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Big Fish - Little Fish; Do you really want the Premiership?
Topic Started: Nov 12 2006, 01:46 PM (507 Views)
Bruceand Bradyfan
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Now I know that sounds a bit provocative and it's not intended to be, but I think we might be in a rush to get somewhere that isn't that nice when you get there?

I was as brassed off as anyone at the Norwich match and everyone was at a low ebb for a while afterwards, but now we seem to have repositioned ourselves nicely - not forgetting we have another 28 games or so to play.

Well of course we all want to get automatic promotion but what then? unless you are one of the top six it's not that much fun. I want to see Rooney et al at BCFC but with an even chance of winning.

Sure we get some money but that won't attract the players we need to compete at a top 6 level. Even if we had more money, the players who can deliver won't come unless they think they can play in Europe or get a medal. So incremental improvement over three years with good cup runs might start attracting the players who aren't in the twighlight of their career. Furthermore 30,000 tickets won't provide the revenue we need to buy the best people. Look at the capacity of the top grounds and their ticket prices? I wonder if Mourinho could manage BCFC and all that goes with it?

So maybe we are all being a bit hasty, If we do go up next year lets keep our feet on the ground for 3 - 5 years knowing that we have an outside chanece against the money6
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garrybaldy
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I think this post is very provocative........ How very dare you :copno:
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tevets
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Sorry for probably seeming negative, again, but where is the ambition?

We had exactly what you describe and threw it away without a fight. We should have been in a position now to be expecting top half prem finishes and at least giving the top 6 a run for their money.

This club has always had the potential to be bigger than it has. The support is there, when it has not been alienated, but for some reason the ambition, throughout the club, never matches the potential.
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When you look at Bolton and Boro playing UEFA Cup football, yeah, it kinda makes the Premiership look like the place to be. Sure Milwall managed to get there via an incredibly helpful set of draws to the FA Cup final (which could so easily have been ours had we really gone for it against Sunderland but I digress) but Milwall was a fluke, once in a generation type event.

The Premiership is the place to be, even more so when the new TV deals come in and the top teams get an even larger slice of the pie.
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Joe
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I know what you are saying.
If we go up all we will be doing is fighting relegation year on year.
If the owners actually spent proper sums of money on outstanding talent and stopped going for short term loans etc, and the manager picked the right players (I'm sure he won't go down the Pandiani/Izzet/Melchiot route again) we might challenge for Europe or a trophy.
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The Premiership is where every club wants to be!
If you're there for 1 season and then get relegated, its o.k!
You were playing in the Premier League!
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The vast majority of the clubs in the Premiership have no realistic prospect of winning it. Eventually it will need to be restructured as it is not viable in the long term in it's present form.

For the moment, we are better of being in the Prem as we will be well positioned when the league is restructured.
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07blues08
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Birmingham City are a Premiership team!

Its as simple as that!
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kpardhan
Nov 12 2006, 06:23 PM
Birmingham City are a Premiership team!

Its as simple as that!

No we are not, we are a championship side with ambitions of getting into the premiership.
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Nov 12 2006, 06:23 PM
The vast majority of the clubs in the Premiership have no realistic prospect of winning it. Eventually it will need to be restructured as it is not viable in the long term in it's present form.

For the moment, we are better of being in the Prem as we will be well positioned when the league is restructured.

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I read something the other day about how europian law means that the franchise system much like american football might become the norm (if a nameless dutch euro mp gets his way) this will mean celtic and rangers being able to play in the prem,the top clubs in europe being able to form thier own league etc etc its said it will be a massive shake up of the game and the league structures as we know them being history.

I dont know if this is true,but i read it in the buisness section,so who knows

makes you think doesnt it ohh and the vote will be taken in the next few months
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Bruceand Bradyfan
Nov 12 2006, 02:46 PM
Now I know that sounds a bit provocative and it's not intended to be, but I think we might be in a rush to get somewhere that isn't that nice when you get there?

I was as brassed off as anyone at the Norwich match and everyone was at a low ebb for a while afterwards, but now we seem to have repositioned ourselves nicely - not forgetting we have another 28 games or so to play.

Well of course we all want to get automatic promotion but what then? unless you are one of the top six it's not that much fun. I want to see Rooney et al at BCFC but with an even chance of winning.

Sure we get some money but that won't attract the players we need to compete at a top 6 level. Even if we had more money, the players who can deliver won't come unless they think they can play in Europe or get a medal. So incremental improvement over three years with good cup runs might start attracting the players who aren't in the twighlight of their career. Furthermore 30,000 tickets won't provide the revenue we need to buy the best people. Look at the capacity of the top grounds and their ticket prices? I wonder if Mourinho could manage BCFC and all that goes with it?

So maybe we are all being a bit hasty, If we do go up next year lets keep our feet on the ground for 3 - 5 years knowing that we have an outside chanece against the money6

I regret to admit that I reckon you are spot on.

I prefer winning, even one nil, to sending out a defensive team and settling for the odd nicked point. What we saw last year is what we are likely to end up with even with quite big transfer budgets and wage bills.

the top players have never come to brum for long in their prime - and probaly never will

and us the fans have always been manic depressives who only ever see the dark side of life!!!!

we are a yoyo team- we always were, even in our (relative) glory days in the seventies etc

and I prefer the fun of yo yoing up than the misery of going the other way!!!
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Bruceand Bradyfan
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Like all of you I want to go to the Premiership and there are some good points made about restructuring etc and i think it's innevitable as the sameold sameold annual pattern seems to be a bit boring and it does affect our national side when our nationals are not playing in Europe because they are being kept out by internationals. SB also had a point when he said the Premiership side was given preference over us during the Liverpool game. (definate penalty). So the Premiership needs reconsidering anyway. The league Cup is losing credibility and the big 6 don't play their first team until the latter stages so English football is at risk and maybe the top 6 need to be removed to a bigger league and number of nationals in a team should form part of the rules

However, In the long term i think we need a bigger ground and it was a shame that we didn't get it in a simlar way to Manchester City. Rebuilding the main stand would be good money after bad. A bigger stand would attract bigger matches as extra revenue and make us a more credible club tyhat may attract players. If we did get a successful team and filled it we would be able to fill it with better ticket prices and compete with the big boys commercially.

So lets be successful but keep it real until we get a billionaire who never had a train set when he was a kid and wants to run BCFC as a hobby. It hasn't done Portsmouth any Harm but i don't think they can sustain it for the long term.They couldn't fill a bigger ground.

Anyway KRO because the next three games for us and Cardif are crucial and it will be a real test.
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Bruceand Bradyfan
Nov 13 2006, 11:03 AM
Like all of you I want to go to the Premiership and there are some good points made about restructuring etc and i think it's innevitable as the sameold sameold annual pattern seems to be a bit boring and it does affect our national side when our nationals are not playing in Europe because they are being kept out by internationals. SB also had a point when he said the Premiership side was given preference over us during the Liverpool game. (definate penalty). So the Premiership needs reconsidering anyway. The league Cup is losing credibility and the big 6 don't play their first team until the latter stages so English football is at risk and maybe the top 6 need to be removed to a bigger league and number of nationals in a team should form part of the rules

However, In the long term i think we need a bigger ground and it was a shame that we didn't get it in a simlar way to Manchester City. Rebuilding the main stand would be good money after bad. A bigger stand would attract bigger matches as extra revenue and make us a more credible club tyhat may attract players. If we did get a successful team and filled it we would be able to fill it with better ticket prices and compete with the big boys commercially.

So lets be successful but keep it real until we get a billionaire who never had a train set when he was a kid and wants to run BCFC as a hobby. It hasn't done Portsmouth any Harm but i don't think they can sustain it for the long term.They couldn't fill a bigger ground.

Anyway KRO because the next three games for us and Cardif are crucial and it will be a real test.

Have to say i thought your thread was not very good, the typical attitude why wew are were we are, people being happy with Coca Cola rubbish is just about the attitude of some Bluenoses, so i take it you dont want to get promoted?

Oh and why are the next 3 game "crucial"?

No more after that then?
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B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
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take a good look at the season 2003-2004 review and smell the optimism amongst the players and steve bruce.I watched it yesterday just for the hell of it amd you could taste the positive vibes.....top ten finish that season.we were sitting nicely at xmas and savage and forsell talking uefa cup and champions league.Then in the window we made the exciting purchase of Tiny Taylor despite steve bruce quoting we had 19 outfield players....now press the pause button and think for a minute at that moment what an opportunity was missed.
Is the manager the ONLY one to blame ????????
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Nov 13 2006, 01:04 PM
take a good look at the season 2003-2004 review and smell the optimism amongst the players and steve bruce.I watched it yesterday just for the hell of it amd you could taste the positive vibes.....top ten finish that season.we were sitting nicely at xmas and savage and forsell talking uefa cup and champions league.Then in the window we made the exciting purchase of Tiny Taylor despite steve bruce quoting we had 19 outfield players....now press the pause button and think for a minute at that moment what an opportunity was missed.
Is the manager the ONLY one to blame ????????

Spot on Yewtree. We blew a fantastic opportunity to win the FA cup and/or qualify for Europe that season.

I do hold Bruce largely responsible because his talk in December / January was about making signings in the summer to "take us to the next level" and he allowed complacancy to seep into the team.
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Nov 13 2006, 01:04 PM
take a good look at the season 2003-2004 review and smell the optimism amongst the players and steve bruce.I watched it yesterday just for the hell of it amd you could taste the positive vibes.....top ten finish that season.we were sitting nicely at xmas and savage and forsell talking uefa cup and champions league.Then in the window we made the exciting purchase of Tiny Taylor despite steve bruce quoting we had 19 outfield players....now press the pause button and think for a minute at that moment what an opportunity was missed.
Is the manager the ONLY one to blame ????????

We failed because we became everything I didn't want us to become. Instead of a club that went out and found players (such as Bolton) we became a club where the players found us (such as v***la under Gregory)

We appear to have taken the cheaper and easier option of buying players from some tacky agent with a briefcase full of 'best of' DVDs. Wether this is all SB's fault we'll probably never know. Maybe he asked for a better scouting system, maybe he didn't.


Now we're doing well in the league but what happens when the Arsenal lads go back at the end of the season? Have we got somebody doing the legwork, out there finding players or will we make the same mistakes again?
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But we don't need top class players. Top class players all come with their own individual hang ups about being top class and cause the associated problems.

What we need is a top class manager, like our inbred cousins in B6. There they have found a manager who is turning the proverbial sows ear into a silk purse.

They were almost relegated along with us last season and now look at them and they are looking seriously at a european comp next season.
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Bruceand Bradyfan
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I do want promotion but we are hardly likely to go and win something especially if the Arsenal lads go home. I'm just trying to be realistic. It's fine saying we want to be the best but it isn't only the football these days and it will take time and lots of money.

I was hoping for Europe as we went into the third seaon and looking back it was unrealistic. That's all i'm saying. It's not about aspiration it's about taking a practical view.

The nect three games for us are crucial because Cardif have a Psychological advantage at the moment and I don't think they can stay there at the top. The quicker we knock them off the top will be the sooner they start tailing off.

By December their small squad will be getting tired and when the after christmas push comes we need to be at the top with all the confidence that that brings to our new team.

With todays news of Upson and Dunne we should have a couple of million to by a couple of players

Upson wants to move to a bigger club i don't blame him he must think he's missing out on caps and medals. Pennant is in a better position than him even though Liverpool aren't playing that well - that sums my point up i think

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Willie
Nov 12 2006, 06:27 PM
kpardhan
Nov 12 2006, 06:23 PM
Birmingham City are a Premiership team!

Its as simple as that!

No we are not, we are a championship side with ambitions of getting into the premiership.

Now,there's negativity if I ever saw it
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Nov 15 2006, 09:10 AM
Willie
Nov 12 2006, 06:27 PM
kpardhan
Nov 12 2006, 06:23 PM
Birmingham City are a Premiership team!

Its as simple as that!

No we are not, we are a championship side with ambitions of getting into the premiership.

Now,there's negativity if I ever saw it

That isn't negativity, it's a statement of fact
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Bruceand Bradyfan
Nov 14 2006, 09:51 AM
I was hoping for Europe as we went into the third seaon and looking back it was unrealistic.

it was absolutely realistic, we just blew it
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Willie....you might want to change your signature, 'be the best you can be' think you get the picture!

Being in the premiership will be more money for the board...so maybe we wont have each individual blade of grass sponsered next year when they become desperate for more!

Also being in the premiership is higher than being a top team in the championship wether we are losing or not, id rather see Thierry Henry than Kevin Phillips....and Gerrard than Koumas. Getting results of the big teams when we do is always going to be more of a sense of achievement than beating baggies! So can people stop complaining and just keep right on! ~ Blues are a premiership team!

KRO!
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Forward62
Nov 15 2006, 10:02 AM
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Nov 15 2006, 09:10 AM
Willie
Nov 12 2006, 06:27 PM
kpardhan
Nov 12 2006, 06:23 PM
Birmingham City are a Premiership team!

Its as simple as that!

No we are not, we are a championship side with ambitions of getting into the premiership.

Now,there's negativity if I ever saw it

That isn't negativity, it's a statement of fact

**thumbup correct, but not how some people interpret things i'm afraid..we all want us to be premiership and there's no harm in that - but at this moment we're not... :(
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