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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 10 2006, 08:38 AM (645 Views) | |
| BARNETTSrun | Aug 10 2006, 10:14 AM Post #26 |
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Malcom Page
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:applause: WELL SAID WILLIE |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 10:15 AM Post #27 |
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Trevor Francis
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It's all about looking into something or taking the opposite view on a subject as much or as little as you like. Personly i like to at east try and look at both sides before making an idiot of myself. When i don't look at both sides i tend to end up making myself feel a little foolish for not doing so. You can take on board as many opinions as you wish but the important part is that you listen to something once in awhile that you don't believe, if only to balence and support what you do believe in. if that makes sense? |
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| dr.nick | Aug 10 2006, 10:20 AM Post #28 |
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Trevor Francis
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i'm glad there taking such messures , i wish they would let our security foces do more. problem is that untill they ditch these humon rights for suspects and criminals alike we (law abiding amongst us ) will always be in danger. IMO you should be treated as gulty untill you prove otherwise, if you have done nothing then it will come out that your innocent as we have seen latly . you cant go softly with these people. |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 10:23 AM Post #29 |
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what your not getting is that i'm distrusting of there actualy being a threat. If there are threats out there then why shouldn't we know about them? is it a governments position to parent us through our lives? should we not be in possesion of the full facts and be able to know where the threat really exists? Is all the information really that they hold really that sensitive? What consituits a serious threat when someone can be arrested in ther 60's for walking on a cycle path and held under the anti terrorism act? "familiarity breeds contempt" is a pretty poor argument for not presenting the whole facts and the truth. It would be a brave minister that would stand up and preach that line without comment. My point is that we are all equals and therefore why should we be treated like adolescents and be protected from the truth. My theory is that theres not half as much of a threat as they allow us to believe and that we really are being ruled by the powere of fear. |
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| proccy_blues | Aug 10 2006, 10:25 AM Post #30 |
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Joe Bradford
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nice to debate without it turning into slanging matches, too.... **thumbup |
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| bcfc83 | Aug 10 2006, 10:26 AM Post #31 |
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thats how they treat all away fans at football grounds, and it dont work there! |
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| dr.nick | Aug 10 2006, 10:28 AM Post #32 |
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Trevor Francis
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sorry to jump in. we are not told of every threat because of panic, when we do here of these things most of us get worried could you imagin if they told us every threat that new about. people would get very scared and in some cases turn to violence against other people such as muslims. and you also run the risk of tipping your hand against these people and they would get more carefull. |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 10:29 AM Post #33 |
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Trevor Francis
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well it's good to see that for once i have managed to stop myself from insulting/annoying/being inmature to evereyone who posted an opinion Just like i always do!!!! ;) |
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| Willie | Aug 10 2006, 10:31 AM Post #34 |
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A lot depends on how you define "Threats" I would love to carry this on but alas my self and my daughter have an appointment at the dentist. |
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| dr.nick | Aug 10 2006, 10:31 AM Post #35 |
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Trevor Francis
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but if your not out for trouble then nothing will happen to you. respect should be given back to the police instead of listening to the criminals that are being hounded by such. humen rights should be for people how treat others with respect instead of low lifes. |
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| proccy_blues | Aug 10 2006, 10:32 AM Post #36 |
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Joe Bradford
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:lol: yeah i saw that post about you - you nasty childish man... :D |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 10:39 AM Post #37 |
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Trevor Francis
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well you see that's a good point we assume that there would be panic if we were told the whole truth and that we would attack groups that hold malice against us. But qwe don't actually know that, that would happen. We've been told that's a reason why we aren't told the whole truth - but is it actualy the case? My opinion is that if we knew the whole truth then we would be in a better position than we are now and as we would be able to make up our own minds on situation based on the whole truth lying before us. It's easy to minipulate a feeling or a reaction out of someone by only telling them what you want them to actualy hear/see. In regards to revenge attacks - that already happens because of the information released to us. If you look back on the high profile terror suspects then i would be fairly confident that the first denomiator that the media would use to identify the suspect would be there religion and then there race etc. It's assumed that any terrorist these days is a follower of Islam. Could the terrorist threats made against us be from a popular uprising of agnostics from Tooting Bec? very much so. However it's percieved that todays terrorist is Islamic and there has been nothing from the powers that be to dispell this. |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 10:40 AM Post #38 |
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Trevor Francis
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Fair enough. If i'm still on fire with the old keyboard typing later we'll contiue that theme Willie. |
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| dr.nick | Aug 10 2006, 10:44 AM Post #39 |
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i can only speek for myself and say that i would not go out attacking other groups we prsume to be like these people but others would us it to there advantage. and dont forget there are some stupid people out there who would belive it. i know it's only a minority who plan things like this today but i dont go anywhere areas such as alum rock and such just incase. better to be safe than sorry. |
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| Blues | Aug 10 2006, 10:59 AM Post #40 |
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In 2001 when the American went into Afghanistan to relieve the Taliban of their authority, they also had to face another force, the drug baron warlords. As Tubbs pointed out not so long ago, poppy production has gone up 40% since the Taliban were disposed of. The Amercan's answer to keeping the drug warlords out of it (2001 war) was their usual answer to everything, throw money at it. So they did, vast barrel loads out of planes onto the land owned by the warlords to buy them off. Since then, the warlords have built up a massive army and turned on the Americans. Deja vu anybody? As a result of this we have at least 12 British soldiers dead (that we're told about) and an increased threat to our national security. Terrorism is just something that we're going to have to put up with. |
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| TJDIXI | Aug 10 2006, 11:02 AM Post #41 |
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Trevor Francis
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Terrorism is something we've been dealing with for a long time. |
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| tim | Aug 10 2006, 12:19 PM Post #42 |
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Malcom Page
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Good read people. It's reasonable IMO that we dont hear about all the threats unless we need to be told. Mass hysteria and panic would potentially create more problems in the short term. World Stock Markets and Oil prices are both likely to have adverse reations to this news and the knock on effect will be felt by all of us. |
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| The Concerned Potato Head | Aug 10 2006, 04:01 PM Post #43 |
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f&%£!! man how could i forget my brother Ric is due back from New York today :o he is gonna have some trouble getting back home i just hope no BS goes down at JFK Airport :( |
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| BARNETTSrun | Aug 10 2006, 04:19 PM Post #44 |
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my wife just called me in tears she was on a bus going into town earlier heard a loud bang and the bus filled with black smoke (near green lane) every one screaming and panicking trying to get off the bus seems like an engine malfuntion BUT after everything going on today it has scared her to death she just walked home back to yardley she had our 2yr old boy with her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes u think scary times we live in people what a world |
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| djmmusic | Aug 10 2006, 05:40 PM Post #45 |
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I am currently here at Stansted Airport and the chaos is there for all to see. Police cordons everywhere, video vans, police with machine guns. Our flight isn't due to go till tomorrow anyway but a lot of them have been cancelled. Consequently here at the Stansted Radisson there are lots of checked in folk whose flights were cancelled. Bloody great hotel though! I recommend this place to anyone! |
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| proccy_blues | Aug 10 2006, 08:12 PM Post #46 |
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Joe Bradford
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@ barnett - its rough mate, and so scary...you never know do you? after the bombs on buses/trains in london it could happen anywhere... :angry: :( |
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| k-bek | Aug 10 2006, 10:05 PM Post #47 |
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My brother is a duty manager for BA at Heathrow and from what he has said today's events were necessary. There are a lot of operations ongoing all the time that the public just don't get to know about. There have been a number of threats on heathrow and evidence found that we haven't heard about. Last night my bro stopped a man boarding a plane because he had been asking passengers to carry his lap top onto the aircraft for him. When security was contacted they couldn't let the bloke go because he was on the known whatever list. As it is, he was allowed to fly but in light of today's events he could have done anything on that plane. For the whole country to be on alert on this scale the threat must have been real and serious. Between 3 and 12 would have been attacked within the next 2 or 3 days. I would rather see false alarms more often than planes exploding or crashing into buildings. This threat is real and we must act. After July 7th people wanted to know why the bombers were not watched and pulled in by police. Now they're being cautious some people are complaining about the intelligence not being 100% spot on every time. This wasn't just people being pulled from their beds, questioned then let go. This has affected air travel Worldwide. |
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| davisbluenose | Aug 10 2006, 10:06 PM Post #48 |
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The way they were going to bring it through security too makes me sick, and another thing is they targeted a flish to orlando now they all make me sick but this is the worst as this is a young childs destination as much as i love it but killing innocent from babies up to 12 then the rest of them on there absoloutley SICK! |
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| Forward62 | Aug 11 2006, 07:12 AM Post #49 |
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He's on a list but they let him fly ? Do I understand this right ? |
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| BARNETTSrun | Aug 11 2006, 10:10 AM Post #50 |
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thats the scary thing mate and they dont care about killing themsleves in the process they just want to destroy our way of life its frightening mate these people need to be rooted out and we need help from their communities to do it |
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