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Who Is It?; Bruce or the players
Topic Started: Oct 2 2006, 08:59 AM (374 Views)
Jimbo
Peter Enckelman
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i have been saying for a while now that bruce should go, but realistic who would replce him? Curbishley would not come here and i don't rate him that highly.

Bruce will stay as he will not walk and the board will not sack him until at least after xmas.

i know bruce chose the players and paid, what i think were high prices, but surely they are just not good enough. there is not one player that i would be disappointed to see the back of. now that is saying something, as every team has their star player, we just don't have one. they are all championship players that would only get a team into the top 10 but not push to be champions or even top 5 imo.
these players have to take 50% of the responsibility. surely bruce does not tell them to sit back and defend when we have a corner.

So name one manager that is likely to come here that would benifit the team and be better than what we have?

i can't think of one!!!
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Left handed screwdriver
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curbs, what i dont understand is why some thiing he would'nt come to us?

if he was at carrow road over the week end and he is in line with the now vacant job there , then why would'nt he come to us ?

anyway there are loads of managers at other clubs and our board will pinch another clubs manager.

but i want curbs he is far way a better manager than SB his rcord proves it.
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djmmusic
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Unless Carrow Road is in New Zealand, I very much doubt he was there.
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Left handed screwdriver
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djmmusic
Oct 2 2006, 09:06 AM
Unless Carrow Road is in New Zealand, I very much doubt he was there.

the gardian says he was.
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TJDIXI
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i think your way off with the stuf about star players and all championship level. It does make me wonder if you've seen some of them play this season or not?

As far as the manager goes, it's suprising the people that might be intrested in the job IMO. I think only time will tell with relation to the quality of manager employed.
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Jimbo
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Oct 2 2006, 09:08 AM
i think your way off with the stuf about star players and all championship level. It does make me wonder if you've seen some of them play this season or not?


i am a season ticket holder and do go to away game aswell.

there is not many players i would want to take to the premiership, if you think otherwise who?

there would be no premiership managers interested in bcfc and championship managers i would not want.
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gandalf12
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Are you for real have you been to st'ans this season were 2nd from top still have not played that well.Yet where are all these other championship stars that are better than our lot and what team has them. :unsure:
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Jimbo
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i did not say other championship stars. i am saying none would make it in the premiership now. so if we get back there we will need 15 middle of the road premiership players to stay up.

the players we have are just not good enough to win this league. it is only that other teams are poor at the moment that we are hanging in 2nd place, wait till the other teams start to have a roll. which i don't think we are capable of doing, and it's proven since savage and bowen went.

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gandalf12
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But its the same with all teams in the league hardly any would be suited for the prem thats why you end up buying prem has beens. Take Reading great in this league last season. doing well in the prem lets see next season when every team has the measure of them. the other two were not so good look where they are. And did we not do the same in our first season i think we did well lasting as long as we did.
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TJDIXI
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Jimbo
Oct 2 2006, 10:17 AM
there is not many players i would want to take to the premiership, if you think otherwise who?

Taylor - Still a very good keeper
Jaidi - A very good centre back and the backbone of the Bolton side in the prem
Nafti - A fantastic player and would be so in many prem teams
Dunn - A quality player with the skill and talent to be good enough still in the prem
McSheff - If you can't see that this guy is quality then i really think you should look at the pitch and not the turnstyles, all indicators point towards him being good in the prem
Kilkenny - proven that he can play at the level but i do agree he needs to show more
Jerome - potential that he could be good for us and will make it up top if given the run he needs.

If i had the time i could go through every member of the squad and pull out the qualities that you believe we lack, alas i have meaningful work to do.

I'm not sure what type of players you think we should have for back in the prem but it's only a few teams up there that have truly world class players and only a few more that can boast with outstanding players in every position.

We went up last time with Devlin, Kenna, Woodhouse and managed to stay up in a convincing fashion.

I really am struggling to see your point of view on this one!
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Lucky
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the players should always take some blame,
some of the mistakes i see this season have absolutely nothing to do with the manager,they are making rank bad basic mistakes on the pitch ,how can that be down to the manager,
if you are a pro footballer surely you should know where to stand for corners, free kicks and for basic defending,
don't tell me Brucie tells them to make those mistakes,now i can understand mistakes we all make them but the key is to correct them and improve.at present we are making the same mistakes every game.
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Players or the gaffer????

last season there was a certain team across the road who were also very close to fighting relegation. with them same players this seaon (i hate to say) they are quite strong. The new manager has changed them!
The manager is to blame regardless of how the players attitudes are, regardless of how the fans cheer them on. If the player is not good enough they shouldnt have be signed, if they are not on form they should be dropped, if they have there head up there arz they should be motivated.
The the gaffers job to have it all running.
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mr penguin
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The argument that we should keep Steve Bruce because we can't think of anyone else is a complete non-starter, imo.

For a start it is the most dismal reason for sticking with anyone.

More to the point, there are bound to be good managers out there who we don't know much about. Which of us knows every manager in the lower leagues, every assistant in the premiership, every european coach ... ? I hadn't heard of Arsene Wenger until he came to Arsenal; I didn't know much about David Moyes, Paul Jewell, Aidey Boothroyd, Sam Alladyce or Alan Pardew until teams at our level gave them a chance; Chris Coleman, Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce and Mark Hughes are managing Premiership clubs without having a track record in club management...

I simply refuse to believe that there is nobody out there who can do a better job than Steve Bruce.
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brightonbluenose
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Jimbo
Oct 2 2006, 09:29 AM
i did not say other championship stars. i am saying none would make it in the premiership now. so if we get back there we will need 15 middle of the road premiership players to stay up.

the players we have are just not good enough to win this league. it is only that other teams are poor at the moment that we are hanging in 2nd place, wait till the other teams start to have a roll. which i don't think we are capable of doing, and it's proven since savage and bowen went.

your a glass half empty person arnt you.
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whoareya
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mr penguin
Oct 2 2006, 10:11 AM
The argument that we should keep Steve Bruce because we can't think of anyone else is a complete non-starter, imo.

For a start it is the most dismal reason for sticking with anyone.

More to the point, there are bound to be good managers out there who we don't know much about. Which of us knows every manager in the lower leagues, every assistant in the premiership, every european coach ... ? I hadn't heard of Arsene Wenger until he came to Arsenal; I didn't know much about David Moyes, Paul Jewell, Aidey Boothroyd, Sam Alladyce or Alan Pardew until teams at our level gave them a chance; Chris Coleman, Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce and Mark Hughes are managing Premiership clubs without having a track record in club management...

I simply refuse to believe that there is nobody out there who can do a better job than Steve Bruce.

**thumbup :applause:
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bornblues64
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The manager buys the players, they play under his instructions, his tactics, his motivation, now if all those things are going great there shouldnt be a problem, but those things have been a problem now for 2 and a half years so yes of course players have to shoulder blame for poor performances etc BUT ultimately its the manager who has to shoulder the majority, Thats why they get paid loads, they are in a position of authority and command,

Just a good job his job is not performance related or else the word UB40 springs to mind
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blueboy til i die
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whoareya
Oct 2 2006, 09:59 AM
Players or the gaffer????

last season there was a certain team across the road who were also very close to fighting relegation. with them same players this seaon (i hate to say) they are quite strong. The new manager has changed them!
The manager is to blame regardless of how the players attitudes are, regardless of how the fans cheer them on. If the player is not good enough they shouldnt have be signed, if they are not on form they should be dropped, if they have there head up there arz they should be motivated.
The the gaffers job to have it all running.

:blahblah: This is the point , the manager is everything, O'niel is class and is showing it again!!!! Look at Dave Jones at Cardiff??

SB is an average manager and is proving it, however we can not put all our eggs in AC's basket, if we sack SB and don't get curbs , what then????? I think the boggies are finding that out!!!!!

The point at the moment is we still think we are a prem club and we only have to turn up to win, well Leicester have half our class but twice our commitment and theydeserved their point, SB could not get the best out of prem 'stars' last year and at the moment is not getting the best out of the best squad in the championship.

Question is SB is doing Ok at the moment, but is not the man for the prem, so do we cut our losses now???? I think there is a big decision for the board at Christmas, when I predict we WILL be top 6 but not top 2, is that good enough???

Who will come in ??? I think Blues are an excellent prospect for any manager apart from the TOP 10 prem clubs, not many managers get the support our board give in the transfer market, and this could be the prizefor AC, he would get more money here than he did at Charlton and than he would at all but about 6 other prem clubs, that is a fact and a big hook for any manager.

Players who can play in the prem???

Taylor - 1 more season
Kelly and Sadler IF they are allowed to develop
Upson - remember him
Nafti - proven international
Dunn - If fit England class
McSheffrey - with more support
CJ - IF SB plays him and allows himto develop
Killkenney- ????????



:banghead: :drink: :banghead: :drink:
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Tactix
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How patriotism can blind the masses!

...This is the same side that was clearly out of its depths last season, that you guys are now attributing the accolade, 'premiership quality' to! David Dunn, was "England Class" once upon a time, but niggling knees and overstrecthed hamstrings have seen off that avenue. No, Kilkenny has not established himself as a premiership talent. I dont doubt the lads ability, but in terms of whats been achieved at the highest standard thus far, how one can conclude that he falls within the criteria for premiership class bemuses me. Then theres Jaidi, impressive in his first season, regressing in his second, he was sold by Bolton because he was expendible. In the eyes of Allardyce he wasnt good enough anymore, and i dont doubt that assessment.

...Cameron Jerome, is a championship player till proven otherwise, the same must be said of McSheffrey. You cant catipult boys to the stars because you 'think' it sounds right. Few players manage to make the step up from the lesser to the major league, and to assume its as easy as typing 'he's class' on a forum, is to turn a blind eye to the Nathan Blake's, Robbie Blake's, Ashley Ward's and Andy Reid's of this world, who took the championship by storm, but couldnt even kick up a storm in a premiership tea cup!
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Row15Blue
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Bruce to blame !!!!!!!!!!! if not Curbs would Sourness be worth a shout. Would certenly kick some @r$e. Be entertaining at least.
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Blue16
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bruce i dont think he motivates them enough
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valleyblue
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whoareya
Oct 2 2006, 11:15 AM
mr penguin
Oct 2 2006, 10:11 AM
The argument that we should keep Steve Bruce because we can't think of anyone else is a complete non-starter, imo.

For a start it is the most dismal reason for sticking with anyone.

More to the point, there are bound to be good managers out there who we don't know much about. Which of us knows every manager in the lower leagues, every assistant in the premiership, every european coach ... ? I hadn't heard of Arsene Wenger until he came to Arsenal; I didn't know much about David Moyes, Paul Jewell, Aidey Boothroyd, Sam Alladyce or Alan Pardew until teams at our level gave them a chance; Chris Coleman, Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce and Mark Hughes are managing Premiership clubs without having a track record in club management...

I simply refuse to believe that there is nobody out there who can do a better job than Steve Bruce.

**thumbup :applause:

Mr P - That's perfect, as I keep saying neither board, the fans nor anyone else can have a clue as to who might apply for job of BCFC manager. **thumbup :applause:
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belbluenose
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I'll hope I'm wrong but last year at Loftus road for Gallan's testimonial I predicted that we would go down. (everybody lauft at me)

When an manager says that he hated friendlys after such an owfull display .... it sauys enough.

And now, saturday I couldnt believe it, only 18.000 to come up for an derby against the foxes and no passionate support ... it says also enough.

If he stays, I think we will be 10th at christmas.

I've nothing against SB but there are some facts in Football who'll never chance ...
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bornblues64
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Tactix
Oct 2 2006, 04:29 PM
How patriotism can blind the masses!

...This is the same side that was clearly out of its depths last season, that you guys are now attributing the accolade, 'premiership quality' to! David Dunn, was "England Class" once upon a time, but niggling knees and overstrecthed hamstrings have seen off that avenue. No, Kilkenny has not established himself as a premiership talent. I dont doubt the lads ability, but in terms of whats been achieved at the highest standard thus far, how one can conclude that he falls within the criteria for premiership class bemuses me. Then theres Jaidi, impressive in his first season, regressing in his second, he was sold by Bolton because he was expendible. In the eyes of Allardyce he wasnt good enough anymore, and i dont doubt that assessment.

...Cameron Jerome, is a championship player till proven otherwise, the same must be said of McSheffrey. You cant catipult boys to the stars because you 'think' it sounds right. Few players manage to make the step up from the lesser to the major league, and to assume its as easy as typing 'he's class' on a forum, is to turn a blind eye to the Nathan Blake's, Robbie Blake's, Ashley Ward's and Andy Reid's of this world, who took the championship by storm, but couldnt even kick up a storm in a premiership tea cup!

Brilliant post **thumbup
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Tactix
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bornblues64
Oct 3 2006, 08:52 AM
Tactix
Oct 2 2006, 04:29 PM
How patriotism can blind the masses!

...This is the same side that was clearly out of its depths last season, that you guys are now attributing the accolade, 'premiership quality' to! David Dunn, was "England Class" once upon a time, but niggling knees and overstrecthed hamstrings have seen off that avenue. No, Kilkenny has not established himself as a premiership talent. I dont doubt the lads ability, but in terms of whats been achieved at the highest standard thus far, how one can conclude that he falls within the criteria for premiership class bemuses me. Then theres Jaidi, impressive in his first season, regressing in his second, he was sold by Bolton because he was expendible. In the eyes of Allardyce he wasnt good enough anymore, and i dont doubt that assessment.

...Cameron Jerome, is a championship player till proven otherwise, the same must be said of McSheffrey. You cant catipult boys to the stars because you 'think' it sounds right. Few players manage to make the step up from the lesser to the major league, and to assume its as easy as typing 'he's class' on a forum, is to turn a blind eye to the Nathan Blake's, Robbie Blake's, Ashley Ward's and Andy Reid's of this world, who took the championship by storm, but couldnt even kick up a storm in a premiership tea cup!

Brilliant post **thumbup

:whistle:

Cheers. Its just commonsense, and in the heat of the moment, that seems to be the first thing that evaporates off our mullets, when on this forum!
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nick_p
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Just a thought - no one seems keen on praising anyone but Bruce for getting us promoted in 2002, yet he wasn't on the pitch that day in Cardiff (I don't recall him taking any penalties either, and wasn't it Tommy Mooney who made sure we practiced them in the run up to the game?).

That's by the way. The fact is, if he is going to take the plaudits when things go well then he should take the flak when things go wrong. Whether or not he's making the mistakes on the pitch or burying the penalties, at the end of the day it's his overall responsibility.
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