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David Golds Comments; deja vu
Topic Started: Oct 3 2006, 03:42 PM (705 Views)
bornblues64
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I read Golds comments on the main web page and i reckon he made that speech word for word last year its just the players names have changed??

Split my sides when i saw the old one liner he has learnt off Bruce

"When we have a fit Dunn"

People say this forum is boring and repetitive well thanks for joining us David
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chilternblue
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Reading between the lines his article could of been construined has a vote of confidence for SB IMO. **thumbup
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Left handed screwdriver
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well i read between the lines and there was nothing to read . :unsure: :lol:
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True Blue 32
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Oct 3 2006, 05:09 PM
well i read between the lines and there was nothing to read . :unsure: :lol:

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Oct 3 2006, 05:06 PM
Reading between the lines his article could of been construined has a vote of confidence for SB IMO. **thumbup

:D The dreaded vote of confidence hopefully!
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I honestly think there was a subtext: 'we better pick up in October or else'. Did anyone else see it that way?
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Joe
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Same old same old.
There aint no change in the situation from the start of the season.
Bruce is sacked if the team suddenly blows up and loses three or four in a row and it looks as if something is drastically wrong and we are out of the hunt. That aint going to happen in this league.
David Gold isn't saying anything new.
As for Curbishley, he doesn't want to come here anyhow. He's waiting for a PL job.
We are actually second in the table and the majority of the season remains. Let's see where we are in May, that's what counts.
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bornblues64
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Oct 3 2006, 05:29 PM
Same old same old.
There aint no change in the situation from the start of the season.
Bruce is sacked if the team suddenly blows up and loses three or four in a row and it looks as if something is drastically wrong and we are out of the hunt. That aint going to happen in this league.
David Gold isn't saying anything new.
As for Curbishley, he doesn't want to come here anyhow. He's waiting for a PL job.
We are actually second in the table and the majority of the season remains. Let's see where we are in May, that's what counts.

Lets see where we are in May , we kept hearing that last year as well! :P
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valleyblue
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Ever heard the saying "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

Well to paraphrase that "All it takes for Blues to remain in the Championship is to do nothing until May"

We may be second today but take a look at the next set of Saturday fixtures

Saturday, 14 October 2006
Burnley v Hull,
Crystal Palace v Cardiff,
Ipswich v West Brom,
Leeds v Stoke,
Leicester v Southampton,
Luton v Birmingham,
Preston v Sunderland,
QPR v Norwich,
Sheff Wed v Barnsley,
Wolverhampton v Colchester

Incidentally Luton are undefeated at home so let's not have any silly 0-3 predictions. Reality says a draw at Luton will be a good result. Looking at the other fixtures suggests a fall from second place.

Or maybe I should just ignore reality and don a pair of very very dark blue tinted specs :rolleyes:


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castrare
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chilternblue
Oct 3 2006, 04:06 PM
Reading between the lines his article could of been construined has a vote of confidence for SB IMO. **thumbup

Certainly until the end of October **thumbup
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kmmmn
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Oct 3 2006, 05:29 PM

We are actually second in the table...

We are also 5 points behind the leaders after less than 10 games, and only 1 win better off than Luton in 11th place...

That's more sobering reading.
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Sorry Mr Gold
I think your comments,with all respect,were a little naive to say the least
As Blues fans and followers of football,then 'Yes' we know October is a make or break month
At the same time out of the next 7 games ,three of our opponents are in the bottom half of the league and against the likes of Stoke,Leicester and Colchester we have been far from convincing have we ??
This business of being 2nd (we are only four points ahead of Colchester in 13th place yet 5 points behind the leaders) and that we should be over the moon is only daubing white paint over the real darker issues behind the scenes
Why do you complain of falling attendances yet overprice the fans out of attending some games at SA ?

I think I speak for the vast majority of Blues fans here who are still unconvinced and dismayed at Steve Bruce's excuses for defeat and his tactical know how ??

It would have been more interesting to see if you were seriously considering the curent position of the manager or are we being led down the blind loyalty path once more...what are your views on his compenasation package,most clubs are faced with that same issue when firing a manager

There is an ideal candidate out there in waiting and I for one believe you know it too

Sorry,having a 'fit Dunny' doesn't wash it for me,weren't you also commenting on our huge and fine sqauad in the same column and how do we really know if Cardiff will suffer any suspensions or injuries ?...perhaps they have some good youngsters in the pipeline ....but the real issue is 'How will Cardiffs' suspensions and injuries really affect our own performances' ?

Yes,12 teams are in the fray for promotion,it will no doubt go down to the wire....but with the sqaud we have we should be walking it...I think we agree on that but it isn't happening is it ??

I only wished I could share your optimism ,Sir

Keep right on

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valleyblue
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To quote

"When you throw in a fit David Dunn people will think wow this is some team"

Now either I've been in a parallel universe or I'm mis-reading this line somehow. But hasn't a (supposedly) fit David Dunn played in 9 games this season?

If as I suspect he has - Were are all the people going "wow" - Not on here or any of the other Blues message boards.

again

"Supporter have seen the side and players we have got what would we want to be different"

Clearly DG doesn't visit the message boards or listen to the radio or have peole telling what the fans think. Because I get the feeling I know what a goodly number of fans are thinking they would to be different.
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Why not 0-3 at Luton? Surely after the hammering we gave a woeful Leeds team and the battling creditable draw at Cardiff we should be optimistic..........

I agree, it was like reading last years "if we lose every game until the end of the season Steve Bruce will remain in charge" speech

Just over 17,000 home fans... can only be 2 reasons... the standard of football (managers fault) or the pricing structure..ST's and match day (the board's fault)

THAT'S £300,000+ down per match ...........SEVEN miliion a season just through the gate (probably even more if you count the loss of revenue due to corporates, bar sales etc)

This is all when we're second in the league in the mild months of the season.....

Surely they can see what's happening????
Oh and I forgot £15 to watch England vs macedonia ...£30 to watch Blues Leicester

erm ??


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Joe
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valleyblue
Oct 3 2006, 06:38 PM
Ever heard the saying "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

Well to paraphrase that "All it takes for Blues to remain in the Championship is to do nothing until May"

We may be second today but take a look at the next set of Saturday fixtures

Saturday, 14 October 2006
Burnley v Hull,
Crystal Palace v Cardiff,
Ipswich v West Brom,
Leeds v Stoke,
Leicester v Southampton,
Luton v Birmingham,
Preston v Sunderland,
QPR v Norwich,
Sheff Wed v Barnsley,
Wolverhampton v Colchester

Incidentally Luton are undefeated at home so let's not have any silly 0-3 predictions. Reality says a draw at Luton will be a good result. Looking at the other fixtures suggests a fall from second place.

Or maybe I should just ignore reality and don a pair of very very dark blue tinted specs :rolleyes:

So what, doesn't matter what the fixtures are, we still have to play everyone sometime.
I have seen every game bar one this season and even with this team - and this manager just to appease all the Bruce haters - we are good enough to go up.
If, after every time we drop a point or three, or don't play particularly well, there is the usual hue and cry, it won't get us anywhere.
Let Bruce get on with the job, show the players backing that Blues fans can give because you can bet they must be wondering what sort of club they have walked into and let's see where we are in May.
In a 46 game season our strength, quality, depth and financial muscle will be decisive.
If Bruce loses three or four games in a row then yes it's curtains for him. He knows that, everyone knows that.
But there is no one else out there who could come in - forget Curbishley, he doesn't want to join us - and Bruce has got us to second and the team should improve and get better, especially when defensively we tighten up.
And for all the anti-Bruce protesters - and I still don't see/can't here 18,000 hardcore fans at St Andrew's chanting from him to go - address your complaints to the board. They are the ones to blame for not sacking him last season!
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Intruder
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I interpret it as 'nothing changes' and that as 'honourable men' the board will back SB for the period they agreed with him pre-season. If I remember correctly that would be half a season and if things were wrong at that point then SB would go. And if he doesn't walk, he'll be pushed.

So if that was the agreement, and they're going to stick with it, then the pro SB fans get a breathing space and the anti SB fans will have to champ at the bit (a bit longer?)

Personnally, I don't think SB has got what it takes, but I still hope the current squad bonds as a team, plays as a team and achieves promotion, whoever is manager!

Lets face it, most fans don't support the manager, they don't take their allegiance when the manager goes to wherever he ends up, they don't wear replica manager suits/tracksuits (do they?)

Blues don't have 'Keep Right On' as an anthem for nothing...

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Noticed that these statements from the club are always conditional promises to the future. 'When this happens..', 'If so and so gets fit', and 'One day were going to hammer some team'. But they never actually happen.

Right now I would rather read something like, 'We have told Steve Bruce of our expectations. At the moment he is failing to meet those and is in no doubt that the situation will not be allowed to continue'.

We listened to all the floundering and flannel last season. Time to get tough.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:22 PM
Noticed that these statements from the club are always conditional promises to the future. 'When this happens..', 'If so and so gets fit', and 'One day were going to hammer some team'. But they never actually happen.


But they do happen.

Blues board said last season that they backed SB to keep them up, and that in the event of relegation SB's job was safe. What they said, happened (don't misread the bit about relegation).

Honourable men.

SB after some deliberation decided to stay. The board backed him with money and 'persuading power'.

Honourable men.

It's clear that SB has lost some of his 'pulling power'. Lots of dosh couldn't get Collins John, but still the board and SB persevered for McS. Blues 'borrowed' three of Bumnals brightest stars. How much did any of us know about Muamba, Larsson and particularly Bendtner before their arrival?

Honourable men.

If blues aren't doing well at the agreed time, don't expect SB to be pushed. He'll walk.

Honourable men.

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Oct 3 2006, 08:44 PM
Blues board said last season that they backed SB to keep them up, and that in the event of relegation SB's job was safe.  What they said, happened (don't misread the bit about relegation). 

Honourable men.

SB after some deliberation decided to stay.  The board backed him with money and 'persuading power'.

Honourable men.

It's clear that SB has lost some of his 'pulling power'.  Lots of dosh couldn't get Collins John, but still the board and SB persevered for McS.  Blues 'borrowed' three of Bumnals brightest stars.  How much did any of us know about Muamba, Larsson and particularly Bendtner before their arrival?

Honourable men.

If blues aren't doing well at the agreed time, don't expect SB to be pushed.  He'll walk.

Honourable men.

A series of bad decisions for which any other board in any other industry would have been sacked.
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Oct 3 2006, 05:29 PM
Let's see where we are in May, that's what counts.

Just to add another perspective on that I checked out the odds on betfair for us to get promoted (automatic or via play-off)... they have us at 5/4 which is another way of saying that we are odds-on NOT to get promoted...

That seems about right to me based on what I've seen so far. We have a live chance because we are the big money team in a poor division, but less than a 50% chance of going up.

Last season seemed like a car crash in slow motion to me : entirely predictable after the first couple of months of the season. This season is shaping up the same way. In the top six but outside of the top two seems the most likely outcome, which is not good enough imo.
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Oct 3 2006, 08:44 PM

It's clear that SB has lost some of his 'pulling power'. Lots of dosh couldn't get Collins John, but still the board and SB persevered for McS. Blues 'borrowed' three of Bumnals brightest stars. How much did any of us know about Muamba, Larsson and particularly Bendtner before their arrival?

I don't think it's that Steve has lost his pulling power; it's the fact that a) we are no longer a Premiership side, and as a result b) are less likely to offer Premiership sized wages. And besiders, if you were a player, who would you rather play every week; Southend and Luton, or Chelsea and Liverpool?

This is one that you can't attribute to Bruce personally.

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Oct 3 2006, 08:57 PM

A series of bad decisions for which any other board in any other industry would have been sacked.

difference is (and ignoring the fact that this board is made up of owners) the balance sheet looks healthy despite relegation.

like it or lump it, business people would consider that a plus (but with room for improvement)

I'd rather have people like DS and the Golds on the board, running things then many of their predecessors, more so in a time when many commercial company boards are more interested in making a quick buck for themselves selling the company then looking after the company's long term future.

I reserve the right to complain about SB but I'd also defend the right of the owners to make the decisions. I don't think they do too bad really. But then again you might prefer the Kumars? That's your right too.

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djmmusic
Oct 3 2006, 09:19 PM
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Oct 3 2006, 08:44 PM

It's clear that SB has lost some of his 'pulling power'. 

I don't think it's that Steve has lost his pulling power; it's the fact that a) we are no longer a Premiership side, and as a result b) are less likely to offer Premiership sized wages.

This is one that you can't attribute to Bruce personally.

I did say 'some' of his pulling power, and I agree the lack of signings from the higher echelons is not all his fault, but a manager 'on the up' or with 'clout' would be able to hook those amazing signings, like SB did in his early days bringing in Dugarry/Cabbage/Forssell/Upson, but we've all seen the quality (ie the international status) of players coming in decrease over the last three years, together with a perceived downturn in SB's reputation (you really think Newcastle would chase him now?)...
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Oct 3 2006, 10:51 PM
the balance sheet looks healthy despite relegation.

like it or lump it, business people would consider that a plus (but with room for improvement)

disagree

relegation was a major financial blow... the equivalent outcome in any other industry would see heads rolling..

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The Grim Ripper is coming :ph43r:
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