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Flight Chaos; nightmare scenario
Topic Started: Aug 10 2006, 08:38 AM (645 Views)
BARNETTSrun
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Willie
Aug 10 2006, 10:04 AM
TJDIXI
Aug 10 2006, 10:56 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 09:52 AM
and don't forget they deal with a lot of threats that we never hear about.

but thats my point we don't actualy know that they do deal with any threats that we don't hear about/see. We don't actualy know the real severity of this 'apparent' threats, yet we all believe that they happen and that we need to be wary because of them. To be honest i'm happy to be proven wrong because it would go some way towards my trust being reinstalled in the system that we live in/under.

What would you have them do have a weekly ad in the national press, giving out the details. I am sure the people who attempt to bomb planes etc would be really pleased if they did...... sorry that was uncalled for but you get my meaning, they work on a need to know basis, if we need to know we will be told. otherwise it would be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" and no one would take any threat seriously.

:applause:

WELL SAID WILLIE
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Willie
Aug 10 2006, 10:11 AM
So perhaps we should always ask for a second opinon. when these incidents occur

It's all about looking into something or taking the opposite view on a subject as much or as little as you like. Personly i like to at east try and look at both sides before making an idiot of myself. When i don't look at both sides i tend to end up making myself feel a little foolish for not doing so. You can take on board as many opinions as you wish but the important part is that you listen to something once in awhile that you don't believe, if only to balence and support what you do believe in.

if that makes sense?
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i'm glad there taking such messures , i wish they would let our security foces do more.

problem is that untill they ditch these humon rights for suspects and criminals alike we (law abiding amongst us ) will always be in danger.

IMO you should be treated as gulty untill you prove otherwise, if you have done nothing then it will come out that your innocent as we have seen latly .

you cant go softly with these people.
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Aug 10 2006, 10:14 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 10:04 AM
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Aug 10 2006, 10:56 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 09:52 AM
and don't forget they deal with a lot of threats that we never hear about.

but thats my point we don't actualy know that they do deal with any threats that we don't hear about/see. We don't actualy know the real severity of this 'apparent' threats, yet we all believe that they happen and that we need to be wary because of them. To be honest i'm happy to be proven wrong because it would go some way towards my trust being reinstalled in the system that we live in/under.

What would you have them do have a weekly ad in the national press, giving out the details. I am sure the people who attempt to bomb planes etc would be really pleased if they did...... sorry that was uncalled for but you get my meaning, they work on a need to know basis, if we need to know we will be told. otherwise it would be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" and no one would take any threat seriously.

what your not getting is that i'm distrusting of there actualy being a threat. If there are threats out there then why shouldn't we know about them? is it a governments position to parent us through our lives? should we not be in possesion of the full facts and be able to know where the threat really exists? Is all the information really that they hold really that sensitive? What consituits a serious threat when someone can be arrested in ther 60's for walking on a cycle path and held under the anti terrorism act?

"familiarity breeds contempt" is a pretty poor argument for not presenting the whole facts and the truth. It would be a brave minister that would stand up and preach that line without comment.

My point is that we are all equals and therefore why should we be treated like adolescents and be protected from the truth. My theory is that theres not half as much of a threat as they allow us to believe and that we really are being ruled by the powere of fear.

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Aug 10 2006, 11:11 AM
Great debating there lads and lasses. That's got my grey matter working this morning and i'm hoping it's helped me complete the Guardian Crossword in record time also.

nice to debate without it turning into slanging matches, too.... **thumbup
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Aug 10 2006, 10:20 AM


IMO you should be treated as gulty untill you prove otherwise, if you have done nothing then it will come out that your innocent as we have seen latly .

thats how they treat all away fans at football grounds, and it dont work there!
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Aug 10 2006, 10:23 AM
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Willie
Aug 10 2006, 10:04 AM
TJDIXI
Aug 10 2006, 10:56 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 09:52 AM
and don't forget they deal with a lot of threats that we never hear about.

but thats my point we don't actualy know that they do deal with any threats that we don't hear about/see. We don't actualy know the real severity of this 'apparent' threats, yet we all believe that they happen and that we need to be wary because of them. To be honest i'm happy to be proven wrong because it would go some way towards my trust being reinstalled in the system that we live in/under.

What would you have them do have a weekly ad in the national press, giving out the details. I am sure the people who attempt to bomb planes etc would be really pleased if they did...... sorry that was uncalled for but you get my meaning, they work on a need to know basis, if we need to know we will be told. otherwise it would be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" and no one would take any threat seriously.

what your not getting is that i'm distrusting of there actualy being a threat. If there are threats out there then why shouldn't we know about them? is it a governments position to parent us through our lives? should we not be in possesion of the full facts and be able to know where the threat really exists? Is all the information really that they hold really that sensitive? What consituits a serious threat when someone can be arrested in ther 60's for walking on a cycle path and held under the anti terrorism act?

"familiarity breeds contempt" is a pretty poor argument for not presenting the whole facts and the truth. It would be a brave minister that would stand up and preach that line without comment.

My point is that we are all equals and therefore why should we be treated like adolescents and be protected from the truth. My theory is that theres not half as much of a threat as they allow us to believe and that we really are being ruled by the powere of fear.

sorry to jump in.

we are not told of every threat because of panic, when we do here of these things most of us get worried could you imagin if they told us every threat that new about.

people would get very scared and in some cases turn to violence against other people such as muslims.

and you also run the risk of tipping your hand against these people and they would get more carefull.
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Aug 10 2006, 10:25 AM
TJDIXI
Aug 10 2006, 11:11 AM
Great debating there lads and lasses. That's got my grey matter working this morning and i'm hoping it's helped me complete the Guardian Crossword in record time also.

nice to debate without it turning into slanging matches, too.... **thumbup

well it's good to see that for once i have managed to stop myself from insulting/annoying/being inmature to evereyone who posted an opinion Just like i always do!!!!

;)
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Aug 10 2006, 11:23 AM
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Aug 10 2006, 10:14 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 10:04 AM
TJDIXI
Aug 10 2006, 10:56 AM
Willie
Aug 10 2006, 09:52 AM
and don't forget they deal with a lot of threats that we never hear about.

but thats my point we don't actualy know that they do deal with any threats that we don't hear about/see. We don't actualy know the real severity of this 'apparent' threats, yet we all believe that they happen and that we need to be wary because of them. To be honest i'm happy to be proven wrong because it would go some way towards my trust being reinstalled in the system that we live in/under.

What would you have them do have a weekly ad in the national press, giving out the details. I am sure the people who attempt to bomb planes etc would be really pleased if they did...... sorry that was uncalled for but you get my meaning, they work on a need to know basis, if we need to know we will be told. otherwise it would be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" and no one would take any threat seriously.

what your not getting is that i'm distrusting of there actualy being a threat. If there are threats out there then why shouldn't we know about them? is it a governments position to parent us through our lives? should we not be in possesion of the full facts and be able to know where the threat really exists? Is all the information really that they hold really that sensitive? What consituits a serious threat when someone can be arrested in ther 60's for walking on a cycle path and held under the anti terrorism act?

"familiarity breeds contempt" is a pretty poor argument for not presenting the whole facts and the truth. It would be a brave minister that would stand up and preach that line without comment.

My point is that we are all equals and therefore why should we be treated like adolescents and be protected from the truth. My theory is that theres not half as much of a threat as they allow us to believe and that we really are being ruled by the powere of fear.

A lot depends on how you define "Threats"

I would love to carry this on but alas my self and my daughter have an appointment at the dentist.
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Aug 10 2006, 10:26 AM
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Aug 10 2006, 10:20 AM


IMO you should be treated as gulty untill you prove otherwise, if you have done nothing then it will come out that your innocent as we have seen latly .

thats how they treat all away fans at football grounds, and it dont work there!

but if your not out for trouble then nothing will happen to you.

respect should be given back to the police instead of listening to the criminals that are being hounded by such.

humen rights should be for people how treat others with respect instead of low lifes.
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Aug 10 2006, 11:29 AM
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Aug 10 2006, 10:25 AM
TJDIXI
Aug 10 2006, 11:11 AM
Great debating there lads and lasses. That's got my grey matter working this morning and i'm hoping it's helped me complete the Guardian Crossword in record time also.

nice to debate without it turning into slanging matches, too.... **thumbup

well it's good to see that for once i have managed to stop myself from insulting/annoying/being inmature to evereyone who posted an opinion Just like i always do!!!!

;)

:lol: yeah i saw that post about you - you nasty childish man... :D
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Aug 10 2006, 10:28 AM
sorry to jump in.

we are not told of every threat because of panic, when we do here of these things most of us get worried could you imagin if they told us every threat that new about.

people would get very scared and in some cases turn to violence against other people such as muslims.

and you also run the risk of tipping your hand against these people and they would get more carefull.

well you see that's a good point

we assume that there would be panic if we were told the whole truth and that we would attack groups that hold malice against us. But qwe don't actually know that, that would happen. We've been told that's a reason why we aren't told the whole truth - but is it actualy the case? My opinion is that if we knew the whole truth then we would be in a better position than we are now and as we would be able to make up our own minds on situation based on the whole truth lying before us.

It's easy to minipulate a feeling or a reaction out of someone by only telling them what you want them to actualy hear/see.

In regards to revenge attacks - that already happens because of the information released to us. If you look back on the high profile terror suspects then i would be fairly confident that the first denomiator that the media would use to identify the suspect would be there religion and then there race etc. It's assumed that any terrorist these days is a follower of Islam. Could the terrorist threats made against us be from a popular uprising of agnostics from Tooting Bec? very much so. However it's percieved that todays terrorist is Islamic and there has been nothing from the powers that be to dispell this.
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Aug 10 2006, 10:31 AM
A lot depends on how you define "Threats"

I would love to carry this on but alas my self and my daughter have an appointment at the dentist.

Fair enough. If i'm still on fire with the old keyboard typing later we'll contiue that theme Willie.
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Aug 10 2006, 10:39 AM
dr.nick
Aug 10 2006, 10:28 AM
sorry to jump in.

we are not told of every threat because of panic, when we do here of these things most of us get worried could you imagin if they told us every threat that new about.

people would get very scared and in some cases turn to violence against other people such as muslims.

and you also run the risk of tipping your hand against these people and they would get more carefull.

well you see that's a good point

we assume that there would be panic if we were told the whole truth and that we would attack groups that hold malice against us. But qwe don't actually know that, that would happen. We've been told that's a reason why we aren't told the whole truth - but is it actualy the case? My opinion is that if we knew the whole truth then we would be in a better position than we are now and as we would be able to make up our own minds on situation based on the whole truth lying before us.

It's easy to minipulate a feeling or a reaction out of someone by only telling them what you want them to actualy hear/see.

In regards to revenge attacks - that already happens because of the information released to us. If you look back on the high profile terror suspects then i would be fairly confident that the first denomiator that the media would use to identify the suspect would be there religion and then there race etc. It's assumed that any terrorist these days is a follower of Islam. Could the terrorist threats made against us be from a popular uprising of agnostics from Tooting Bec? very much so. However it's percieved that todays terrorist is Islamic and there has been nothing from the powers that be to dispell this.

i can only speek for myself and say that i would not go out attacking other groups we prsume to be like these people but others would us it to there advantage.

and dont forget there are some stupid people out there who would belive it.

i know it's only a minority who plan things like this today but i dont go anywhere areas such as alum rock and such just incase.

better to be safe than sorry.
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In 2001 when the American went into Afghanistan to relieve the Taliban of their authority, they also had to face another force, the drug baron warlords. As Tubbs pointed out not so long ago, poppy production has gone up 40% since the Taliban were disposed of.

The Amercan's answer to keeping the drug warlords out of it (2001 war) was their usual answer to everything, throw money at it. So they did, vast barrel loads out of planes onto the land owned by the warlords to buy them off. Since then, the warlords have built up a massive army and turned on the Americans. Deja vu anybody?

As a result of this we have at least 12 British soldiers dead (that we're told about) and an increased threat to our national security. Terrorism is just something that we're going to have to put up with.
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Terrorism is something we've been dealing with for a long time.
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Good read people.

It's reasonable IMO that we dont hear about all the threats unless we need to be told.

Mass hysteria and panic would potentially create more problems in the short term.

World Stock Markets and Oil prices are both likely to have adverse reations to this news and the knock on effect will be felt by all of us.
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f&%£!!

man how could i forget

my brother Ric is due back from New York today :o

he is gonna have some trouble getting back home

i just hope no BS goes down at JFK Airport :(
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my wife just called me in tears

she was on a bus going into town earlier

heard a loud bang and the bus filled with black smoke

(near green lane)

every one screaming and panicking trying to get off the bus

seems like an engine malfuntion BUT after everything going on today it has scared her to death

she just walked home back to yardley

she had our 2yr old boy with her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes u think

scary times we live in people

what a world



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I am currently here at Stansted Airport and the chaos is there for all to see. Police cordons everywhere, video vans, police with machine guns. Our flight isn't due to go till tomorrow anyway but a lot of them have been cancelled. Consequently here at the Stansted Radisson there are lots of checked in folk whose flights were cancelled.

Bloody great hotel though! I recommend this place to anyone!
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@ barnett - its rough mate, and so scary...you never know do you? after the bombs on buses/trains in london it could happen anywhere... :angry: :(
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My brother is a duty manager for BA at Heathrow and from what he has said today's events were necessary.

There are a lot of operations ongoing all the time that the public just don't get to know about. There have been a number of threats on heathrow and evidence found that we haven't heard about.

Last night my bro stopped a man boarding a plane because he had been asking passengers to carry his lap top onto the aircraft for him. When security was contacted they couldn't let the bloke go because he was on the known whatever list. As it is, he was allowed to fly but in light of today's events he could have done anything on that plane.

For the whole country to be on alert on this scale the threat must have been real and serious. Between 3 and 12 would have been attacked within the next 2 or 3 days.


I would rather see false alarms more often than planes exploding or crashing into buildings. This threat is real and we must act.

After July 7th people wanted to know why the bombers were not watched and pulled in by police. Now they're being cautious some people are complaining about the intelligence not being 100% spot on every time.

This wasn't just people being pulled from their beds, questioned then let go. This has affected air travel Worldwide.

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The way they were going to bring it through security too makes me sick, and another thing is they targeted a flish to orlando now they all make me sick but this is the worst as this is a young childs destination as much as i love it but killing innocent from babies up to 12 then the rest of them on there absoloutley SICK!
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Aug 10 2006, 10:05 PM
Last night my bro stopped a man boarding a plane because he had been asking passengers to carry his lap top onto the aircraft for him. When security was contacted they couldn't let the bloke go because he was on the known whatever list. As it is, he was allowed to fly but in light of today's events he could have done anything on that plane.

He's on a list but they let him fly ? Do I understand this right ?
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Aug 10 2006, 08:12 PM
@ barnett - its rough mate, and so scary...you never know do you? after the bombs on buses/trains in london it could happen anywhere... :angry: :(

thats the scary thing mate

and they dont care about killing themsleves in the process

they just want to destroy our way of life

its frightening mate

these people need to be rooted out and we need help from their communities to do it

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