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Tom Ross Is To Blame; Put the blame where it belongs
Topic Started: Oct 1 2006, 12:11 PM (1,243 Views)
k-bek
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Yes because the Bruce Out brigade are getting desperate.

One of them actually wants us to lose our next game so we have the same record as we had when Francis was sacked. You couldn't make it up.
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Oct 1 2006, 10:00 PM
Tom Ross is to blame because he won't demand the board sack Bruce and our board listen to his show.

Some people think that if Tom Ross Jumped on the bandwagon, the board would listen and then they'd sack him.

So, sack Tom Ross. He's the only person the board listen to. He hasn't got a clue apparently but without his commentary they'd know even less.

TOM ROSS OUT

I'm boycotting BRMB from now on. I'm only going to listen to BRMB so I can be certain I no longer want to listen to it.

dear oh dear! people realy have lost the plot
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k-bek
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No, walker, I haven't.

It was tongue in cheek. Just goes to show how stupid some arguments for the sacking of Bruce really are.
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Oct 1 2006, 10:14 PM
No, walker, I haven't.

It was tongue in cheek. Just goes to show how stupid some arguments for the sacking of Bruce really are.

no K-bek, i think you have, or you dont get my humar! as i was getting yours!
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Bruce IN!
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k-bek
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Ooooohhhhh I'm with you now!!! LOL

BRUCE IN
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walker2831
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nice to find a friend in my Bruce in venture! i dont feel very well supported on here though! ;)
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k-bek
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Don't hold your breath m8!! LOL

Its almost all anti Bruce as most others don't bother much.

As soon as that goal went in I turned to the bloke next to me and said "they'll boo at the final whistle" and they did. Pathetic.

Conceding a goal like that is never nice but for the referee to duck out of the decisions he did yesterday is even worse. Our boys should play to the whistle but a blatant hand ball should ahve been seen. The keeper should have walked and there were 2 lunges from behind that went unpunished in the 2nd half. It all adds up.

If we had put our chances away Leicester's goal wouldn't have made a difference. if they had been reduced to 10 or even 9 men then we would have found fewer than 9 men in defence for 85 minutes.

I some times think that some people don't watch what the oposition are doing.


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Dear or dear, are you honestly blaming Steve Bennett for our failure to beat Leicester yesterday?

There were 2 men covering when their keeper fouled DJC and it definitely wasn't a red card.

"If we had put our chances away" if the mother of all "Ifs". If we had Rooney up front I reckon we'd score a few more goals, how's that?

Was it Bennett who dictated our tactics?
Did he play Larsson at right-wing, when it's obvious he's not a winger?
Did he select an obviously inept Sadler at left-back?
Did he persist in playing a centre-back known to his friends as "bomb-scare"?
Did he fail to keep the players playing at a sufficiently high tempo until it was too late?

I could go on.

I'm afraid the lack of Pro-SB posts on this thread merely reflect the reality of the debate. His support is ebbing slowly and surely away.

Maybe we can blame Steve Bennett for that?
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k-bek
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:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

The lack of pro Bruce posts reflects how people can't be botehred to come on any more because it is often boring clap trap.

No, Bennet wasn't directly to blame, neither was Bruce.

However, DJ would have been clear on goal, no defender would have stopped him scoring because they weren't close enough.

Bennet gave Leicester a free kick while their player was ripping Bendtner's shirt off at 1 point.


If Leicester had scored all of their chances, oh hang on they did. They only had 1 clear cut chance because we dominated without killing the game.
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i know exactly what you mean!!
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Generally speaking :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: is not the best way to advance one side of an argument by reasoned debate.

Are you suggesting that the Pro-Bruce lobby are not capable of stifling debate with their own brand of cock-eyed loyalty to the great man?

Why are you so sure DJ would have scored? He's hardly been deadly in the clear-cut one on ones he's had this season?

By the way. Leicester had 4 shots on target and we had 7. This against a side who were 4th from bottom. I suspect our sub, CJ, is worth more than their squad and ground put together.

If they had taken their chances, you might have heard a lot more booing.
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I've said for years that its because of fans like Tom Ross that this club has never achieved anything. Mediocrity is taken as some kind of achievement by people like him.

Look at last season. We finished 18th, viler finished just 2 places above us and in the summer sack their manager as they considered 16th to be an appalling season and 99% of fans wanted O'Leary out. Tom Ross as since stated in print and on radio that O'Leary was a rubbish manager. What the hell does that make Bruce then as we got relegated? For some strange reason though its almost accepted by a lot of fans that failiure is acceptable for this club as we're used to it.

We have never and will never achieve anything while we have this attitude amongst our supporters.

Some clubs fans won't accept failiure or rejoice in mediocrity we for some reason have and do.
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I guess everyone has now been blamed. The pro and anti Bruce are warring with each other over blame, certain posters on here blame all the supporters for our failures, certain players have been made scapegoats, the coaching staff, the board, Bruce and even the tea lady, so why not include Tom Ross??? so far he's got away with it likely :P

IMO i think Tom Ross has lost a lot of credibility over the past year or so. Whenever a Bluenose takes him to task over a club issue, he tries to put his point across that there are two sides to every scenario and he will often sit on the fence. On many occasions whenever a Baggie or Vile calls him he will often join in with their criticism of players, management or club issues and not apply the same principals to his arguments that he does with us Bluenoses....... His consistancy is shocking....

I've been switched onto WM lately, and noticed that a lot of Toms old regular Friday evening callers are now ringing into to their Friday night phone in instead, looks like the times are changing...
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k-bek
Oct 1 2006, 10:45 PM
The lack of pro Bruce posts reflects how people can't be botehred to come on any more because it is often boring clap trap.

I've scoured this forum and others. There is a discernable change of attitude amonst fans. Even his most loyal supporters have started to recognise that Bruce cannot go on here. The lack of any credible argument in favour of Bruce only reflects the situation.

To claim that the pro-Bruce crowd no longer log on is a little deluded. Compare the regulars on here with those twelve months ago and there is little change - except in opinion.

If you truly want to believe that there is still a groundswell of opinion in favour of Bruce, so be it. The reality is entirely different though. Dont just use the message board as a yardstick, listen to the fans at the ground, in the pub or on the street. They are saying exactly what over 75% of the fans on this board are saying: Bruce is finished.

The former pro-Bruce crowd aren't missing - they've just altered their opinions.
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Oct 1 2006, 01:11 PM
If you want to pin the blame on someone for Blues demise, look no further than Tom Ross.

He is as clueless as Bruce. His persistant brown-nosing to boost loyalty from local clubs to BRMB/Capital Gold is enough to make the strongest stomach throw up with excessive force.

He convinced himself and then pummelled 'negative' fans by telling them how Blues were going to escape the drop at the expense of high-flying Portsmouth. We didn't. Now he wants us all to be jumping for joy because we are 2nd in the table.

Ross knows nothing about football and shouldn't be ALLOWED to front our media representation as his coverage is biased.

He claims to not call for the head of managers but couldn't wait to stick the knife in when Glenn Hoddle, Sven-Goran Eriksson and David O'Leary failed. 

Kenny Cunningham is right - Blues are like a stiff corpse. Sunderland may be below us in the table but the buzz around the place shows they can only go up from where they are. Near on 40,000 yesterday, 18,000 at St Andrews. Says a lot for our manager and our club as a whole.

The club needs a shake up. We need a new manager with a fresh approach, a board willing to back the manager with funds and unbiased media coverage - one which we can voice our opinions without being shouted down or belittled.

The revolution starts here.

Yeah it's Tom Ross' fault.


It just gets funnier with each passing week as more and more people come up with more obscure reasons as to why we are so rubbish.


You sound like a man who has a chip on his shoulder because Tom Ross has a proper job working as a radio dj and you only worked for hospital radio.
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So if we get promoted - it's all due to Tom.

What a dumb theory.
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Oct 2 2006, 07:29 AM
You sound like a man who has a chip on his shoulder because Tom Ross has a proper job working as a radio dj and you only worked for hospital radio.

Careful Blues, the bold italics will be out soon?

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Oct 2 2006, 10:25 AM
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Oct 2 2006, 07:29 AM
You sound like a man who has a chip on his shoulder because Tom Ross has a proper job working as a radio dj and you only worked for hospital radio.

Careful Blues, the bold italics will be out soon?

Mornin' vicar

Naah, they're strictly for the resignations threads.
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Oct 2 2006, 08:33 AM
So if we get promoted - it's all due to Tom.

What a dumb theory.

thank you, thank god some one said it!

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Oct 2 2006, 08:33 AM
So if we get promoted - it's all due to Tom.

What a dumb theory.

Almost as dumb as the theory that Bruce is a good manager. :rolleyes:

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Did he play Larsson at right-wing, when it's obvious he's not a winger?


But he is a winger. He's been a winger ever since Arsenal signed him five years ago.

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Did he select an obviously inept Sadler at left-back?


As opposed to picking who there exactly? Julian Gray who gets heckled before he's even looked at the ball?

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Did he persist in playing a centre-back known to his friends as "bomb-scare"?


As opposed to picking who exactly? One of the injured centre halves or the suspended one?

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Did he fail to keep the players playing at a sufficiently high tempo until it was too late?


They were creating chances throughout and were caught with a sucker punch following two incorrect decisions by the referee.
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Larrson is a utility midfielder. He can play anywhere across the middle. IMHO, his talents would not best serve us as a winger.

As for the choice of Sadler, SB had a chance to fully address our options at left-back in the summer. He chose to begin the season with Sadler, Painter and Gray as our left-back options. We have an excess of central midfielders and not one decent left-back.

Do you honestly rate Tebily? I would much rather SB give Oji a chance at this level rather than pick Tebily, who has proved time and time again that his first touch and positional discipline are found wanting. To be fair, he's not a bad finisher as the Leeds fans will testify. SB has been left with Tebily as his back-up centre-half after offering him a new deal last year. A decision defying logic.

Why were they caught by a sucker punch? What does it tell you about levels of concentration, even after shipping 3 goals at Leeds? Did the high-tempo extend to our strikers? Why is DJC incapable of making half-decent runs whilst Bendntner is busy dribbling past half the oppos defence? Why did we drop off and assume we had won the game?

Why have we failed to keep one clean sheet in the league at home?

Why do our players always seem to bottle the tough games e.g Leeds, Cardiff?

Hhhmmm.... let me think...
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We quite clearly didn't drop off. We were attacking throughout the second half, as illustrated by the decisions to change both strikers and vary the attacking options. Yes, Bender would've stayed on had he not been hacked all over the pitch without any protection from the officials, but we always kept our attacking shape, and clearly didn't sit back. The fact that Leicester barely troubled Taylor all match is clear enough illustration that the side didn't go into their shells at 1-0 up.

Seb Larsson throughout his time at Arsenal has always played on the wing, save for the few matches he played at full-back when the Arsenal defence was in an injury crisis. He CAN play infield, but the wing is where he is at his best, and has been at his best for us this season.

Tebily is fifth choice centre back. Show me a team in this country that has five good quality centre backs. There aren't any. He was in the team because of injuries and idiocy on the part of N'Gotty. Do you expect the board to be able to go out and find a good quality player to sit around for 90% of the season as fifth choice just because they might, in a crisis, get a couple of matches? I'd seriously question the motivation of a player who'd be happy to come into the club and do that. I can't comment on Oji as I've seen very little of him, but with the atmosphere around the ground as it is at the moment, is it any wonder Bruce doesn't want to throw any youngsters to the wolves?
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We obviously have different recollections of the tempo at which we played. Were you ever convinced that we were going to score a second goal?

I take your point about not seeing enough of Oji.

What about our strength in depth at left-back? Happy with the options of Gray, Dadler and Painter?

As regards Tebs, I make him third/fourth choice with Jaidi and N'Gotty and Taylor. There is no guarantee that Upson will either resume his former level of form or want to stay with us after Xmas. He's not cup-tied in terms of European football and the prospect of playing Hull may not be enough to sway him to sign an extension methinks!
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