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We Built This City
Topic Started: Oct 2 2006, 11:41 PM (1,071 Views)
Letsby Avenue
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Paul Tait
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The fans built this City.
I'll say my own story. From when Fry went, but more importantly when Francis went.
You get surrounded on the stairs in the bars by an influx of better dressed bluenoses, who rattle on about how long they've followed blues, and how Francis was rubbish and on and on. So you keep your mouth shut, because you are a Francis believer. Then we get promoted, because all a sudden we have money to get in higher level players. So - You keep your mouth shut.

In our first year up - a desperate plunge by the board in the January window, we stave of relegation - but from that first year onwards its going nowhere.
It's hanging on but not in desperation, just hanging on. We are consolidating and moving up a level.They tell us. More money to pacify the manager.

But we aren't. So you find your voice. And you think.......hang on a minute, if Francis had this amount of "forward spend", we'd have been up years ago.

Steve Bruce has had it easy.

He's been sold to the board by Karen and he is fireproof as a result.
And the guy has contempt for the fans that disagree with him and goes sick when he knows theres hard questions to be asked. On live TV.

Francis went through a 75 minute, live ,TV press conference when he was sacked.

Bruce gets flu prior to a potentially difficult, 2 minute tunnel interview.

Man of Integrity v Straw man

Curbishley would be nuts to come here.

Our board can keep our club swanning around on reducing gates, and struggling to get promoted- or they can bite the bullet and be as radical and progressive as they were when TF went.

We are all so "bloody grateful" for our board, we forgive them anything because they "saved us".

But they are visitors to Brum. They motor up, or fly up to visit their investment.
Our board have done nothing for Birmingham, our City, they are not synonomous with Birmingham beyond the football club. Does our club support or sponsor a local charity?

What do they do for Breast/Testicular cancer charities? Oxfam ?

They have lapdancing in the Gold Suite. Because that is a way of squeezing out a couple of thousand pounds mid-week.

I'm a bloke, and unless I'm stone deaf - every guy that sits near me or I speak to in the TF or wherever, is embarrassed about the lapdancing obsession the Golds and Sullivan have. Nobby Styles is sold out for a sports evening. Why do we need lapdancing and strip-tease?

And Birmingham City Ladies Football Club - stopped from using the two globes logo. Why? Un-supported by the professional club whose name they share. They have re-structured. Getting support from local business (And National chains like John Lewis) - and our board whinge on about lack of local business interest.
By the way, the Ladies team have reached out further into the community and have teams going down to under 10's, to provide for their future.
TF faught for the re-instatement of the Academy after Fry and Brady closed it down. Steve Bruce sells off that product.

We are not a mis-managed club.

We are a very well-managed club.

But the board's interests imo, are not the same as the blues' fans interests at the end of the day.
They have certainly no interest in the local culture, problems or aspirations of Birmingham people.

And it is aspiration that both David's seek. Acceptance.

Coming from dubious business backgrounds, they both want to be in the Royal Box at Wembley as a sign of Social acceptance. They have little chance of making it with lapdancing or with Steve.

So they will drain every last penny from blues fans, and run down the operation to increase the yield.

When what they could do, is become brummies. Believe in the fans and believe in our dreams. They've got the clout, do they have the courage?

They came in telling us what was good for us, 13 years later they are still telling us they know best.

Try listening fellas.

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blusabre
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A well structured, well delivered and well thought out arguement. Refreshing to hear on this board I must admit.

However I do disagree I think the David Sullivan and the Gold Brothers have done a great job since they have been here. As you say so yourself the club is now very well run. For one I am grateful for that. They also have invested serious amounts of their own cash into the club. As this money that has come out of their own pockets isnt as substantial a percentage compared to their personal wealth people seem to think they are not serious about the club. I mereley see that as being prudent.

To suggest the club has done nothing for the community and for the city of Birmingham I would like to point out how hard the board of directors pushed for the City of Birmingham stadium that would have rejuvenated the surrounding area and created thousands of jobs.

What ever your oppinnion on David Sullivan and the Gold brothers I really dont think that you can criticise them for a lack of ambition as some people do. I understand people having a problem with how our owners made their fortune and also understand that people have problems with the fact that they are not brummies but I really don think you can accuse them of caring about the club. Who elso is out there that could do a better job than them? I dont think there is anyone.

I dont know where im going with this other than im totally 100% behind the owners of this club. The management side of things is open to debate :P
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Yes,it was an excellent post
But I also share the view that the current board have done an awful lot for BCFC as well as pumping a lot of their hard earned money into the club....How Mr Sullivan earned his was his perogative and he certainly did make his fortune in any illegal way so fair play to him

But the stadium project was a boost for Blues fans and they deserve credit for that.....it was the pure hypocrisy and ignorance of the city's politicians that blocked the venture

My only current criticism of Mr Gold and Mr Sullivan is their outrageously blind faith and loyalty into this 1st team manager we currently have in charge who has single handedly turned our great club into a laughing stock and taken it backwards in a little under 2 years

No other PL club would have tolerated Bruce's failures both on and off the field

I just wished they would see some logic and reason,bite the bullet,dig into the coffers again (both for Bruce's golden handshake and new players in January) and appoint Alan Curbishley as the next BCFC manager

With that single gesture they would actually IMHO win back thousands of friends

KRO
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Lucky
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yet another thread on the same subject.
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proccy_blues
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with respect tugster, i think this needs a little more scrutiny than to merely dismiss it as another "anti club" rant - it's not that at all imo, more of an eye-opener into the thoughts and feelings of a fellow (educated!) bluenose.
on first reading it there are several issues i wanted to argue with, but on reflection and more consideration i tend to agree with all the major points - the bottom line is, when wil they show us the way forward instead of telling us we're heading that way now?
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Oct 3 2006, 06:21 AM
with respect tugster, i think this needs a little more scrutiny than to merely dismiss it as another "anti club" rant - it's not that at all imo, more of an eye-opener into the thoughts and feelings of a fellow (educated!) bluenose.
on first reading it there are several issues i wanted to argue with, but on reflection and more consideration i tend to agree with all the major points - the bottom line is, when wil they show us the way forward instead of telling us we're heading that way now?
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Good post proccy, i totally agree with the show us not tell us part.
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Who did Bruce buy that Francis couldnt afford ?
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bluenose54
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Du Du what do you mean .. TF was NOT given the kind of money to buy the players that SB has bought ... in reflection why was TF sack becaus ehe done a far better job than SB has ever done .. & dont say SB got us promoted that was down to TF (TF will always been in a lot of Bluenose's hearts after watching him in his playing days).
In the present day SB will go down as one of th worst managers BCFC has ever had.
BRUCE OUT NOW !!!!!!
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Wisel
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But Francis did not manage in the Prem, The amounts spent in the Championship are very similar. Fry, Francis and Bruce have been backed well by the board,

That's the trouble with some Blues fans they have to haver a go at something or someone in the club. It's like an addiction. It seems a regualr dose of negativity is all that keeps some people happy????

I look with interest for these posters to post anything that is supportive or positive about anything, and there's teh rub. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, as long as they are having a go at the club in some way.
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Oct 3 2006, 05:03 AM
But I also share the view that the current board have done an awful lot for BCFC as well as pumping a lot of their hard earned money into the club

They have not pumped a lot of their money into Blues. Over 13 years the amounts invested into Blues (or loaned) amount to less than 3% of their personal wealth. Peanuts.

The lack of ambition is the most puzzling thing. I have never really understood why anyone so rich would want to get involved with a medium-sized, unfashionable football club unless they wanted to create something special, yet they seem to be willing to accept mediocrity.

On the field we are in the same division that we were in when they arrived. Our 4 years (out of 13) in the top flight is less than we have achieved historically (look at practically any 13 year period in our history & you will see a greater % of time spent in the top flight). No cups won, no European qualifications, overtaken by the likes of Charlton, Wigan, Bolton & Fulham. A poor return for 13 years of being owned by guys worth the best part of £1000m imo.

Off the field they have missed opportunities to make Blues into something special (neglect of the ladies team being just one example) and over the years have priced many of our loyal fans out of the game replacing them with a more fickle "entertain me" breed of fan.

Overall, a good initial 3 or 4 years followed by 9 or 10 years where they have lacked vision, ambition, achievement or inspiration. Any other board would have been sacked by now.

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bluenose54
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Look Wisel no body is having a go at BCFC ... we are having a go a SB. He is the worst manager at the Blues (who has been given the biggest amount of money to spend) that we have ever had. If TF had been given that kind of money then ... well we will never know.
An other point you say TF never manager in the Prem .. so lets get him back get promotived then we will see & I bet he does a better job than SB.
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Letsby - fantastic post.

As Proccy has said there are a few points that on first reading i though 'hang on a minute' but the more of the post i read the more i found myself sagely nodding my head and agreeing with you.

On another point - dont ask me why but i thought you were female!
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bluenose54
Oct 3 2006, 07:41 AM
Du Du what do you mean .. TF was NOT given the kind of money to buy the players that SB has bought ... in reflection why was TF sack becaus ehe done a far better job than SB has ever done .. & dont say SB got us promoted that was down to TF (TF will always been in a lot of Bluenose's hearts after watching him in his playing days).
In the present day SB will go down as one of th worst managers BCFC has ever had.
BRUCE OUT NOW !!!!!!

Its a simple question BN54. Who did Bruce buy that Francis couldn't afford ? Francis had plenty of time to take us there yet he failed each time. He will always be highly regarded at Blues and rightly so, but please don't make him out to be a managerial genius. He wasn't, he isn't and probably never will be. SB IS the most succesful Blues manager in recent history, he earned the money he spent by getting us into the premiership and therefore earning the TV money. I can understand that people want him sacked now, and whilst I disagree, I can sympathise. But I don't buy this idea that it was Francis that did it. By the same token if someone comes in now and gets us promoted, will that be down to Brucie ?
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Oct 3 2006, 12:41 AM
Our board have done nothing for Birmingham, our City, they are not synonomous with Birmingham beyond the football club. Does our club support or sponsor a local charity?

What do they do for Breast/Testicular cancer charities? Oxfam ?

I'm not in agreement with a majority of the post because.......

1) Francis was given money that represented the challenge ahead of him - Promotion

2) SB was given money to maintain our status and because the extra revenue would allow the club to spend

3) Just because a person doesn't sing about the charaties that he/she gives to does it mean there not? If they did sing and shout about would they be accused of doing it for the publicity

4) With the stadium bid was attached a hefty amount of community development. Would you want to chuck endless amounts of money into a city that seems to not favour or support you in anyway? Would you be concerned that any support for community projects through the council would actualy reach the intended targets?

I cant argue about the SB Bottling interview stuff

However consider how much the original post sonds like.....

What have the romans ever done for us...................

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Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Xerxes: Brought peace!

Reg: (very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!
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excelent post letsby. **thumbup

i have wondered what they wanted to do with the club over the last few years.

pritty much somes up what i think.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:54 AM
... we are having a go a SB. He is the worst manager at the Blues

and another....and what a surpirse on a thread that has diddly squat to do with the manager....YAWNNNN!
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In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.
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nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 08:48 AM
In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.

top post . **thumbup

could you imagin what would of hapened if TF had been given just 5 mill for one season?

:D
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Oct 3 2006, 09:54 AM
nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 08:48 AM
In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.

top post . **thumbup

could you imagin what would of hapened if TF had been given just 5 mill for one season?

:D

possibly the same as francis because it was a diffrent financial time and the clubs expectations were on trying to gain promotion and not we must gain promotion. I think it's silly to try and compare the twos records when both were in differnt situations.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:48 AM
In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.

Stats mean jack. He did it in the first division, you don't need to be too clever to work that out.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:54 AM
could you imagin what would of hapened if TF had been given just 5 mill for one season?

:D

Yes, he'd have bough Ade Akinibyi.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:56 AM
Left handed screwdriver
Oct 3 2006, 09:54 AM
nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 08:48 AM
In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.

top post . **thumbup

could you imagin what would of hapened if TF had been given just 5 mill for one season?

:D

possibly the same as francis because it was a diffrent financial time and the clubs expectations were on trying to gain promotion and not we must gain promotion. I think it's silly to try and compare the twos records when both were in differnt situations.

ok then look at it this way.

TF was told that they exspected promotion and nothing else and was told he had to sell to buy, he obviously cant do it under those conditions and is sacked.

SB comes in and is given mony and aload to loan players resulting in 6/7 extra bodies.

now if TF was given that at the biging of the season we would have gone up that season under TF and we would have done a better job under him.

the board shoul have backed TF better from the off especialy after the previous season.IMO
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If TF had been given proper support from the board, wed have got to the premier league in 99, the year we got beat by Watford. Who knows where we could be now, but wed be in a better position than we are now, and i like Bruce, but TF was our Shankly, his blood runs blue, just like ours!
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Oct 3 2006, 09:08 AM
If TF had been given proper support from the board, wed have got to the premier league in 99, the year we got beat by Watford. Who knows where we could be now, but wed be in a better position than we are now, and i like Bruce, but TF was our Shankly, his blood runs blue, just like ours!

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If yoor auntie had b-----ks shed be more likely to be in a bearded lady type freak show!
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