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Had Enough Of Bruce Out, Get A Life; he's not going ANYWHERE so get over it
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Topic Started: Sep 29 2006, 11:03 PM (1,681 Views)
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Wisel
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Oct 3 2006, 11:54 AM
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You lot go into vehement defence of your own positions so quickly and so loudly that it seems you feel your position is weak. If you didn't see the handball taht the ref missed that lead directly to the goal, and that the handball followed one of the most blatant wrestlings to the floor of our player I have seen, if you undertand why their keeper was still on the pitch after he profeeesionally took out our player as last man, if you think the referee had a good game yesterday, if you think that I am making excuses for losing three points...........then I see no reason trying to debate things further with you. We obviously see totally different things.
Just one last attempt.............I think we played reasonable attacking football yesterday, I do not think we are near our best performances yet (probably three or so weeks away from that blend), we would have won the game yesetrday, even though bery unconvincingly, if it weren't for one two direct mistakes by the referee in specifically missing two fouls in the move that lead to the goal. 1-0 to Blues would have been a fair outcome, we dominated the game, they has two shots on goal.
But again if you are determined that Bruce will fail and see and report everything so that you justify your position then the debate is over isn't it? If that clouds your judgement so much, then I really do fear for the future of BCFC, we seem to have so many people who whould prefer to see Blues fail just so they protect their reputations. It will happen again with the next manager or another player on and on and on.
But thats the whole point i dont think any of us WANT to see Bruce fail----- its just that he HAS failed. Full stop
Not by any measure that has any rationality at all has Bruce failed.
so now he is a success?????????????????????????????????'
Did I say he was a success? Are you saying he is a success? Are you starting a different debate?
There is a great deal of wriggling going on when people make good points, the subject is changed to suit an arguament some other folk appear to be determined to have no matter what the relevenance of the preceding devate.
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Oct 3 2006, 12:00 PM
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Wisel, I'm confused ..........
Taylor Sadler Tebs Jaidi Kelly Larsson Nafti Muamba McSheff DJC Bendy
Out of Saturday's starting line up
Taylor Sadler Tebs DJC
all played at the club last year (Nafti i'll give you the benefit of the doubt due to last year's injury)
7 new players (including Nafti) out of 11 is 64%
How did you arrive at 90% ?
I would see only Taylor and Tebs as establushed first team players, and even Tebs is an in and out player. I have to say my %ge was not accurately worked out. But you get the drift don't you. Cardiff were topping up a pretty successful Championship squad from last term, we were almost starting over.
Yeah-and then Cardiff had the added 'gift' of between £3-4m from us for their top forward............ And topped their squad up very nicely! Consequently we STILL can't score goals whilst theyre doing it for fun and romping away with the league-how does that work then???!!!!! wtf**
Which point and whcih person would you like me to answer eh. I answered the point made. Your new point Wythall is something entirely different. If you make your point clearly and separately I will answer taht as well, but jumping on theback of someone else's arguament to make a cheap shop is not really worth a response.
That wasn't a pop at you-bit touchy aren't we :P
It was more a pop at Bruce-in line with the general thread!!!
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Oct 3 2006, 12:21 PM
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Wisel I'm as confused as others - You say "Not by any measure that has any rationality at all has Bruce failed"
Now in my book if you haven't failed it means you've succeeded - Unless of course your slipping in to the PC idiom where nobody fails an exam they merely have a different level of attainment.
I prefer plain english and simple measures therefore
Promotion to premier league - success Retain premier league status - fail Learn from past errors - fail Motivate players - fail Maintain discipline among players - fail Address problem positions within the team - fail (left back?)
I could go on but as I'm at work and my lunchtime is nearly over I'll finish there.
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Oct 3 2006, 01:22 PM
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You lot go into vehement defence of your own positions so quickly and so loudly that it seems you feel your position is weak. If you didn't see the handball taht the ref missed that lead directly to the goal, and that the handball followed one of the most blatant wrestlings to the floor of our player I have seen, if you undertand why their keeper was still on the pitch after he profeeesionally took out our player as last man, if you think the referee had a good game yesterday, if you think that I am making excuses for losing three points...........then I see no reason trying to debate things further with you. We obviously see totally different things.
Just one last attempt.............I think we played reasonable attacking football yesterday, I do not think we are near our best performances yet (probably three or so weeks away from that blend), we would have won the game yesetrday, even though bery unconvincingly, if it weren't for one two direct mistakes by the referee in specifically missing two fouls in the move that lead to the goal. 1-0 to Blues would have been a fair outcome, we dominated the game, they has two shots on goal.
But again if you are determined that Bruce will fail and see and report everything so that you justify your position then the debate is over isn't it? If that clouds your judgement so much, then I really do fear for the future of BCFC, we seem to have so many people who whould prefer to see Blues fail just so they protect their reputations. It will happen again with the next manager or another player on and on and on.
But thats the whole point i dont think any of us WANT to see Bruce fail----- its just that he HAS failed. Full stop
Not by any measure that has any rationality at all has Bruce failed.
so now he is a success?????????????????????????????????'
Did I say he was a success? Are you saying he is a success? Are you starting a different debate? There is a great deal of wriggling going on when people make good points, the subject is changed to suit an arguament some other folk appear to be determined to have no matter what the relevenance of the preceding devate.
No i know you didnt say he was a success but was just a bit confused, you say you cannot consider him well rationally anyway to be a failure, well just what is he then?
Answer me this one question if you would be so kind,
Where were we when Bruce took over and where are we know?
When you have answered that, then reconsider whether Bruce has succeeded in doing anything
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Oct 3 2006, 01:24 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
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Oct 3 2006, 01:53 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Let's get this straight: Charlton were relegated after one season in the Premier League, not four. A large proportion of teams who come up go straight back down. Had Blues gone straight down after one season it would have been entirely different to what - in fact - has happened.
And that's ignoring the fact that Curbishley took them straight back up again where they've been ever since.
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Oct 3 2006, 01:53 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton.
But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up,
But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce,
And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club.
Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
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Wisel
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Oct 3 2006, 02:07 PM
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Wisel I'm as confused as others which others would that be, who are you talking for here? Do you not feel your own opinion strong enough to stand on it's own? - You say "Not by any measure that has any rationality at all has Bruce failed"
Now in my book if you haven't failed it means you've succeeded - Unless of course your slipping in to the PC idiom where nobody fails an exam they merely have a different level of attainment.
I prefer plain english and simple measures therefore
Promotion to premier league - success Rateain Premiership stauts ~ success Retain Preniership status stauts ~ success Retain premier league status - fail Learn from past errors - fail Not a measue, just an opinion Motivate players - fail Not a measue, just an opinion Maintain discipline among players - fail Not a measue, just an opinion Address problem positions within the team - fail (left back?) Not a measue, just an opinion
I could go on but as I'm at work and my lunchtime is nearly over I'll finish there.
So on your own criteria, and ignoring unproveable opinions, he is by no rational measure, a failure
Does that resolve your confusion, or do you need more explanation?
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Wisel
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Oct 3 2006, 02:14 PM
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You lot go into vehement defence of your own positions so quickly and so loudly that it seems you feel your position is weak. If you didn't see the handball taht the ref missed that lead directly to the goal, and that the handball followed one of the most blatant wrestlings to the floor of our player I have seen, if you undertand why their keeper was still on the pitch after he profeeesionally took out our player as last man, if you think the referee had a good game yesterday, if you think that I am making excuses for losing three points...........then I see no reason trying to debate things further with you. We obviously see totally different things.
Just one last attempt.............I think we played reasonable attacking football yesterday, I do not think we are near our best performances yet (probably three or so weeks away from that blend), we would have won the game yesetrday, even though bery unconvincingly, if it weren't for one two direct mistakes by the referee in specifically missing two fouls in the move that lead to the goal. 1-0 to Blues would have been a fair outcome, we dominated the game, they has two shots on goal.
But again if you are determined that Bruce will fail and see and report everything so that you justify your position then the debate is over isn't it? If that clouds your judgement so much, then I really do fear for the future of BCFC, we seem to have so many people who whould prefer to see Blues fail just so they protect their reputations. It will happen again with the next manager or another player on and on and on.
But thats the whole point i dont think any of us WANT to see Bruce fail----- its just that he HAS failed. Full stop
Not by any measure that has any rationality at all has Bruce failed.
so now he is a success?????????????????????????????????'
Did I say he was a success? Are you saying he is a success? Are you starting a different debate? There is a great deal of wriggling going on when people make good points, the subject is changed to suit an arguament some other folk appear to be determined to have no matter what the relevenance of the preceding devate.
No i know you didnt say he was a success but was just a bit confused, you say you cannot consider him well rationally anyway to be a failure, well just what is he then? Answer me this one question if you would be so kind, Where were we when Bruce took over and where are we know? When you have answered that, then reconsider whether Bruce has succeeded in doing anything
I will answer your question, even though my answer is likely to have little value to you. I will still put in the effort.
When SB took over we were 12 in the 'Championship, we are now 2nd. If you want that as your measure, then there it is, he has succeeded more than failed.
If you add to that we have spent three years in the Premirship in the meantime, rather than the three previous years to SB takeover being in the 'Championship' then he has succeeded more significantly.
I would not class him as a success yet by any means, and as i have said a few times, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward now, But that is not the point that I am answering, which was that he is a total failure. He is not, not by any rational measure.
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Oct 3 2006, 03:01 PM
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Your reply has been noted and read as usual, we could go round in circles all day.
All depends on your viewpoint eh **thumbup
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Oct 3 2006, 05:23 PM
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Wisel check your stats
We have an atrocious disciplinary record under SB and have been warned by the FA about it - Not opinion fact
Retaining premier league status - We're not in the Premier anymore therefore - Fail you can't rationally argue otherwise.
As for the others, well I'm assessed on such criteria in my job so why shouldn't SB be. By the measures that are applied to my performance SB has failed on all 3.
If my staff performed so far below expectations as the Blues team have over the last 2 seasons there'd be no debating on message boards, no one saying give him more time , I'd be out of a job.
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Oct 3 2006, 07:41 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:00 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
Yes because that is settling for mediocrity.
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Oct 4 2006, 12:10 PM
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
All i meant was i want Blues to be in the Prem dont care where we finish as long as we dont go down, of course i would love Blues to win the league, but that is hardly likely to happen, so i suppose with ambition we Might get a Champs league place one day, or Uefa but please dont construe my statement as settling for mediocrity please.
Mediocrity is what we HAVE now, a mediocre team, mediocre manager in a mediocre league, if i was happy with mediocrity i would want Bruce to stay, i would want us to stay in this league.
Being in the Prem means you are not mediocre you are one of the best 20 teams in the country and playing week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world.
When i read threads like "im glad we are in the Championship the football is more exciting" Thats when i think mediocre, and how many people on this board alone have stated they are happy with our current plight??? Quite a few, now that is excepting mediocrity.
Am 42 and like a few of us i dont watch to watch us scrapping in this rubbish league, i dont want a return to the late eighties, i think thats why some of us are so peeved at the situation that Blues are in at the moment and why the acceptance of mediocrity by some fans is beyond belief.
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
All i meant was i want Blues to be in the Prem dont care where we finish as long as we dont go down, of course i would love Blues to win the league, but that is hardly likely to happen, so i suppose with ambition we Might get a Champs league place one day, or Uefa but please dont construe my statement as settling for mediocrity please. Mediocrity is what we HAVE now, a mediocre team, mediocre manager in a mediocre league, if i was happy with mediocrity i would want Bruce to stay, i would want us to stay in this league. Being in the Prem means you are not mediocre you are one of the best 20 teams in the country and playing week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world. When i read threads like "im glad we are in the Championship the football is more exciting" Thats when i think mediocre, and how many people on this board alone have stated they are happy with our current plight??? Quite a few, now that is excepting mediocrity. Am 42 and like a few of us i dont watch to watch us scrapping in this rubbish league, i dont want a return to the late eighties, i think thats why some of us are so peeved at the situation that Blues are in at the moment and why the acceptance of mediocrity by some fans is beyond belief.
I'm nearly 40 and tired of this rubbish league and the bad days so I agree with you-Spot on-I'd love to be middle of the Prem table every season with maybe a good cup run/league cup final appearance and of course locking horns with the vile every year!!
We'll never win the league or compete with the huge European clubs-sorry it just won't happen!
Do you know our Vile neighbours are one of only seven clubs never to have been relegated from the Prem-and they think Mr Ellis did them a bad job......they may have had poor seasons but they have won a couple of cups and NEVER suffered the despair we regularly seem to with our relegations and play off debacles!!!
Wouldn't you like us to have been members of the elite for that period-I certainly would!
At my age and many years of sorrows I thought our period of stability in the top flight AND domination over Vile had finally come.......... :(
Oh well I suppose it wouldn't be normal to be a Blues fan without being kicked in the balls by major disappointment every few years would it??!!
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- Oct 3 2006, 01:24 PM
So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
All i meant was i want Blues to be in the Prem dont care where we finish as long as we dont go down, of course i would love Blues to win the league, but that is hardly likely to happen, so i suppose with ambition we Might get a Champs league place one day, or Uefa but please dont construe my statement as settling for mediocrity please. Mediocrity is what we HAVE now, a mediocre team, mediocre manager in a mediocre league, if i was happy with mediocrity i would want Bruce to stay, i would want us to stay in this league. Being in the Prem means you are not mediocre you are one of the best 20 teams in the country and playing week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world. When i read threads like "im glad we are in the Championship the football is more exciting" Thats when i think mediocre, and how many people on this board alone have stated they are happy with our current plight??? Quite a few, now that is excepting mediocrity. Am 42 and like a few of us i dont watch to watch us scrapping in this rubbish league, i dont want a return to the late eighties, i think thats why some of us are so peeved at the situation that Blues are in at the moment and why the acceptance of mediocrity by some fans is beyond belief.
I'm nearly 40 and tired of this rubbish league and the bad days so I agree with you-Spot on-I'd love to be middle of the Prem table every season with maybe a good cup run/league cup final appearance and of course locking horns with the vile every year!! We'll never win the league or compete with the huge European clubs-sorry it just won't happen! Do you know our Vile neighbours are one of only seven clubs never to have been relegated from the Prem-and they think Mr Ellis did them a bad job......they may have had poor seasons but they have won a couple of cups and NEVER suffered the despair we regularly seem to with our relegations and play off debacles!!! Wouldn't you like us to have been members of the elite for that period-I certainly would! At my age and many years of sorrows I thought our period of stability in the top flight AND domination over Vile had finally come.......... :( Oh well I suppose it wouldn't be normal to be a Blues fan without being kicked in the balls by major disappointment every few years would it??!!
Said exactly the same when on a rant to the missus the other day, i said i thought wed got there and with our owners and set up we surely cant go back down (well not for the foreseeable anyway) was beginning to think we could actually compete with the Vile and a good many other teams and what happens as you say a mightykick in the old harrys, and we are back to square one, that is what makes me and so many others others so sick about relegation and the fact nothing was done to avoid it .
Dont think ive ever been so gutted it still hurts now, well except for the semi against Fulham,
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Oct 4 2006, 09:29 PM
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Trouble is that I think in our 4 seasons in prem we never really moved forwards. We were always seen as an unfashionable club and whether we like it or not if we do go back up the same thing will apply again as it takes years to establish yourself in the top flight and to attract genuine quality.
The only times we actually signed what looked like real quality players with a pedigree was the likes of Gronkjaer, Butt, Pennant and Heskey etc but from day one I always got the impression they'd just come for the money or saw us as an opportunity to be used as a stepping stone to better things.
Unfortunately the same will apply again. I actually think we will gain promotion this season but it wil take one hell of a job to stay in the top flight and attract the players with the right quality and attitude to stay there.
One thing that as always amazed me is why we don't have a better youth policy/academy. If we had quality players coming through the youth system at least we'd know there heart was in the club and they'd give there all. Look at the likes of West Ham, Man Utd and viler they have for years built there sides around a nucleas of young players bought through the academys with varying degrees of success.
We are never going to be in a position to compete for the major players due to finances and not being seen as a big club so why don't we invest more in the youth system and in 10 years time who knows what benefits we could reap.
Unfortunately like most things with this club our future planning seems to just go from one season to the next instead of having a long term plan. Its an absolute disgrace that we are still playing in such a small and shoddy stadium and that the board put all there eggs into one basket in hoping to get the casino money and never had a plan B. What kind of way is that to run a business.
Like I said while this club has no long term plan we will inevitably always struggle in the lower reaches of prem or top half of championship.
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Unfortunately like most things with this club our future planning seems to just go from one season to the next instead of having a long term plan.
Nail. Hammer. Thwack.
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So Alan Curbishley 'failed' when he took Charlton Athletic down, right?
Yes he did fail, and i know where you are leading, you are saying we should stick it out and see if Bruce gets us back up? Like what happened at Charlton. But you cant really make a fair comparison, Charlton are not as financially powerful for a start and Curbishley didnt spend mega millions on the team he took down, noe did he have mega money to help him get back up, But i suppose you could go on all day comparing the two AND who knows IF he would be a better manager here than Bruce, but seriously my viewpoint is that after 2 and a half years of depression and watching Blues slide away into the championship without even so much as a whimper, ive had enough of Bruce, And i think his childish refusal to do the after match interview and then rubbish on about it all being the refs fault just about topped it for me, that is a sign of a man under pressure and he knows it, and hopefully in a few games time we wont have to have meaningless discussions about the man because sometime soon SOMEONE who counts is going to realise he has got to go for the sake of the club. Remember You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
I can understand why you want Bruce out, fair enough. But he hasn't spent mega-millions, that is a popular misconception. Yes, he has spent more than any other Blues manager only because we have been making pots of money from being a PL club. I could argue that Bruce wanted to sign Darren Bent from Ipswich before Charlton did but the board wouldn't pay the dough. I think he's about £3 million or £4 million up on money this summer as well. Curbishely is a fine manager but he was under no real pressure at Charlton. He helped build them up over a period of years. Mid-table finishes were fine for them. What he did do was buy the best Championship players available when they went down. Similar to what Bruce has done. I agree you can't really make a fair comparison. It's impossible. I'm not a Bruce supporters but I try to see both sides. And in fairness to him he didn't bottle out of the after match interview on Saturday he was actually ill (i know because one of my mates in the execs saw him) and had been all week. The only ones who will pull the plug are the owners and they will only do that if we lose four or five in a row and it looks like a complete disaster, which it isn't. And here's a thought: if they had got any indication from Curbishley that he would come here, don't you think they would have done something now before other clubs sacked their managers? Either he doesn't want to - which is the case apparently - or they don't fancy him.
Am i sad in saying a mid table finish in the Prem is good enough for me **thumbup
All i meant was i want Blues to be in the Prem dont care where we finish as long as we dont go down, of course i would love Blues to win the league, but that is hardly likely to happen, so i suppose with ambition we Might get a Champs league place one day, or Uefa but please dont construe my statement as settling for mediocrity please. Mediocrity is what we HAVE now, a mediocre team, mediocre manager in a mediocre league, if i was happy with mediocrity i would want Bruce to stay, i would want us to stay in this league. Being in the Prem means you are not mediocre you are one of the best 20 teams in the country and playing week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world. When i read threads like "im glad we are in the Championship the football is more exciting" Thats when i think mediocre, and how many people on this board alone have stated they are happy with our current plight??? Quite a few, now that is excepting mediocrity. Am 42 and like a few of us i dont watch to watch us scrapping in this rubbish league, i dont want a return to the late eighties, i think thats why some of us are so peeved at the situation that Blues are in at the moment and why the acceptance of mediocrity by some fans is beyond belief.
I'm nearly 40 and tired of this rubbish league and the bad days so I agree with you-Spot on-I'd love to be middle of the Prem table every season with maybe a good cup run/league cup final appearance and of course locking horns with the vile every year!! We'll never win the league or compete with the huge European clubs-sorry it just won't happen! Do you know our Vile neighbours are one of only seven clubs never to have been relegated from the Prem-and they think Mr Ellis did them a bad job......they may have had poor seasons but they have won a couple of cups and NEVER suffered the despair we regularly seem to with our relegations and play off debacles!!! Wouldn't you like us to have been members of the elite for that period-I certainly would! At my age and many years of sorrows I thought our period of stability in the top flight AND domination over Vile had finally come.......... :( Oh well I suppose it wouldn't be normal to be a Blues fan without being kicked in the balls by major disappointment every few years would it??!!
Said exactly the same when on a rant to the missus the other day, i said i thought wed got there and with our owners and set up we surely cant go back down (well not for the foreseeable anyway) was beginning to think we could actually compete with the Vile and a good many other teams and what happens as you say a mightykick in the old harrys, and we are back to square one, that is what makes me and so many others others so sick about relegation and the fact nothing was done to avoid it . Dont think ive ever been so gutted it still hurts now, well except for the semi against Fulham,
Yes and that's how I feel too-still gutted! It's ok for the owners to have a go about how it's time to stop mourning our relegation etc etc-the'yve not seen the whole picture!
Like the nite the vile viler won the European Cup with the ex Blues player somehow managing to shin it into the net........
Like when they won the league and beat us on the way.
Like a million other heartbreaks!!
We are 2 months into the new season and I'm still coming to terms that we are in division **** again.....and they try and charge me the missus and 2 kids £90 for the privelege of watching a 1-1 draw V Leicester-FFS be realistic!! We spent the day at David Lloyd instead and as our dinner's arrived the big screen informed us of Leicester's equaliser-and I felt relieved not to of spent all that money on yet more disappointment!(btw me and my Dad had until this season kept the same seats since 1993 as season ticket holders)
It's rubbish and to be honest if we don't start scoring goals soon (which has been Bruce's achilles heel and TF before him) and I have major doubts prepare for more years of rubbish :(
I hope and pray I will get the passion back of my previous 30 years of life but right now it has deserted me......and many of my old Blue Nose mates feel the same!
If Curbishley is available we must go for him-Steve-I thank you for the good times you provided us but to get out of these 'stale' period we need a new manager.
KRO all!
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Excellent and honest post Wythall **thumbup
As a BlueNose of 40 years I'm gutted to see how far this great club has fallen when we could have been challenging for Europe 2 yeras back
When Mark Bowen was hounded out of the club Bruce should have quickly followed
It seems most of the older Blues fans can see the root of all evil ....we were bought up on players dying for the shirt ,100 per cent grafters and committed and quality players such as Francis,Latchford,Harford,Gallagher,Kendall,Worthington,Toddy and Seaman,etc etc
I guess we have to accept that some of these Pro Brucers only recall the dark days of the old Third Division where Claridge,Saville and Gleghorn were compared to Cryuff and Pele and our current position is seen as some sort of success
Some of us have our standards set a little higher
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Oct 5 2006, 08:11 AM
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What on earth is this great game all about when you cannot even contemplate winning anything significant.
Can We Have Our Game Back
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Oct 5 2006, 10:50 AM
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What on earth is this great game all about when you cannot even contemplate winning anything significant.
Can We Have Our Game Back
as soon as you get your ball back
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Wisel
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Oct 5 2006, 11:05 AM
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Well spotted, that was the play on phraseology
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