Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to bcfcforum.co.uk. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
We Built This City
Topic Started: Oct 2 2006, 11:41 PM (1,074 Views)
DuDuDugarry
Member Avatar
Frank Worthington
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 09:17 AM
If yoor auntie had b-----ks shed be more likely to be in a bearded lady type freak show!

She hasn't got a beard, just a big set of knackers !
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
nsingramns
Jose Dominguez
[ *  *  * ]
Perhaps Brucie should sign him/her up, we need some big b----cks in midfield!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tim
Member Avatar
Malcom Page
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I've got to do it....


On Rock and Roll, we Built this city....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

bluenose54
Oct 3 2006, 08:54 AM
Look Wisel no body is having a go at BCFC ... we are having a go a SB. He is the worst manager at the Blues (who has been given the biggest amount of money to spend) that we have ever had. If TF had been given that kind of money then ... well we will never know.
An other point you say TF never manager in the Prem .. so lets get him back get promotived then we will see & I bet he does a better job than SB.

Who are you speaking for here. You said no-one is having a go. Who have you discussed this with so that you can speak on their behalf? Can't they speak for themselves?

Of course people are having a go at BCFC continually. If it isn't SB, it is DJ, if it isn't him it's the board, or is Gronkear, or it's Heskey, or it's Blues lettying Bowen go' or it's a lack of ambition from the board, how long would you like me to go on. I could.........al day. It is a constant stream of atempted BLAME.

Please rememeber TF is not here because he was released after NOT being able to get us into the Premiership, despite the same level of Championship backing that Bruce (& Fry) received from the board.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 09:48 AM
In fact Francis is statistically (in terms of games/points won) our most succesfull manager ever, FACT! He did this with only minimal support from the board, he identified plenty of playetrs that he wanted to bring to the club but was told by the board, 'sorry no money'. I would go as far as to say that he was succesful despite the board, not because of them.

The only time Francis had money withheld was when he was near the end, a normal tactic by club owners.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

nsingramns
Oct 3 2006, 10:08 AM
If TF had been given proper support from the board, wed have got to the premier league in 99, the year we got beat by Watford. Who knows where we could be now, but wed be in a better position than we are now, and i like Bruce, but TF was our Shankly, his blood runs blue, just like ours!

I agree withthe 'blood runs Blue' to a certain extent. But Francis is a mercenary mainly. As for our Shankley, Francis was a very poor man manager, and had difficulty managing himself at times. His outbursts were weakening not strengthening, not moticational. Shame becausae I would have loved the fairy story to have come true, and put my wholehearted support into helping him achieve it, Even though I did not want him appointed in the first place.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
nick_p
Kenny Burns
[ *  *  *  * ]
I would have liked to have seen Fry get another season. At least he and his sides were entertaining (3-1 Ipswich, 3-1 Norwich, 3-1 Grimsby, 2-2 Millwall, 2-2 Leicester from the early part of that season all come to mind), and if Benno hadn't broken his finger when we were sitting pretty in both the league and the Coca Cola Cup semi-finals, who knows what might have happened?*

*Mind you, I still can't fathom why he kept faith with Griemink...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
hootanany
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
No cups won, no European qualifications, overtaken by the likes of Charlton, Wigan, Bolton & Fulham. A poor return for 13 years of being owned by guys worth the best part of £1000m imo.


And they wont slpash out on some top drawer players with that amount of dosh get rid of the Boared get someone that wants Glory not a trinket
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Seasoned Pro
Member Avatar
Bob Hatton
[ *  *  *  * ]
Wisel
Oct 3 2006, 01:01 PM
It is a constant stream of atempted BLAME.


The constant stream of attempted blame has always been at BCFC tho Wisel..... I've been a regular down St Andrews since 83/84 and even when the mood has generally been good amongst the supporters there have always been things to complain and be negative about, i would say thats Football, but really thats life and what makes the world go round.....

If you don't like the blame or negative culture then we might as well close message boards down, because quite often a debate/thread starts when someone wishes to change something, which can easily be construde as negative because they don't conform or are happy with whats going on......

This board reflects IMO the feeling and mirrors the mood amongst supporters at the moment. I would rather see protests about certain issues on here than down at the ground. Negativity is only bad when its constant and has no substance for debate. Most of the negative threads and debates have some very good constructive criticism within IMO.......

In a perfect world we would all be happy, but even right now if this club was still in the top half of the Premiership table, people would be complaining about something......... Then again tho Wisel as i've said to you before, our supporters are no different to the wants, needs and expectations of others......
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The_Bear
Member Avatar
Gil Merrick
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Good post letsby and spot on Mr P, the board have spent very little of their own money. Most of the shares in the club are owned by the sport (ugh!) and other trading arms of the companies owned.

In real terms we fans put more in, percentage term, of our wages than the board do.

I am sick and tired at their constant pathetic money making schemes, "that susbstitution was brought to you by ..." it makes me cringe everytime I hear it. Sockertyes, why! sponsored this sponsored that. Enough already!

I would quite happily go back to the old terraces, paying on the gate and bovril at half time with the old leaky sheds we had than listen to one more sponsored b0llax!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
stevio11
Member Avatar
Alex Govan
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
This started off as a good thread then it started again and whilst I'm not a big fan of brucey at the moment,he is our manager and that is that.We are supposed to be debating the way the club has been run over the last 13 years,not BRUCE IN/OUT.
There have been some good replys to this and a thread that was worth reading for achange .
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
pestcontrol
Unregistered

very good read Letsby except i think they probably do alot for charity most likely doing there bit on the quite... its only politicians that like to advertise what they do for charity... They seem to be extremly charitable with sb.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
gene autry
Member Avatar
Alex Govan
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Good thread.
**thumbup LA

I would like to see more PR from the club about their links with the Community. They do have them, but so does mostly every club these days.

I remember ten or so years ago when DS & KB led a boycott campaign against our local press. I sometimes think we are still being paid back for that.

So I think image and good PR are essential in any venture where you've got high community involvement. When the board speak in future I think we should hear more community and less cashflow. When D Gold was being interviewed outside Wheels Park he actually impressed me with his vision for the area and the people.

We need more of that please.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

Seasoned Pro
Oct 3 2006, 01:44 PM
Wisel
Oct 3 2006, 01:01 PM
It is a constant stream of atempted BLAME.


The constant stream of attempted blame has always been at BCFC tho Wisel..... I've been a regular down St Andrews since 83/84 and even when the mood has generally been good amongst the supporters there have always been things to complain and be negative about, i would say thats Football, but really thats life and what makes the world go round.....

If you don't like the blame or negative culture then we might as well close message boards down, because quite often a debate/thread starts when someone wishes to change something, which can easily be construde as negative because they don't conform or are happy with whats going on......

This board reflects IMO the feeling and mirrors the mood amongst supporters at the moment. I would rather see protests about certain issues on here than down at the ground. Negativity is only bad when its constant and has no substance for debate. Most of the negative threads and debates have some very good constructive criticism within IMO.......

In a perfect world we would all be happy, but even right now if this club was still in the top half of the Premiership table, people would be complaining about something......... Then again tho Wisel as i've said to you before, our supporters are no different to the wants, needs and expectations of others......

As you say, the negative attitude of our supporters is always there, is constant in my view, is a fundamental problem in my view.

I have been on here long enough now to know some of the posters never evr p[ost positive message to blues their players or manager. They have Bruce as their main scapegoat at the moment, but it was the same when Francis was here. I find it even more amusing when some of those individuals are now saying they wish Francis was back here.

It is different at other clubs, absolutely different. It is a Midland atribuite to be continually deprecating. Before anyone else can have a go, I'll criticise my own first to save the pain of other's criticism.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

The_Bear
Oct 3 2006, 01:53 PM
Good post letsby and spot on Mr P, the board have spent very little of their own money.  Most of the shares in the club are owned by the sport (ugh!) and other trading arms of the companies owned.

In real terms we fans put more in, percentage term, of our wages than the board do.

I am sick and tired at their constant pathetic money making schemes, "that susbstitution was brought to you by ..." it makes me cringe everytime I hear it.  Sockertyes, why! sponsored this sponsored that.  Enough already!

I would quite happily go back to the old terraces, paying on the gate and bovril at half time with the old leaky sheds we had than listen to one more sponsored b0llax!

Absolutely entirely with you Bear on the business issues within football. Oh for the days when football was a sport.

But I do not agree with you that that has anything specifically to do with Blues. Blues have had to come into line with the rest of the business driven clubs in the upper reaches of the English football leagues, who themselves have had to come itno line with the game at international level.

Some time ago I ran a 'Can we have our gmae back' protest which was a tongue in cheek headline for a very serious issue.

This is sport, it should not be hijacked by business.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Seasoned Pro
Member Avatar
Bob Hatton
[ *  *  *  * ]
Wisel
Oct 3 2006, 02:52 PM
I have been on here long enough now to know some of the posters never evr p[ost positive message to blues their players or manager.

I agree with you there, just like some supporters who only come out of the woodwork when things are going well, this message board has posters who only feel it necessarily to post when things are going wrong...... People often say "its easy to cricitcise, but hard to praise"

But i do feel your wrong about other clubs supporters being different. Every club has the same cross section of debate and tolerance amongst its supporters.

I'm privelidged in one respect to have family and friends dotted around the uk that follow other teams and i'm fortunate enough on this debate to know that our complaints and moans are all the same throughout the grounds, pubs, message boards and phone ins of other clubs.....

Pompey fans are always regarded as great supporters. I've got three mates that are pompey fans that myself and a couple of other bluenoses formed friendships with the once after a game a few years back. I was invited down to Fratton Park to watch a game couple of seasons ago, on a blank Premiership weekend.

As always the athmosphere was superb and they won the game, but they still had time for negativity in the pub and at the ground surrounding issues over manager, ground, chairman and team selection... Quite amazing considering they were sat on top of the Championship at the time!

What your seeing now on these boards is the fall out from a club thats not only been relegated buts made things worse by alienating its supporters over many other issues aside from the football on the park.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Seasoned Pro
Member Avatar
Bob Hatton
[ *  *  *  * ]
A good original post by Letsby and some great replies too!

I think overall though the board have continued to give us a football club. Our future was uncertain before they came in. Over the progression of time they have always portrayed that they cannot do everything on their own and have often suggested "we will do our bit, if you do yours".......

We have a stabilised football club, with a constant flow of investment put into the playing side, and the chop and change manager mentality long gone which is a good thing....

The past couple of seasons has probably now answered peoples questions on the boards limitations placed upon their ambitions. Sooner rather than later i expect that more supporters will realise that we will need the next step at boardroom level... I believe the boards interest is purely the challenge of realising the potential of a business, being a football club is a bonus as its a passion shared by all. Some business suits enjoy the challenge of making something out of nothing and thats what i believe our board is trying to do.

I also agree with Bear and Wisel, football has seriosuly been hijacked by the commercial sector, but without the money and annoying sponsorships we would sadly be left behind.... I also believe the hardcore determination of boardrooms up and down the land to grab every penny out of every supporter is already damaging the relationship with the supporters to the point of no return........
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
brimful of bovril
Member Avatar
Jose Dominguez
[ *  *  * ]

Totally agree with the comments about the women's team. It's disgraceful that they let them go - it costs naff all to support a women's team in comparison, and if they'd mad ethem feel part of the club, they could've easily made it back through marketing. Very recently we had 4 (I think) of the England team - Rachel Yankey, Karen Carney and a couple of others - can't they see how good it could be for the club to promote that as a source of pride?

But no, rather than support our women footballers, they give priority to girls who'll jiggle their knockers standing on a table. I think it's shameful.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chilternblue
Ian Bennett
[ *  *  *  * ]
brimful of bovril
Oct 3 2006, 05:22 PM
Totally agree with the comments about the women's team. It's disgraceful that they let them go - it costs naff all to support a women's team in comparison, and if they'd mad ethem feel part of the club, they could've easily made it back through marketing. Very recently we had 4 (I think) of the England team - Rachel Yankey, Karen Carney and a couple of others - can't they see how good it could be for the club to promote that as a source of pride?

But no, rather than support our women footballers, they give priority to girls who'll jiggle their knockers standing on a table. I think it's shameful.

**thumbup Great point
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wisel
Unregistered

Disagree on the different characteristics of different areas of support Seasoned. I too, like lots of folk here, have experience of different part sof the country, and other countries as well. I have been to many games with many different suporters in their own ends, and have my own views on how different crowds react. I think you could fairly debate the type of differences, but to say there is no difference between how a Cockney, or a Yorkshireman, or a Welshman, or a SWesterener reacts to different situation is not coorect in my book.

Let me give you what I think is the most extreme difference between fans I have been with to try to make the point a bit clearer. I have been to soccer matches in teh states and find their reactions to the game poles apart from those at Birmingham City, or more to the point to those in the West Midlands.

I would liek to make this point from personal experience, but can't, I think the crowds in Brazil are entirely different to those in the UK, and that the people have an entirely different approach to life, and their sport is a part of that.

It seem logical therefore, taht local to UK differences would be less extreme, but would exist nonetheless. Experience tells me that is so.

I always tell the same story. You talk to a Cockney about any facet of London and suggets it is poor, the typical reaction will be to tell you you don't know what youare talking about and to tell you how great it is to live in The City, if you say the same things to a Brummie, tehy will immediately trump you with how bad it is.

I really do thinkthat has an impact on the success of the area as it does have on the clubs in the area. Somehow we have to learn to be proud and show it, not violently, but assesrtively.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
BluesBot
Member Avatar
Paul Tait
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Seasoned Pro
Oct 3 2006, 01:44 PM
The constant stream of attempted blame has always been at BCFC tho Wisel..... I've been a regular down St Andrews since 83/84 and even when the mood has generally been good amongst the supporters there have always been things to complain and be negative about, i would say thats Football, but really thats life and what makes the world go round.....

If you don't like the blame or negative culture then we might as well close message boards down, because quite often a debate/thread starts when someone wishes to change something, which can easily be construde as negative because they don't conform or are happy with whats going on......

This board reflects IMO the feeling and mirrors the mood amongst supporters at the moment. I would rather see protests about certain issues on here than down at the ground. Negativity is only bad when its constant and has no substance for debate. Most of the negative threads and debates have some very good constructive criticism within IMO.......

In a perfect world we would all be happy, but even right now if this club was still in the top half of the Premiership table, people would be complaining about something......... Then again tho Wisel as i've said to you before, our supporters are no different to the wants, needs and expectations of others......

Said like a er erm - seasoned pro to be exact **thumbup



Apart from a few snipers this thread has been a refreshing change, well thought out posts giving consideration for others viewpoints whilst not shoving opinions down peoples throats.

**thumbup
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chris1875
Geoff Horsfield
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Letsby Avenue
Oct 3 2006, 12:41 AM
The fans built this City.
I'll say my own story. From when Fry went, but more importantly when Francis went.
You get surrounded on the stairs in the bars by an influx of better dressed bluenoses, who rattle on about how long they've followed blues, and how Francis was rubbish and on and on. So you keep your mouth shut, because you are a Francis believer. Then we get promoted, because all a sudden we have money to get in higher level players. So - You keep your mouth shut.

In our first year up - a desperate plunge by the board in the January window, we stave of relegation - but from that first year onwards its going nowhere.
It's hanging on but not in desperation, just hanging on. We are consolidating and moving up a level.They tell us. More money to pacify the manager.

But we aren't. So you find your voice. And you think.......hang on a minute, if Francis had this amount of "forward spend", we'd have been up years ago.

Steve Bruce has had it easy.

He's been sold to the board by Karen and he is fireproof as a result.
And the guy has contempt for the fans that disagree with him and goes sick when he knows theres hard questions to be asked. On live TV.

Francis went through a 75 minute, live ,TV press conference when he was sacked.

Bruce gets flu prior to a potentially difficult, 2 minute tunnel interview.

Man of Integrity v Straw man

Curbishley would be nuts to come here.

Our board can keep our club swanning around on reducing gates, and struggling to get promoted- or they can bite the bullet and be as radical and progressive as they were when TF went.

We are all so "bloody grateful" for our board, we forgive them anything because they "saved us".

But they are visitors to Brum. They motor up, or fly up to visit their investment.
Our board have done nothing for Birmingham, our City, they are not synonomous with Birmingham beyond the football club. Does our club support or sponsor a local charity?

What do they do for Breast/Testicular cancer charities? Oxfam ?

They have lapdancing in the Gold Suite. Because that is a way of squeezing out a couple of thousand pounds mid-week.

I'm a bloke, and unless I'm stone deaf - every guy that sits near me or I speak to in the TF or wherever, is embarrassed about the lapdancing obsession the Golds and Sullivan have. Nobby Styles is sold out for a sports evening. Why do we need lapdancing and strip-tease?

And Birmingham City Ladies Football Club - stopped from using the two globes logo. Why? Un-supported by the professional club whose name they share. They have re-structured. Getting support from local business (And National chains like John Lewis) - and our board whinge on about lack of local business interest.
By the way, the Ladies team have reached out further into the community and have teams going down to under 10's, to provide for their future.
TF faught for the re-instatement of the Academy after Fry and Brady closed it down. Steve Bruce sells off that product.

We are not a mis-managed club.

We are a very well-managed club.

But the board's interests imo, are not the same as the blues' fans interests at the end of the day.
They have certainly no interest in the local culture, problems or aspirations of Birmingham people.

And it is aspiration that both David's seek. Acceptance.

Coming from dubious business backgrounds, they both want to be in the Royal Box at Wembley as a sign of Social acceptance. They have little chance of making it with lapdancing or with Steve.

So they will drain every last penny from blues fans, and run down the operation to increase the yield.

When what they could do, is become brummies. Believe in the fans and believe in our dreams. They've got the clout, do they have the courage?

They came in telling us what was good for us, 13 years later they are still telling us they know best.

Try listening fellas.

**thumbup

Have to agree with everything about the board in that post. Spot on.
Bruce is a different matter and vaires on people's patience levels imo, but about the board, 100% true.

I thank them for everything they've done, but from where I'm standing they only care for their investment, not the club or it's fans.
They are certainly destroying the fan base and atmosphere imo.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
valleyblue
Paul Tait
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
To even attempt to compare American or Brazilian crowds to UK supporters (Blues fans in particular) is ludicrous - Totally different cultures for a start.

Why not stick with fans of other UK clubs?

Now I'll give you a prime example - Today I was talking to a colleague who is a Cardiff fan, nothing to moan about there wouldn't you think? - Truth is whilst he's chuffed to bits with the league position he and a good few other Cardiff fans he knows are unhappy with their stadium and the time it's taking to get a new one, Sam Hamman and his tight rein on finances (they want to know what he's done with the money from the sale of Jerome) and he was seriously worried about their ability to maintain their form with a squad full of free transfers.

See Wisel it's not just Blues fans - You have to face up to the fact that we all know supporters of other clubs and all other clubs have fans who moan. Try listening to 606 you'll hear Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U fans phone in with complaints.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Seasoned Pro
Member Avatar
Bob Hatton
[ *  *  *  * ]
Wisel
Oct 3 2006, 06:34 PM
I have been to soccer matches in teh states and find their reactions to the game poles apart from those at Birmingham City, or more to the point to those in the West Midlands.


I cannot disagree with much of what you have said, but at the core of all football fans lies the same passions with the only difference being the tolerance level from one fan to the next. We all want to make things better and fix things that half the time are not broken. Whether your in the States, UK or in Europe, football gives regions an identity but the arguments, debates and attitudes of football fans are pretty much the same.

I'm not privvy enough to have tasted football in other countries. I do have "net" friends in both Brazil and the US, on discussions about football they seem to portray that football is more of an occasion to unite yourself with your community and create an identity thats different to the supporters of other teams. Winning or losing is important but defeat just means you will have to do better in the next game. The only time intolerance shows is if their teams are playing a local rival. To me that sounds how things used to be over here in the U.K.

I sit in the Tilton, consider myself a balanced fan, i support the lads from start to finish in every game and i'm the type of fan that doesn't boo during a game, doesn't get irate going a goal down..... sitting next to me is the opposite of everything i am as a fan, i respect his reactions and attitude because his tolerance is different to mine, but ultimately win, lose or draw before and after each game we still moan, find faults and try to work out how our team/club can become a dominating force ....

IMO since the Premiership was formed and even more so since we have tasted the real thing its made monsters out of all of us. The mentality has changed in all football fans. The tolerance level between success and failure has become even thinner. The atmoshpere has all but died at St Andrews because expectancy has risen so much, so many supporters seem so discontent with issues surrounding the club.

IMO Wisel, the changing face of football, along with the change of mentality amongst most football fans has decreased the level of understanding, the tolerance, the attitude and the creation of lack of atmosphere at many football grounds amongst most supporters...

I think Wisel we shall have to agree to disagree, but the debates been interesting **thumbup

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Paul Tait's Tee-Shirt
Paul Tait's Tee Shirt
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
DuDuDugarry
Oct 3 2006, 10:00 AM
Left handed screwdriver
Oct 3 2006, 08:54 AM
could you imagin what would of hapened if TF had been given just 5 mill for one season?

:D

Yes, he'd have bough Ade Akinibyi.

And, Mike Newell, Paul Furlong, Chris Holland and the truly dreadful Danny Sonner.

Oh, he did ! :unsure:

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
ZetaBoards gives you all the tools to create a successful discussion community.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Blues Chat · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Forum Design by Hirsty.