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Topic Started: Oct 4 2006, 07:29 PM (543 Views)
Bluemoon
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From Skydaz, surely not a lot here we could argue with :

http://www.birminghamcity-mad.co.uk/news/l...=TMNW&id=301776


When you watch a quality side like Arsenal, Barcelona etc the guy with the ball looks up and his team mates run in all directions looking for space, looking to make runs, looking to help out. When a Blues player gets the ball often the only option is to play backwards, then sideways and then roll it back to Taylor to hoof up the pitch. Where are the one twos? Where are the triangles? Where is the neat passing movement to free a striker? One touch, two touch, hoof. Sometimes section two is missed out as well.

Nor here :

Apart from goals the biggest difference is that Cardiff look like scoring, they create chances, when they play their fans always believe that they will score. The reason we lost out to Pompey in the run in last season was that they were capable of getting goals. In the last but one game they went one behind early on but everyone knew that with the players and the style they would get chances and if you create enough eventually the ball goes in the net.

Now I am aware we are not Arsenal or Barcelona but the fundamentals are the same whatever level you play at. Pass, move, space, person in the same shirt etc.
Why can't we score freely ? No creativity in midfield, strikers are underconfident, training methods poor. I can't fathom it out but Skydaz is always good to read and let's face it he is spot on here
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Sameth
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Spot on stuff. I totally agree with what he has said there.

Skydaz for manager :P
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TJDIXI
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I disagee that players aren't making runs. When Julia is playing he's always running away from the ball!
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charliedontsurf
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I think it raises a serious and fundamental point. It's almost galling top see the extent to which Cariff can run rings around the opposition. Even teams like Preston have managed, on occassion, to absolutely dominate teams with the possession and style of play.

I just do not see that with us? Why?

We may not have the single best players in their position in the league, but SURELY we SHOULD expect more with players that we have at our disposal? Why, therefore, are we not producing better football and better results?
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valleyblue
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charliedontsurf
Oct 5 2006, 04:20 PM
I think it raises a serious and fundamental point. It's almost galling top see the extent to which Cariff can run rings around the opposition. Even teams like Preston have managed, on occassion, to absolutely dominate teams with the possession and style of play.

I just do not see that with us? Why?

We may not have the single best players in their position in the league, but SURELY we SHOULD expect more with players that we have at our disposal? Why, therefore, are we not producing better football and better results?

Even Burnley - If you saw their game against Norwich.

But I never have believed that sort of domination is down to the players directly it's much more to do with tactics and motivation.
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Joe
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Not sure how many games he has seen this season but there is more movement and mobility in this team than there has been for 18 months.
Bruce lucky? In so much that we are second in the league?
We didn't have any luck against Leicester.
The fact that we have loan players at all is because the board won't spend the money to sign three players of the quality of Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba permanently.
They took the cheap option, like they did with Butt, Sutton, Forssell (first time round).
You can't build an argument and try to compare Blues to Arsenal and Barcelona - they have world class players!
The fact that we don't score enough goals is down to players not taking their chances. Simple. We are creating enough.Again, we do not have world class finishers; we are in the Championship and accordingly that is reflected.
Cardiff? Talk about luck. Two players sent-off in the opening 10 mins (Luton, Wolves) and they score eight goals. Craddock og was hilarious - came off his chin.
They are riding a crest of a wave and will come down like the Christmas lights. We will get stronger.
I'm tired and bored of reading so many critical, moaning pieces like this one about Blues. If people were more constructive it might be interesting, but I guess they don't want to be.

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Great piece Daz! congrats on the radio WM slot, just think you will now be mentioned in the same breath as Carl Chinn and Tony Butler. You must be proud! :laugh:

Spot on piece though mate and when are you coming for a pint?
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valleyblue
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Joe
Oct 5 2006, 08:49 PM
Not sure how many games he has seen this season but there is more movement and mobility in this team than there has been for 18 months.
Bruce lucky? In so much that we are second in the league?
We didn't have any luck against Leicester.
The fact that we have loan players at all is because the board won't spend the money to sign three players of the quality of Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba permanently.
They took the cheap option, like they did with Butt, Sutton, Forssell (first time round).
You can't build an argument and try to compare Blues to Arsenal and Barcelona - they have world class players!
The fact that we don't score enough goals is down to players not taking their chances. Simple. We are creating enough.Again, we do not have world class finishers; we are in the Championship and accordingly that is reflected.
Cardiff? Talk about luck. Two players sent-off in the opening 10 mins (Luton, Wolves) and they score eight goals. Craddock og was hilarious - came off his chin.
They are riding a crest of a wave and will come down like the Christmas lights. We will get stronger.
I'm tired and bored of reading so many critical, moaning pieces like this one about Blues. If people were more constructive it might be interesting, but I guess they don't want to be.

Since Arsenal have already turned down a reported £6m bid for Bendtner he's hardly in our price range at present - and where are you going to find players of that class willing to sign for a CCC team?

How come palyers at Burnley, Cardiff, Southampton & WBA can finish their chances? - Are they world class? (Not in my book)

Hardly call the opposition having players sent of luck - I seem to recall Blues having had 3 sent off so far was that down to luck?

Reading were tipped to come a cropper for most of last season - small squad etc. They didn't. I also recall that most of last we were told Blues would get stronger - we didn't.

Most of what you say is a rehash of the same tired old story we heard all last season, the only difference is we're a division lower.
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Oct 5 2006, 08:55 PM
Joe
Oct 5 2006, 08:49 PM
Not sure how many games he has seen this season but there is more movement and mobility in this team than there has been for 18 months.
Bruce lucky? In so much that we are second in the league?
We didn't have any luck against Leicester.
The fact that we have loan players at all is because the board won't spend the money to sign three players of the quality of Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba permanently.
They took the cheap option, like they did with Butt, Sutton, Forssell (first time round).
You can't build an argument and try to compare Blues to Arsenal and Barcelona - they have world class players!
The fact that we don't score enough goals is down to players not taking their chances. Simple. We are creating enough.Again, we do not have world class finishers; we are in the Championship and accordingly that is reflected.
Cardiff? Talk about luck. Two players sent-off in the opening 10 mins (Luton, Wolves) and they score eight goals. Craddock og was hilarious - came off his chin.
They are riding a crest of a wave and will come down like the Christmas lights. We will get stronger.
I'm tired and bored of reading so many critical, moaning pieces like this one about Blues. If people were more constructive it might be interesting, but I guess they don't want to be.

Since Arsenal have already turned down a reported £6m bid for Bendtner he's hardly in our price range at present - and where are you going to find players of that class willing to sign for a CCC team?

How come palyers at Burnley, Cardiff, Southampton & WBA can finish their chances? - Are they world class? (Not in my book)

Hardly call the opposition having players sent of luck - I seem to recall Blues having had 3 sent off so far was that down to luck?

Reading were tipped to come a cropper for most of last season - small squad etc. They didn't. I also recall that most of last we were told Blues would get stronger - we didn't.

Most of what you say is a rehash of the same tired old story we heard all last season, the only difference is we're a division lower.

Some very good points made in your post valley, im sick of hearing "we going get stronger" "were going to thump someone" same old same old, don't tell us show us words are cheap!!
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QUOTE (Joe @ Oct 5 2006, 08:49 PM)
Not sure how many games he has seen this season but there is more movement and mobility in this team than there has been for 18 months.
Bruce lucky? In so much that we are second in the league?
We didn't have any luck against Leicester.
The fact that we have loan players at all is because the board won't spend the money to sign three players of the quality of Bendtner, Larsson, Muamba permanently.
They took the cheap option, like they did with Butt, Sutton, Forssell (first time round).
You can't build an argument and try to compare Blues to Arsenal and Barcelona - they have world class players!
The fact that we don't score enough goals is down to players not taking their chances. Simple. We are creating enough.Again, we do not have world class finishers; we are in the Championship and accordingly that is reflected.
Cardiff? Talk about luck. Two players sent-off in the opening 10 mins (Luton, Wolves) and they score eight goals. Craddock og was hilarious - came off his chin.
They are riding a crest of a wave and will come down like the Christmas lights. We will get stronger.
I'm tired and bored of reading so many critical, moaning pieces like this one about Blues. If people were more constructive it might be interesting, but I guess they don't want to be. 


Since Arsenal have already turned down a reported £6m bid for Bendtner he's hardly in our price range at present - and where are you going to find players of that class willing to sign for a CCC team?

How come palyers at Burnley, Cardiff, Southampton & WBA can finish their chances? - Are they world class? (Not in my book)

Hardly call the opposition having players sent of luck - I seem to recall Blues having had 3 sent off so far was that down to luck?

Reading were tipped to come a cropper for most of last season - small squad etc. They didn't. I also recall that most of last we were told Blues would get stronger - we didn't.

Most of what you say is a rehash of the same tired old story we heard all last season, the only difference is we're a division lower.

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It's far too easy to say Cardiff are going to fail - I have a big feeling they WILL be this year's Reading. Look at the flair, the confidence, the EASE with which they defeat teams.

The irony when others complain about whinging/critical fans is massive: the big difference is we are complaining because we believe we need to be PROACTIVE - just sitting back and assuming the 'we are a big club, we will win it in the end, we will go up etc.' is nonsense.

All we had last season was a lot of inane "We will stay up **thumbup **thumbup Believe **thumbup we will do well." Blindlessly supporting Bruce did not work then, it will not work now.

No we are NOT Barcelona or Arsenal - within the context of this division we are Chelsea! More money, biq squad, players with big reputations etc. It is noticable that players who have come in from OTHER clubs, such as McSheffrey and the Arsenal boys have a MUCH better attitude. Why? Because they have not been under Bruce for too long. The same as Gray - look at the enthusiasm and skill he showed when he first arrived compared to the shell that remains.

The fact remains: other teams are playing well - we are not. We have better players, so there must be a problem somewhere, and I have a strong OPINION on where/who that problem is.
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