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Nov 13 2006, 08:47 AM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes. But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others. I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season. But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well. Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ? I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less. But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
The way to move on from your mistakes, in my view, is to come clean, accept your role and responsibility for the failure and then try to put right the mistakes and move forward. To my mind the problem with the club at the moment is the above has not been fully done. Also if you are referring to Bruce and mistakes by others anyone who accepts a senior role has to be accountable for those that work beneath them. You also have to decide how long you can let someone keep making the same mistakes without apparently learning from them. I have absolutely no problem with the board or Bruce coming out and giving their view points but to be taken seriously they have got to tell the truth and not play the blame game, especially when it is their very supporters who seem now to be being blamed. I do seriously question the stance they have taken but that is for another thread. I also note you are citing Albion for what can happen when a new manager comes in, why not V illa? I accept a new manager is a risk but is that such a bad thing? After all loyalty has not done us much good in the last 18 months, again though this is for another thread and has possibly been done to death, for now. As I said in my previous post jarjar is entitled to his/her opinion, as is everyone else regardless of their view. My only real point is you cannot just expect everyone to suddenly forgive and forget the last 18 months after only a few weeks of decent results. What is happening to the club does not beg belief, in fact it is to be expected and was easily predicted given the way the club has been run in recent times.
I used WBA as an example as thye are on our level and their results and opponents are the same. Unlike those from the other side of the City.
History and probably not worth starting another ‘debate’ over but surely though if we had changed the manager 12 months ago, whilst in the prem, we might still be there. If you want a closer analogy Sunderland, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday Norwich and even Albion before Mowbray, and given the squad even he will probably start to get results again soon, have all improved with a change of manager. Please don’t get me wrong, I am not currently advocating changing our manager. I am merely saying change is not always a bad thing and, as a club, we seem to be rather scared of change.
Excellent post tevets
It's amazing how some of the 'Pro Brucers' on here claim their views are so superior to others ...
One points to the recent good run of 5 wins on the spin we had but of course overlooks the games in which we took 2 points from 15
They're just picking 'Diamonds out of Dung'
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Nov 13 2006, 08:48 AM
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The attitude of supporter of this site begs belief. We are 3rd in the league but still people moan, moan & moan, wonder why I left Birmingham to live somewhere else.
SO NEGATIVE about everything.
If we were 3rd from the bottom then it would be fair to moan. The Birmingham City Football Clubs managers position is worse than the thank less National teams job
Stop moaning and get behind the team & the manager
Why does the attitude beggar belief? We may be third in this division but if the club had been run properly over the last 18 months we would be at least 4 places higher. The reason quite a few have a negative attitude is because when we were third from the bottom nothing was done and supporters were ignored.
Tevets have you ever made a mistake have you ever misjudged something??
Obviously, many times, hasn’t everyone? On the other hand I do not hide behind excuses or blame other people. I certainly don’t then lay blame on the paying customer. I am also willing to take responsibility for my actions. There is also a degree to mistakes, some are easier to forgive than others. I would put relegation, slashing the turnover of the football club and disenfranchising a large percentage of your customer base down as a serious one. One that a few wins and third place, in a lower division to where we should be, is not quite enough to gain forgiveness, yet. I have no problem in the sentiment shown in the original post and am happy(ish) to tolerate Bruce but if jarjar really thinks the negativity surrounding the club begs belief he is being somewhat naive.
So i presume you learnt from your mistakes. But what if you were reminded of your msistaks everyday, what if you were the person being held responsible for mistakes made by others. I have said before that the Board the Manager and players past and present should be ashamed of the way they let this club slide last season. But that was last season. We have now a side packed with talent and which is very young and learning. yet despite that we are joint 2nd in the lge without exactly playing well. Take a look at WBA, they did exactly what you want DS to do and change the manager , yet since they have they have taken how many points ?? they play with what has been decribed by people far more qualified than me with the best squad in the lge. yet they are struggling at the moment ? I think jar jar is entitled to his / her opinion and if you have read some of the negativity on this board which surely you must have you may understand how that opinion was formed. there are those that have nothing at all to say about Blues that has one ounce of positivetivity in it, their main aim is to get their own way nothing more nothing less. But tell me is what they say any worse than what Bruce and Sullivan have said. after all when you dare question these people they state thay are entitled to their opinion. But it seems no one else is least of all the people they attack at every opportunity.
The way to move on from your mistakes, in my view, is to come clean, accept your role and responsibility for the failure and then try to put right the mistakes and move forward. To my mind the problem with the club at the moment is the above has not been fully done. Also if you are referring to Bruce and mistakes by others anyone who accepts a senior role has to be accountable for those that work beneath them. You also have to decide how long you can let someone keep making the same mistakes without apparently learning from them. I have absolutely no problem with the board or Bruce coming out and giving their view points but to be taken seriously they have got to tell the truth and not play the blame game, especially when it is their very supporters who seem now to be being blamed. I do seriously question the stance they have taken but that is for another thread. I also note you are citing Albion for what can happen when a new manager comes in, why not V illa? I accept a new manager is a risk but is that such a bad thing? After all loyalty has not done us much good in the last 18 months, again though this is for another thread and has possibly been done to death, for now. As I said in my previous post jarjar is entitled to his/her opinion, as is everyone else regardless of their view. My only real point is you cannot just expect everyone to suddenly forgive and forget the last 18 months after only a few weeks of decent results. What is happening to the club does not beg belief, in fact it is to be expected and was easily predicted given the way the club has been run in recent times.
I used WBA as an example as thye are on our level and their results and opponents are the same. Unlike those from the other side of the City.
History and probably not worth starting another ‘debate’ over but surely though if we had changed the manager 12 months ago, whilst in the prem, we might still be there. If you want a closer analogy Sunderland, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday Norwich and even Albion before Mowbray, and given the squad even he will probably start to get results again soon, have all improved with a change of manager. Please don’t get me wrong, I am not currently advocating changing our manager. I am merely saying change is not always a bad thing and, as a club, we seem to be rather scared of change.
Excellent post tevets It's amazing how some of the 'Pro Brucers' on here claim their views are so superior to others ... One points to the recent good run of 5 wins on the spin we had but of course overlooks the games in which we took 2 points from 15 They're just picking 'Diamonds out of Dung'
I only posted to see how long this thread can get :P
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Nov 13 2006, 08:58 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate...
See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
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Nov 13 2006, 09:02 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
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Nov 13 2006, 09:06 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
Think it's a little unfair calling someone a 'Glory Hunter'
He made a very good point
And perhaps his standards are a lot higher than yours
Because YOU choose to pay to watch mediocre football doen't mean other Blues fans are prepared to
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
Think it's a little unfair calling someone a 'Glory Hunter' He made a very good point And perhaps his standards are a lot higher than yours Because YOU choose to pay to watch mediocre football doen't mean other Blues fans are prepared to
out of interest then, and i'm NOT having a go, what is your definition of a supporter - bearing in mind he says he supports the club not the manager?
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Nov 13 2006, 09:31 AM
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
Think it's a little unfair calling someone a 'Glory Hunter' He made a very good point And perhaps his standards are a lot higher than yours Because YOU choose to pay to watch mediocre football doen't mean other Blues fans are prepared to
out of interest then, and i'm NOT having a go, what is your definition of a supporter - bearing in mind he says he supports the club not the manager?
Supporter - Someone who chooses Birmingham City FC as THEIR favourite team and wants to see success for that club Pays MONEY to watch his heroes in action .....as bluenose said he spends his hard earned cash to watch Blues away from home And it is his "RIGHT" to complain about the entertainment value and the decline of the club ..........notably in BLUES case a relegation that followed 2 years of absolutely NO passion from an expensive band of failures who were signed by ONE man alone .........Mr Bruce
Using myself as another example ......followed BCFC for 40 years,worked for the club in catering and on the commercial side,former Junior Blue and ST holder for many years,went to Wembley and followed the lads all over England, a lifelong wish to see BCFC compete with the likes of Chelsea,Liverpool,Arsenal,Man United etc and winning trophies
Gepgraphically I can't get to many games these days but I still buy club merchandise Again....if I see problems .....and there are HUGE problems at Blues right now (look at the league we are currently in) I will voice my opinions accordingly
I am also a BLUES supporter ........anyone who can't see that is a total fool
I am furious at the way Mr Bruce and Mr Sullivan have labbelled the 'missing' fans recently....I can forgive Mr Sullivan because his one fault is that he often speaks without thinking first but he has done a great job at the club and deserves credit for that
Likewise Mr Bruce deserved credit for promotion in 2002 (and he got it from me) but after four seasons it was obvious even to the layperson he was out of his depth at PL level ....he threw away a vast amount of the clubs financial resources on players that didn't produce (some even milked the club for every penny) .....in real terms he FAILED Big Time and should have been dismissed
However if Mr Sullivan AND Messrs Gold purely maintain their FAITH in Bruce as a FRIEND and not from a football perspective I honestly think there could be some major changes soon
Hope that answers your question
Bruce Out
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the quality of the opposition produces sell outs at st andrews and not the quality of the football from Birmingham City. That and only that is the true reason for poor attendances,so go on admit it its not the prices or the shame of relegation or the fear that if we go up we will come straight back down or the other paragraphs of excuses held in reserve when faced with the true reality that our support is pathetic.
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
Think it's a little unfair calling someone a 'Glory Hunter' He made a very good point And perhaps his standards are a lot higher than yours Because YOU choose to pay to watch mediocre football doen't mean other Blues fans are prepared to
I've caught up with all the threads this morning Partisan and calling someone a 'glory hunter' was a direct chuckle at another thread where it was suggested we had people driving up and down the M6 to get to the matches when were in the Prem.
Lighten up FFS.
I'm sure the stayy away brigade will be back next year buying ST's. But they won't have a 20% discount like me :D
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Will NEVER NEVER get behind the manager (Bruce) as long as he is at Blues ... BCFC yes get behind the club ... BUT the way we are playing etc now thats down to the manager. Till Bruce leaves this matter will NOT go away. Also why if we are doing well (yes 2/3 in league) are we not have 'full house', why not 20000 S/T, could it be people are p***ed of with the manager & the type of football Blues are playing? Bruce Out now
Whatever mate... See you next season back in the Prem... Glory Hunter :lol:
Think it's a little unfair calling someone a 'Glory Hunter' He made a very good point And perhaps his standards are a lot higher than yours Because YOU choose to pay to watch mediocre football doen't mean other Blues fans are prepared to
out of interest then, and i'm NOT having a go, what is your definition of a supporter - bearing in mind he says he supports the club not the manager?
Supporter - Someone who chooses Birmingham City FC as THEIR favourite team and wants to see success for that club Pays MONEY to watch his heroes in action .....as bluenose said he spends his hard earned cash to watch Blues away from home And it is his "RIGHT" to complain about the entertainment value and the decline of the club ..........notably in BLUES case a relegation that followed 2 years of absolutely NO passion from an expensive band of failures who were signed by ONE man alone .........Mr Bruce Using myself as another example ......followed BCFC for 40 years,worked for the club in catering and on the commercial side,former Junior Blue and ST holder for many years,went to Wembley and followed the lads all over England, a lifelong wish to see BCFC compete with the likes of Chelsea,Liverpool,Arsenal,Man United etc and winning trophies Gepgraphically I can't get to many games these days but I still buy club merchandise Again....if I see problems .....and there are HUGE problems at Blues right now (look at the league we are currently in) I will voice my opinions accordingly I am also a BLUES supporter ........anyone who can't see that is a total fool I am furious at the way Mr Bruce and Mr Sullivan have labbelled the 'missing' fans recently....I can forgive Mr Sullivan because his one fault is that he often speaks without thinking first but he has done a great job at the club and deserves credit for that Likewise Mr Bruce deserved credit for promotion in 2002 (and he got it from me) but after four seasons it was obvious even to the layperson he was out of his depth at PL level ....he threw away a vast amount of the clubs financial resources on players that didn't produce (some even milked the club for every penny) .....in real terms he FAILED Big Time and should have been dismissed However if Mr Sullivan AND Messrs Gold purely maintain their FAITH in Bruce as a FRIEND and not from a football perspective I honestly think there could be some major changes soon Hope that answers your question Bruce Out
thank you partisan for your fullsome response. it does answer your aspect of definitions i suppose. and like i said, i wasn't having a go. it just interests me that when people say (not you) they support the club but only go to away games how that is indeed supporting the club? as far as i know, bcfc benefits little from away support in comparison to home support.. i may be wrong, but i suspect not. so it confuses me how adding to the away support somehow shows a lack of support for sb, whereas supporting at home is somehow supporting sb...i don't see it suppose.. :unsure:
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the quality of the opposition produces sell outs at st andrews and not the quality of the football from Birmingham City. That and only that is the true reason for poor attendances,so go on admit it its not the prices or the shame of relegation or the fear that if we go up we will come straight back down or the other paragraphs of excuses held in reserve when faced with the true reality that our support is pathetic.
Good point B25
Our support currently is pathetic
But with the right leadership and some real ambition shown by whoever (current board,new benefactor,a Russian tycoon,a German tycoon,a Japanese tycoon,an American racoon whoever and whenever) ...this club could have MASSIVE support
Success will soon change that
Look at the global following Liverpool have these days......just 40 odd years ago,they were NOBODIES in English football
And Chelsea were festering in the old 2nd division as recently as the late 1980's
Newcastle United have a massive following but their last trophy success was 37 years ago....look how often they change managers .....the sheer anger vented at Gullit and Souness soon put paid to their short stints at St James Park....perhaps know they might feel they should have given Sir Bobby Robson a little more time instead of demanding instant victories...seems Glenn is having problems too at the moment....perhaps the same gypsies infiltrated Tyneside back in 1906 ??? LOL :silence:
At the end of the day it's all about success as well as expectation
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i think that most fans are worried about next season i was untill i realised that it not worth bothing about anymore. there has been little change in the way we play for the last 2years and the only reason we are getting results is because of the poor oposition in this league. this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more? dont forget everyone has the right to voice an opinion. me well i dont care anymore if SB stays or goes and have lost that enthusiasum for football in general not just blues. now wheres me arm chair. :D
this type of attitude is such a shame... I have met you Alan and know that you love (ed) the blues so I can't see why you have fallen out of love with the game and the blues... why do you think this is?
like you said everyone is entitled to an opinion and I honestly believe if we were still in the prem then people like you would still be going the match... SB, tactics etc are excuses not to go.... I know that this is to be expected and accept that this is the way football is... what I do hope is that maybe you as you are not going the game you can be a bit more positive from your arm chair... we are third, keeping clean sheets and scoring goals! what is there to be negative about? yes the performance on sat wasn't the best... but if you are not at the game all you have to go by is the facts and stats...
(sorry mate this isn't directed just at you... more an open request... I used your reply as it was the first one I read)
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
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I think the only issue that we differ on in this area is the culpability (or otherwise) of the Blues board.
I get the feeling that you largely exempt them from blame as it is a wider football issue, but I am more critical of them because :
- in the KB era Blues have embraced the greedy/moneymoneymoney/rip-off mentality even more enthusastically than most other clubs
- the Blues board could have taken a stance against crass commercialism & made Blues an exception to the cynicism that has disenchanted so many fans
- ultimately I only care about Blues; other clubs can do whatever they want
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Nov 13 2006, 10:04 AM
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
Good point proccy
Oh! for the likes of Shankley,Cloughie,Paisley,Revie,Matt Busby etc Today we have to witness the unsporting antics of Messrs Wenger and Mourhino and players nationwide diving all over the place to win PK's (are you reading AJ ???) ........plus shocking standards of refereeing Yes,as entertainment ,the game is found wanting these days
But with global coverage,HUGE CHUNKS OF CHANGE and instant fame beckoning as soon as you get to Cardiff (or hopefully the new Wembley if the builders stop pharting about) ...it's still the greatest game on the planet
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Nov 13 2006, 10:06 AM
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i think that most fans are worried about next season i was untill i realised that it not worth bothing about anymore. there has been little change in the way we play for the last 2years and the only reason we are getting results is because of the poor oposition in this league. this way of playing will not work in the prem so what is the point any more? dont forget everyone has the right to voice an opinion. me well i dont care anymore if SB stays or goes and have lost that enthusiasum for football in general not just blues. now wheres me arm chair. :D
this type of attitude is such a shame... I have met you Alan and know that you love (ed) the blues so I can't see why you have fallen out of love with the game and the blues... why do you think this is? like you said everyone is entitled to an opinion and I honestly believe if we were still in the prem then people like you would still be going the match... SB, tactics etc are excuses not to go.... I know that this is to be expected and accept that this is the way football is... what I do hope is that maybe you as you are not going the game you can be a bit more positive from your arm chair... we are third, keeping clean sheets and scoring goals! what is there to be negative about? yes the performance on sat wasn't the best... but if you are not at the game all you have to go by is the facts and stats... (sorry mate this isn't directed just at you... more an open request... I used your reply as it was the first one I read)
believe mate i dont care about the prem i got fed up basicly of all the arguing on here that i finaly gave up.
it's the realisation of just being a £ sign inreality i felt let down by the club as a supporter.
i read and listen to mates who have attended the game and all i here is nothings changed , even from friends i have that support SB they say as long as we are winning performance is nothing
i myself think that if your going to watch football then you should be entertained , in the last couple of years i hav'nt seen any bar a couple of games.
i'm not bitter or against blues now infact i think i'm a lot happier with my desision.
as you can see i hav'nt joined in with bruce in out hoky cocky debates, other than take the P
thing is i can go to games and probably enjoy it more.
now wheres my arm chair :D
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Nov 13 2006, 10:10 AM
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
too right mate it's changed so much now that it's hard to get enthused about a bunch of people the do basicaly bagger all but get stupid money.
gone is the time you could honestly say a player loves the club he's at.
loyalty has been wipped out by the big cash prise being a footballer.
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Nov 13 2006, 10:12 AM
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
too right mate it's changed so much now that it's hard to get enthused about a bunch of people the do basicaly bagger all but get stupid money. gone is the time you could honestly say a player loves the club he's at. loyalty has been wipped out by the big cash prise being a footballer.
thats what I expected... money is killing the game! but we can't let the fat cats win :(
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Nov 13 2006, 10:16 AM
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i can't answer for alan or anyone else, only for me jassy. it's not just the blues i'm disenchanted by it's the whole "game". it used to be fun and i felt a part of something, now i feel disenfranchised by football. it's not the sport i grew up playing and watching anymore, it appears as merely a marketing excercise to maximise revenue for the clubs, fa, prem league and sky tv. i have sky sports and subscribe to prem plus at £80 for the season - i have yet to watch a match i am so disillussioned with footy now. i heven't enjoyed blues since the 2nd season of prem footy when the cynicism caught up with me. i still went, until this season, and now i wonder if i'll ever go back and it saddens me deeply that the young 'uns of today will never know the game us older 'uns knew. it was for everybody then, not the wealthy few..... :(
too right mate it's changed so much now that it's hard to get enthused about a bunch of people the do basicaly bagger all but get stupid money. gone is the time you could honestly say a player loves the club he's at. loyalty has been wipped out by the big cash prise being a footballer.
thats what I expected... money is killing the game! but we can't let the fat cats win :(
i know mate but how can we stop em .
just look at next season ever club will get 28/29 mill just for being in the prem.
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