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Mr Sullivan; in the Mail (merged)
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Topic Started: Jan 9 2007, 01:38 PM (2,790 Views)
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The Concerned Potato Head
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Jan 10 2007, 10:52 PM
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- hirsty
- Jan 10 2007, 10:46 PM
- The Concerned Potato Head
- Jan 10 2007, 10:40 PM
it's funny cuz it's true! naw, mine was on the page with the large pic of Sully and Bruce, under A. Glenn :ph43r:they edited like every sentence.
3 things - did they ask your permission before publishing, did they ask permission to edit (i.e. was it a true reflection of your post), and any chance of a transcript for those of us who don't get (or can't get) the Birmingham Mail ?? KRO, C.
1. no they didnt ask at all
2. they edited it SIGNIFICANTLY
3. here was the original that i posted on the icbrum forums
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i posted this on the Blues forum.... "it seems the only thing the 'supporters' are supporting is high prices and a board that doesnt give a toss about Birmingham fans and the price riles me up especially because it was an FA Cup game. an FA Cup game is supposed to be 'magic'. the kind game you take your child to see their first game, not have greedy chairmen grab every penny they can get and forcing people to spend their last disposable pound coin. i hope to god the board will have been shaken by the turnout the other night and do the right thing like Wigan ae doing and significantly lower the prices just to get fans back in the habit of coming regularly again. for too many fans, going to St. Andrew's is a once in a month thing, or even worse a once in season thing. there are 10's of thousands more fans that SHOULD be packing St. Andrew's every week, but only 20,000 supporters can financially afford to go. ask any Blues fan, if i give you a free-ticket, they would do EVERYTHING to make sure they get to the game. i personally would cancel everything to get there. the board should be looking at Borussia Dortmund and how they've managed to have the highest attendances in Europe for about 3 years in a row despite not winning anything since 1997 and being resigned to just being a midtable club who don't even compete for titles. at Dortmund they have fan clubs set up all over the region (which you can find on the club's website) and they're organised and have fan club representitives dedicated to recruiting fans and creating a partizan atmosphere every game. they turn their games into rock concerts/carnivals with virtually no empty spaces just look at the amount of fanclubs all over Germany they have, more than 500 registered fan clubs, how many do we have? about 12? http://www.borussia-dortmund.com/?%9A%5D%1B%E4%F4%9Dour club has nowhere near the amount of closeness to it's fans ast Dortmund do. in fact most of our fans have been disillusioned with our board since January 2006 where we chose not to save ourselves and surrendered Premiership status Dortmund isnt even a big city, it's about as big as Sheffield, but they manage to attract fans, they manage to keep fans even when they're mediocre Bundesliga team, every game they look forward to, every game they can afford to go, every game their is a great atmosphere produced by the entusiastic crowd with their banners and flags. for Dortmund, gaining fans was a project that has worked 100%, in fact it's kept the club alive during their dire financial troubles. it's not just Dortmund either, it's all over Germany they're following the same model as Dortmund and an important factor is, games are dirt cheap to get too. most fans spend more money on beer than the ticket you all need to stop supporting a board that doesnt support the club, they have had the club that has carried THE team of the UK's Second City for how long and achieved what? a board that was really driven to turn this powerhouse of a city's football club into a footballing powerhouse would have us at the top end of the Premiership regularly by now. no other team has such potential in this country than Birmingham City. stop settling for second best whether in ticket prices, or investments on cheap has-been players and loaning every player in sight because they're so stingy, mistreating dedicated fans, choosing to not upgrade or build a new stadium worthy of being the home of Birmingham's football team. even their 100 year celebration of St. Andrews looked embarrassingly cheap compared to Arsenal's opening of the Emirates stadium TBH i can't believe the board have had the nerve to come at people and question pur fans' loyalty. this is Birmingham City, this is how we express to the country our love for our home town and the regional capital for the Midlands, for those that already support this club, there is NO other club to support, being a Blues fan is not something you toss aside when things arent going well. i would class myself as a relatively new fan and i KNOW that i will stick with Birmingham City FC until i or the club is dead. i see they're making Stoke a Grade A fixture btw (i don't class North Staffordshire as a local derby) and even more shocking, Leeds Utd as a Grade A game too whereas if i went to Italy, a person can get good seats for Inter Vs Milan for just €8 pathetic. and we'll get rubbish attendances for those games too and the board will moan again. we have a board that is not just only out of touch with the average Brummie but out of touch with football altogether. being successful is not their top priority, making more money is their only priority and i wish we'd stop treating them like messiahs. dont let the board brainwash you into thinking this is a small club that has most of it's fans in the Bullring every Saturday afternoon. this is a massive club with a massive fanbase but because of the nievety of the board, we havent developed a massive supporter base that can regularly get down the ground. when a school has bad test results who is blamed? not the students, but the people at the top. the students are the one's who should feel let down by the school and it's the same with a football club, the blame rightly starts at the top. it is the sole resposibility of the club to get fans to St. Andrew's every week and they're FAILING. and they're failing because they're clueless. forget the Newcastle fans, those 4,000 were 4,000 of their wealthier fans, the kinda fans that can comfortably afford the train journey to Birmingham and back AND pay for the ticket AND pay for food and drink. that doesnt make then more hardcore or loving of their club than we are. there, i got it all of my chest.... and i had to say every word because i love this club and it's fans i'm personally just sick and tired of this club drowning in its own tears and accepting it. when all it takes is a little ambition, a little common sense to get us to where this club should be"
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"it seems the only thing the 'supporters' are supporting is high prices and a board that doesnt care about Birmingham fans
The price riles me up especially because it was an FA Cup game.
The FA Cup game is supposed to be magic. the kind game you take your child to see their first game, not have greedy clubs grab every penny
i hope the board will be shaken by the turnout the other day and follow the lead of Wigan who are lowering the prices to get the fans back regularly.
For too many fans, going to St. Andrew's is a once in a month thing
there are thousands more fans who shoud be packing the ground every week, but only a portion of us can financially afford to go regularly
I can't believe the board have had the nerve to question our fans' loyalty. this is Birmingham City, there is NO other club to support, being a Blues fan is not something you toss aside when things arent going well.
i see Stoke and Leeds have been made Grade A fixtures. shocking. Again we'll see poor crowds and the board will moan.
we have a board that is out of touch with the average football fan and the average Brummie
funny how the cut out the pro-Brummie propaganda which would make the vilers uncomfortable and paranoid
"this is Birmingham City, this is how we express to the country our love for our home town and the regional capital for the Midlands"
"they have had the club that has carried THE team of the UK's Second City for how long and achieved what? a board that was really driven to turn this powerhouse of a city's football club into a footballing powerhouse would have us at the top end of the Premiership regularly by now. no other team has such potential in this country than Birmingham City."
they also cut out all my suggestions. and most of the criticism of the board tomatoes
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Jan 10 2007, 10:54 PM
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- The Concerned Potato Head
- Jan 9 2007, 08:26 PM
- PACHSU
- Jan 9 2007, 06:16 PM
The Concerned Poatato Head - shouldn't that read the Concerned Nob Head?
You show a total lack of respect and I find your post offensive to the extent that I feel I should raise this with Admin.
You need to apologise for you comments.
lmao wow, ha ha, very witty PACHSU.... yes i am fully aware that some of my posts recently (especially those aimed at the board) have been very strong, but also very emotional too. i certainly wouldnt have made the posts if i didnt care about Birmingham. my heart is in the right place. and yes admin was probably right to remove my last post in this thread. i do apologise but i made those posts not because i'm disrespectful, but because i can't see a prosperous future for Birmingham City with a penny-pinching board who blame everyone else but themselves. they have given me no reason to believe that we will ever be where we should be, and until they do so, i will continue to criticise strongly but fairly. i DO NOT want a scenario where go down the Doug Ellis route. i DO NOT want animosity between board and fans. all i wish is for some people to start showing some ambition.
Bring back ken Whelan tomatoes
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Jan 10 2007, 10:59 PM
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- chudlt
- Jan 10 2007, 10:54 PM
is that ronnie's dad ?
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Jan 11 2007, 11:21 AM
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i will add my 5p worth, people say the board are penny pinching and have no ambition etc etc. and of course everyone is entitled to opinions.
But that still does not take away the fact that they have given this manager around 45 million to spend on players since he has been here.
And the result is Blues are still where they were (in the same division) when this manager took over.
Blues spent more than anyone in this league in the summer, now people want more money spent.
How much money does this manager need?
I think its about time people started analysing just what all this money has been spent on.
Bruce has been more than backed in the transfer market, without producing results,in any other industry he would have been sacked.
I for one can understand the boards lack of enthusiasm to give him more. But of course more players will be signed, then in 6 months time he will be begging for more money.
For me the problem is not in the board room, they run this club quite successfully off the field, the problem lies with the playing side and who runs that???
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Jan 11 2007, 12:22 PM
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bb64 of all the people employed at Birmingham City you can find only blame for one man :boohoo:
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Jan 11 2007, 12:37 PM
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- B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
- Jan 11 2007, 12:22 PM
bb64 of all the people employed at Birmingham City you can find only blame for one man :boohoo:
Just the same as some people blame the board for everything?
We all have opinions, not saying mine is right, its just an opinion. **thumbup
And has i have said before i do like to makes these debates a little more interesting!
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Jan 11 2007, 12:56 PM
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they are all to blame or no one is to blame.The manager needs to be motivated by those that manage him so that he in turn can motivate those that work under him.So if the team manager is to blame then so are his superiors ....i do enjoy interesting debates :banghead:
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Jan 11 2007, 01:00 PM
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i blame the tea lady she never has the right amount of buiskets
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Jan 11 2007, 01:07 PM
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- Bookemdanno
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- tiltontrev
- Jan 9 2007, 08:18 PM
I dont care what people think about `my type` clearly not on our own,the working class man is not abadoning his club he`s being driven away from it.
Your average family has a mortgage,kids,car,bills to pay for FIRST and for me £30 would take too much of a large chunk out of what remains to justify spending it on division 2 football match.
I couldn't agree more. Its not just the parents who can struggle tho. I go as i don't have any ties and am lucky enough to be able to afford it. But as a parent you have responsibilites, and food on the table, heating, fuel to get to work takes priority. Football is secondary. How about someone on the average wage, with no family to support? Lets say earns around 20k per year. £1200 after tax per month. Rent and Bills about £800 per month (going by girlfriends figures). My fuel bills £100 per month so say that. Mobile phone £30 per month. Internet £25 per month. Car insurance is £30 per month. ........NO SKY, can't afford it!!! That leaves £215 per month. Take £150 for food per month. Leaving £65 per month to splash out that month. That is providing you don't have any credit card bills to pay. Take two home matches at £25 each. Will leave you £15 and are you not going to have aything to eat drink at the club no beer at £2.70 a pint, no program at £3.00. If not you got £15 to enjoy for the whole month. **thumbup :( Get a grip Sullivan.
Not being able to afford it is different to it being too expensive. On the main site yesterdya the club were advertising for people to sell the matchday lottery thing. Commission only plus you get in for free. How many people went for that ? I'll bet very few because people these days dont want to work for it.
I used to sell those, and we were allowed to sit in any available seat, that was until the place got crammed to the rafters and the stewards used to get heavy, forcing you to either find a seat or you will be removed! Of course with sellouts you have a problem. So while working there i payed top price for a season ticket. Oh, ...did i forget to mention, you have to sell up until the tunstyles close. So by the time you've cashed up, you have missed the first 30minutes!
I also returned from a holiday to find that they have abolished the Bluenose Bonanza for Mylucky seat a couple of years ago. Ousting the current sellers, without the courtesy of a phone call.
It is an option for somepeople and if your students give them a ring, but don't expect to be treated well.
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Jan 11 2007, 05:40 PM
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i take back what i said about the board
£3m for Vine, you proved us wrong :)
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Jan 12 2007, 12:02 AM
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first of all i would like to welcome rowen to the mighty blues.
but i am realy anoyed at this.!!!!!
how can the board have the gaul to do what they prommised?
what are us moaners going to do now.
this is betyond a joke it's.........it's ......... unforgivable.
i am not a happy bunny i can tell you and if i see DS i'm gonna give him a piece of my mind , not a big piece cus there aint much there but a piece all the same.
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yours lefty. :D
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Jan 12 2007, 12:49 AM
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you misspelt "annoyed" :P
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Jan 12 2007, 12:53 AM
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you misspelt "annoyed" :P
see !! thats how angree i am. :LMAO:
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Jan 12 2007, 12:54 AM
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calm down calm down, im sure we'll find something to moan about tomorrow, probably the game being called off lol
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Jan 12 2007, 12:58 AM
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calm down calm down, im sure we'll find something to moan about tomorrow, probably the game being called off lol
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thats anothr thing , i tell you if they cancel that i'll be fuming.
oh i'm so mad i could rip a tissue. :angry:
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Jan 12 2007, 01:12 AM
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calm down calm down, im sure we'll find something to moan about tomorrow, probably the game being called off lol :D thats anothr thing , i tell you if they cancel that i'll be fuming. oh i'm so mad i could rip a tissue. :angry:
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Ive always liked the bloke, came along at the right time and all that. His biggest problem is he tells it as it is, and not a lot of people like that.Hope he stays forever. :P
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- Bookemdanno
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- tiltontrev
- Jan 9 2007, 08:18 PM
I dont care what people think about `my type` clearly not on our own,the working class man is not abadoning his club he`s being driven away from it.
Your average family has a mortgage,kids,car,bills to pay for FIRST and for me £30 would take too much of a large chunk out of what remains to justify spending it on division 2 football match.
I couldn't agree more. Its not just the parents who can struggle tho. I go as i don't have any ties and am lucky enough to be able to afford it. But as a parent you have responsibilites, and food on the table, heating, fuel to get to work takes priority. Football is secondary. How about someone on the average wage, with no family to support? Lets say earns around 20k per year. £1200 after tax per month. Rent and Bills about £800 per month (going by girlfriends figures). My fuel bills £100 per month so say that. Mobile phone £30 per month. Internet £25 per month. Car insurance is £30 per month. ........NO SKY, can't afford it!!! That leaves £215 per month. Take £150 for food per month. Leaving £65 per month to splash out that month. That is providing you don't have any credit card bills to pay. Take two home matches at £25 each. Will leave you £15 and are you not going to have aything to eat drink at the club no beer at £2.70 a pint, no program at £3.00. If not you got £15 to enjoy for the whole month. **thumbup :( Get a grip Sullivan.
I don't even get that mate, I earn £12,000 a year. Minimum wage is a killer :(
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Jan 14 2007, 08:47 AM
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Ive always liked the bloke, came along at the right time and all that. His biggest problem is he tells it as it is, and not a lot of people like that.Hope he stays forever. :P
Tells it as it is, or tells it as it is in his opinion and in a way which he thinks will get the most reaction. There is a fundemental and not very subtle difference between the two.
In a lot of peoples opinion he's going about it in entirely the wrong way, and it's showing
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Forgot to say, I'm half expecting a whinge in the mail tomoz about the attendance figure at the Leeds game yesterday Posted Image
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I grew up with season tickets in the paddock. I've been on the Kop and in the Tilton. I've stood there from about 10/11 on my own or with friends and we used to run around and really **** off some of the older blokes. In all that time and in all the programmes I've read, I have never heard so much demanding and threatening language as has come from david Sullivan. The short answer is, if he doesn't l;ike it buggar off. Sell up. Go.
The Coombsand S&U stores may have been seen as multi-millionaires, but they weren't. They did their best in their means but they never slagged off the people who couldn't turn up. They never attacked the supporters like this board and this manager have. And the reason I say that is because I'm told by my family, for years and years that the blues fans were the most strident and vociferous fans ever seen in trying to get rid of the board and the manager. And that this board don't know they're born.
I am sick of having D Sullivan wanting me to stop buying the Evening Mail or going into certain bookshops and stop buying the Post or stop using Clubcall. I'm just a pawn in his game of making money. The fact that I am blue and blue right through means nothing to him. Now he tells me that Steve has spent his budget and he's going to do us a favour because I have let him down by being at college 250 miles away and not buying tickets.
Do me a big favour Mr Porn baron. Sell your shares to David and Ralph Gold and buggar off. :Blues:
Top post viv
And let's not forget Mr Sullivan DOESN'T really enjoy the long ,chauffeur driven rides from his Essex mansion to Small Heath once or twice a week.....he has himself admitted this
Maybe he should buy a small car and drive himself...........then we we would NOT be 5 million pounds overdrawn.....after getting rid of 14 players last season and bringing in a nice chunk of change on a few (including 5.5 million for Heskey and 7 million for Pennant) I found this statement quite preposterous TBH
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Jan 14 2007, 11:40 AM
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All this slating of Sullivan etc
How many other clubs go out and buy a 3 million pound striker just days after the manager has clicked his fingers?
He says what he thinks and gets slated, think it would be better for him he he became more of a politician and just spewed out meaningless spin about nothing, trouble is these days people who have an opinion and actually dare to say it are chastised.
He makes statements about the clubs finances and gets slated for it?
How many people on here or any fan of the club for that matter actually KNOW anything about the clubs finances, its all guesswork and opinion.
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Jan 14 2007, 11:44 AM
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All this slating of Sullivan etc
How many other clubs go out and buy a 3 million pound striker just days after the manager has clicked his fingers?
He says what he thinks and gets slated, think it would be better for him he he became more of a politician and just spewed out meaningless spin about nothing, trouble is these days people who have an opinion and actually dare to say it are chastised.
He makes statements about the clubs finances and gets slated for it?
How many people on here or any fan of the club for that matter actually KNOW anything about the clubs finances, its all guesswork and opinion.
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Now make sure your sitting down.
I agree with every word of that. :Blues:
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Jan 14 2007, 11:47 AM
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- Jan 14 2007, 11:40 AM
All this slating of Sullivan etc
How many other clubs go out and buy a 3 million pound striker just days after the manager has clicked his fingers?
He says what he thinks and gets slated, think it would be better for him he he became more of a politician and just spewed out meaningless spin about nothing, trouble is these days people who have an opinion and actually dare to say it are chastised.
He makes statements about the clubs finances and gets slated for it?
How many people on here or any fan of the club for that matter actually KNOW anything about the clubs finances, its all guesswork and opinion.
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Now make sure your sitting down. I agree with every word of that. :Blues:
Scrolled down to your post to expect an argument against!!!
Im glad i was sat down!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
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- bornblues64
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All this slating of Sullivan etc
How many other clubs go out and buy a 3 million pound striker just days after the manager has clicked his fingers?
He says what he thinks and gets slated, think it would be better for him he he became more of a politician and just spewed out meaningless spin about nothing, trouble is these days people who have an opinion and actually dare to say it are chastised.
He makes statements about the clubs finances and gets slated for it?
How many people on here or any fan of the club for that matter actually KNOW anything about the clubs finances, its all guesswork and opinion.
How many club owners can you actually name who have publicly attacked and criticised the club's loyal supporters (many of whom are working class and don't enjoy his sort of lifestyle)
Last season it wasn't the fans but the players(Heskey,Butt,Dunn etc) and he amazingly even lamabasted Dwight Yorke for overdoing a racial slur by a Blackburn fan
The man may be 'business savvy' but he bought BCFC for just over a million if I'm not mistaken.....13 years we on we have 2nd tier football once more and a stadium with one side left still looking like an eyesore,an electronic clock on the way by all accounts but no sign of the 'big illuminated club badge' sign he wanted erected .....why didn't he tell the City Council where to go and put it up anyway.....Ellis would have
Yes,he's done a great job (well reasonbale would be more accurate) but when are we going to see some of his 500 billion pounds of wealth poured into the club.....have you noticed the vast amounts of cash being made available at the likes of Vile,West Ham and Portsmouth ??....just a few years ago these same clubs were struggling to pay their electric bills
The man talks before he thinks and he lost a lot of credibility with me when admitting Steve Bruce was a 'PAL'....thus a sentimental reason to keep the faith with this manager who clearly FAILED at the top level rather than a football one
5 million overdrawn ?? is he kidding after all that cash rolling in from the summer exodus......so what happened to ALL the promises about new players earlier this season ??
Enough said Maybe 'seal it' for a while David
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