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Since Goal Scoring Is The Problem; is 4-3-3 the answer?
Topic Started: Oct 1 2006, 10:14 PM (198 Views)
The Concerned Potato Head
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Big Bawss
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come mid-October i would like to see this

.....................Taylor

Johnson....Jaidi........Upson.......Sadler


.......................Nafti
.........Dunn...................Larsson



....Bendtner............McSheffrey
.....................DJC

lemme elaborate

firstly, i believe in the transfer window, we need defenders who can also attack, we don't have that at all. we don't have an Gary Neville or an Eboue (what a signing he is btw) who can bomb on past the midfielders and provide a cross. our defence is VERY one dimensional.

secondly the reapparance of Upson is VITAL, he's without doubt our best defender here. we've been so sloppy in defence that we need him back ASAP

Johnson i've put as RB because i doubt Kelly's defesive abilities. he reminds me of Melchiot in that he looks better going forward

the Dunn-Bendtner partnership down the right work well IMO because Bendtner can run with the ball and take people on (that's why i've put DJC as the main finisher in the centre and not Bendy) and him and Dunn both have the ability to create things down the right. i'd actually consider giving Dunn a free-er role as he likes to drift inside with Nafti covering.

Larsson is not much of an attacking force, but he'd do well to help out the weak link IMO in Sadler who often gets doubled up upon in all fairness. McSheffrey can work the left side on his own he's that good IMO.

DJC is for me the main poacher who has the pace to beat an offisde trap and get himself into a one-on-one position

ideally Mikael and CJ would be in this equation but for me Bendy and DJC look like the only strikers to come up with the goods so far this season. for me, Danns without being put in an attacking role is wasted. lets be honest he may be a good tackler but we signed him for his goals record.

3 in midfield, you might say, aww we'll conceed bag loads of goals, but we do that with 4 in midfield, if the defence is going to be consistantly rubbish, we might aswell go for a "score one and we'll score one more attitude"


agreements, disagreements, immature comments? :ph43r:
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franscar
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4-3-3 works with a brick shithouse of a striker (Drogba) or one so smart they can always be one step ahead of the defenders (AJ).

DJC would be like a lost child playing up top on his lonesome. Jerome maybe could do it, because of his extra physical presence, but the 4-3-3 is just a glorified 4-5-1, always has been.
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I was saying yesterday that I think we're too easily overrun in midfield with Dun in the middle as a pair. He wants to go forwards and isn't the best player when we need to dig in. We invite pressure onto our defence with Dunn in the middle.

Yesterday, for me, we had one of our best central midfield performances as we were solid and Lecester didn't really have anything through the middle all game.

IMO Dunn is best played in a free role where he has the license to roam forwards safe in the knowledge he has players behind him to clean up if necessary.

Whether that allows for 4-3-3 or not I don't know. but Dunn in the hole behind the front 2 does it for me. Sort of a 4-3-1-2 (ish).

Or even start him on the wing in a 4-4-2 an let him go where he wants to. that way we'll still have or shape when we need it.

Glad I'm not the manager.
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Tactix
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And if Dunn...'goes where he wants', what type of protection is offered to the fullback, given all his freedom?

...The problem is, square pegs for round holes. If Dunn is to play, we either foster a diamond approach in the midfield, or ditch the 4-4-2. Playing David in the centre of the park, in a flat 4 is pointless, as we concede too much defensive territory, and playing him on the wing is pointless, as we offer the opposition to much space down the flank.

...My pickle with Bruce has been his inability to recognise that our calling lies beyond the 4-4-2, assuming his intention is to have our strongest available line-up on the pitch! The system at present swings between 2 extremes, its either too attacking or ultra-defensive, the balance that we so desperately desire lies beyond the capabilities of the 4-4-2. Perhaps a 4-5-1 may bring us closer to the promised land, but one cannot disconsider the candidacy of the 3-5-2, 3-4-1-2, or other tactical motifs.

...Our strength is in midfield, and i adherentlty believe that if we can achieve numerical advantage in the centre of the park, given the quality of the players we have (from a championship perspective), we will be able to press home our presumed superiority. The other week Arsenal, in recognition of their comparative advanatge over Man Utd, employed a congested midfield, the fruition of which was a comfortable victory at what had up till then been Fortress Old Trafford.

...Now thats not to draw parallels between us and Arsenal, as one would find more similarities between 50 Cent and Elton John, but rather to highlight the benefit of playing to your strengths. Which is exactly what we are not doing.

...The system needs to change. Problem is, we have a manager as adherent to orthodoxy as a newborn to its mother's bossom. Playing 4-4-2 renders Bruce free of any responsibility from a tactical perspective. The players know the system in and out, they know what their roles are in the system, regardless of how poorly they perform their duties. Were Bruce to change the system, then he'd be voluntarily strolling up to the chopping board and resting his head beneath the guilotine!
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Steve
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Defenders who can also attack? Jaidi has a very good scoring record for a defender both at club and international level. N'gotty has scored for us once already.
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The Concerned Potato Head
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Brummiesteven
Oct 2 2006, 05:39 PM
Defenders who can also attack? Jaidi has a very good scoring record for a defender both at club and international level. N'gotty has scored for us once already.

that's because they're good at set-pieces, not because they're good at attacking from open play
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Steve
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The Concerned Potato Head
Oct 2 2006, 05:44 PM
Brummiesteven
Oct 2 2006, 05:39 PM
Defenders who can also attack? Jaidi has a very good scoring record for a defender both at club and international level. N'gotty has scored for us once already.

that's because they're good at set-pieces, not because they're good at attacking from open play

Well that shut me up :lol:
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The Concerned Potato Head
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lol...
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SimonBCFC
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i'd take 4-3-3, worth a try and I reckon it would work nicely with the players we have
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pa132435no2
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We don't have an Eboue, and we never will have one.

Look at Zokora for Spurs, he wasn't nowhere near the best player for the IVC in the world cup, Artur Boka was, he's now in the French version of the Championship, and we've not even made a move.

Spartak Moscow have a player who's just broke into the Argentina international team, Rodriguez. We'd never move for him either. It's always a load of Poo from someone's second team.
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I dont think a 4-3-3 will help us at the moment.

We dont really have a problem scoring goals - not compared to last season anyway. The problem on saturday was that we settled for a 1-0 win instead of pushing on and securing the victory.

We need to ensure that we are killing off teams and sitting back when we are 2-3 goals up.
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4-3-3 will leave us even more exposed defensively.... presumably Dunn would be one of the midfield 3? This is my point.
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