8000 s/t holder tomorrow. Get your bleeding asses down there and forget what is doing all your heads in (the sale) and if it happens it will be when they and hkse get there act together not because we stay away, believe me if I thought it would work or even help I would be with you all the way, but i 100 per cent don`t think it will make a jot of difference. If it is a matter of principle i totally respect that, but please do not preach to others as that is not a point of principle.
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If we would have gone down at Bolton then BIHL would have lowered the asking price imo to something more reasonable.

This time next year we could well be in League 1 and have wasted a whole season.

We will always come back up eventually, sometimes you got to take a step backwards before you can take two forward.


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it would not of made any difference to the sale, the reason for selling in instalments was to keep them listed, if we went down they would still need that listing, the best thing now is not administration but for the hkse too find accounting issues and force the sale, then de list them anyway.
As for got our st money, it does not cover players salaries, let alone all other staff members, running costs etc.
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Just out of interest a few years back I was told that a night game for example they needed a few thousand walk ups to just break even after the cost of Stewarding/policing turnstiles staffing but the biggest cost was Floodlighting the game that ran into thousands and the joke was we had to lose the game to save on win bonuses. lol the cost are unbelievable. No with just 8000 s/t rest assured they will be having to cough up some.
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Just out of interest a few years back I was told that a night game for example they needed a few thousand walk ups to just break even after the cost of Stewarding/policing turnstiles staffing but the biggest cost was Floodlighting the game that ran into thousands and the joke was we had to lose the game to save on win bonuses. lol the cost are unbelievable. No with just 8000 s/t rest assured they will be having to cough up some.
Costs between 2 and £300 per game to run floodlights.
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Well it looks like the only way forward is for BIHL to collapse. How that could happen I dont know, I assume any investigation by the HKSE will take a life time and all the time BIHL shares are being traded keeping them going on the stock exchange.

A question I have, is there a threshold of trading activity that the Stock Exchange has to qualify membership of the exchange. The reason I ask is that BIHL trading on a day to day basis is very minimalistic almost insignificant.
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I think zxcv has become an away nose.
I love away games always have, but all this tripe about starving these clowns out dose not wash with me, it wont make one jot of difference if we were to half the 8000 s/t holder tomorrow. Get your bleeding asses down there and forget what is doing all your heads in (the sale) and if it happens it will be when they and hkse get there act together not because we stay away, believe me if I thought it would work or even help I would be with you all the way, but i 100 per cent don`t think it will make a jot of difference. If it is a matter of principle i totally respect that, but please do not preach to others as that is not a point of principle.
exactly why zxcv is a "Bluenose" and not an 'awaynose' lowds! :applause:
Edited by Engleman, Jul 12 2014, 09:38 AM.
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I love away games always have, but all this tripe about starving these clowns out dose not wash with me, it wont make one jot of difference if we were to half the 8000 s/t holder tomorrow. Get your bleeding asses down there and forget what is doing all your heads in (the sale) and if it happens it will be when they and hkse get there act together not because we stay away, believe me if I thought it would work or even help I would be with you all the way, but i 100 per cent don`t think it will make a jot of difference. If it is a matter of principle i totally respect that, but please do not preach to others as that is not a point of principle.
exactly why zxcv is a "Bluenose" and not an 'awaynose' lowds! :applause:
I don't know what category of nose I am. I do some home games and some away games. I usually go for the social. Perhaps I'm a drinknose, although that garcon chappie would call me a consultthesocialdiarynose.

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It's not really about attendance lowds except for those who are calling for and promoting away attendance only with a home attendance and/or ST boycott at the expense of BCFC receipts, sack the manager etc. So I have use the former i.e. 'awaynose' to class all such unsupportive posts because none of them are in the spirit of what it means to be the "Brummies are Bluenoses" promoted by two of our own squad players at the club!

BTW! respect for the 'drinknose' :lager: assertion! **thumbup
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