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New Main Stand Or New Stadium?
Topic Started: Feb 8 2007, 01:50 AM (1,899 Views)
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Mar 12 2007, 07:44 PM
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I think you know what i would like us to do.

Lets all move onto the next level together and have some vision.

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your undicided then :unsure:
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Mar 13 2007, 12:47 AM
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Mar 12 2007, 07:44 PM
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I think you know what i would like us to do.

Lets all move onto the next level together and have some vision.

:Blues:

your undicided then :unsure:

:LMAO: :LMAO: :lager:
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Mar 13 2007, 12:47 AM
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Mar 12 2007, 07:44 PM
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I think you know what i would like us to do.

Lets all move onto the next level together and have some vision.

:Blues:

your undicided then :unsure:

I hate it when people sit on the fence like that! :P
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Mar 12 2007, 07:34 PM
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Mar 12 2007, 06:41 PM
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Mar 12 2007, 06:14 PM
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Mar 12 2007, 06:02 PM
We can't fill the current ground consistently - and couldn't even when we were doing well in the Prem. There's nothing worse than having a 40-50k capacity stadium with 25k people in it! If we were getting 30k for every game and turning people away - that's the time to think about a new stadium or enlarging the one we've got. Until then it's not even worth considering!

well lets look at the factors that contribute to attendances

team performances

facilities (eg. new stadium)

big name players (the stars of the show)

ticket prices/accessibility

atmosphere/experience

content with the club/satisfaction

^^^all of these could be changed, we don't HAVE to be stuck with the relatively low crowds we get now

we are not a 21,000 fan team, we have a huge fanbase, and we should make use of it and build a stadium that reflects our ACTUAL fanbase (and potential fanbase)

while a new stadium isnt relevant now, at least we're planning for the future early and thinking long term.

this is what some fans fail to see.

just because we are like this now doe'snt meen we will be in 5 years time .

last time we went up into the prem we gained alot of supporters andthere were waiting lists for ST's and that was just getting promoted , thatwould'nt happen in a new ground because we would be ready for it.

Also, it would mean that they could reduce the price of tickets if there were more seats. Because more people at £reduced would be the same if not more than current capacity at £current price if you get the idea.

Meaning that the glory hunter man u, chelsea, arsenal kids could come along to a game.

I took one of my mates to a game before who always claimed 'he wasn't a glory hunter because he supported arsenal all his life'. After one game, he is Birmingham City mad.

Thus, more supporters blah blah...

rest assured there are 10's of 1,000s of similar cases similar to this across the Midlands, Steve

i took 2 mates to St. Andrews for the first time, one for the Reading game, one for Southend, both of them were half-hearted football fans prior to the game.

now they are phoning ME about going to St. Andrews :unsure:

one wanted to go the Derby game but i had to turn him down because it was £30 (which i couldnt afford)
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if anyone had any doubts as to whether a new stadium would vastly increase attendances...

i saw this morning on Teletext that the first game at Wembley, the England under 21 Vs Italy under 21 match sold out completely in a matter of hours and 60,000 are expected to attend.

it's not even a competitive fixture, it's just a match to test security etc and yet 60,000 have come, mostly to see the stadium.

can somone tell me what is the highest attendance ever for an international Under 21 game?
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definately a new stand, i virtualy grew up on the terraces and im just getting used to leaning back and not rolling down the steps. keep our identity aswell as so many clubs have lost theirs by moving.. mk dons my arris.
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Mar 10 2007, 10:47 PM
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Mar 10 2007, 09:22 PM
New main stand.

Who needs a ground with no soul, when we can simply update the main stand and have a decent 40,000 seater which has history and something that is different to other new grounds.

I hate going away now and seeing that all the grounds are a splitting image of each other

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it's the FANS who create soul, not bricks and mortar. and anyway, when it comes to history it's not exactly Anfield is it. the stadium is a symbol of failure and mismanagement

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update the main stand and have a decent 40,000 seater which has history and something that is different to other new grounds.


wouldnt that make it look almost exactly like Elland Road?

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I hate going away now and seeing that all the grounds are a splitting image of each other


i can't recall seeing any stadium in England looking anything like....


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growth and prosperity comes above any reason not to move IMO

that stadium reminds me of man City's ground.
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The Concerned Potato Head
Mar 10 2007, 10:47 PM
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Mar 10 2007, 09:22 PM
New main stand.

Who needs a ground with no soul, when we can simply update the main stand and have a decent 40,000 seater which has history and something that is different to other new grounds.

I hate going away now and seeing that all the grounds are a splitting image of each other

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Who needs a ground with no soul


it's the FANS who create soul, not bricks and mortar. and anyway, when it comes to history it's not exactly Anfield is it. the stadium is a symbol of failure and mismanagement

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update the main stand and have a decent 40,000 seater which has history and something that is different to other new grounds.


wouldnt that make it look almost exactly like Elland Road?

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I hate going away now and seeing that all the grounds are a splitting image of each other


i can't recall seeing any stadium in England looking anything like....


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growth and prosperity comes above any reason not to move IMO

that stadium reminds me of man City's ground.

1. it looks nothing like Man City's ground lol, i'm sure the seat colour for the stadium would be more blue than in the picture

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2. the image is still only a model design, for all we know the design could change radically
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It looks nothing like Man City's ground wtf**

Potato head, do you have any other pics there was a closeup of that glass design on the sides
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i would'nt mind if it did look like man citys ground i think it look great.
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Its got to be a new stadium, I want to see the worlds best teams running out infront of 50,000 blue noses singing KRO in a stadium that they will feel is one of the best in the world. Not to see the best in the world running out to 30,000 bluenoses in a stadium that doesn't even have its breezblocks painted.
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With all the talk of maybe bring safe standing areas, hopefully we will have an area where you can stand and get behind the lads instead of sitting on our hands and looking around at the beautiful stadium we have.
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A better picture I found, click to enlarge.

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a lot of people think the view will be awful just because it is able to showcase athletics. and that it'll be like...

Stadio Delle Alipi


but really the furthest views would be significantly even better than...

Nou Camp

^^and if those are the worst views at the Nou Camp then i'll be looking forward to sitting in the nosebleed seats at the new stadium :LOL:

the tiers at the City of Birmingham stadium are fairly steep, even the bottom tier is fairly steep (which is unusual for retractable bottom tiers) so the views should actually be very good all around the stadium (unlike Block 1 of the tilton where the crumbling Main Stand roof blocks your view of the far corner flag)

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Mar 15 2007, 11:42 AM
Its got to be a new stadium, I want to see the worlds best teams running out infront of 50,000 blue noses singing KRO in a stadium that they will feel is one of the best in the world.

Fantasy island stuff.

If we ever move to a new ground it will be the cheapest possible construction (highest return for our money grabbing owners). When the casino bid was refused David Sullivan said something like "The stadium would have been one of the best around. We may still move but we will have to be much more modest in what we do". i.e. It will be a soulless Reebok/Pride Park/Britannia indentikit stadium.

At least st.andys has some soul and some history.
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Its got to be a new stadium, I want to see the worlds best teams running out infront of 50,000 blue noses singing KRO in a stadium that they will feel is one of the best in the world.

Fantasy island stuff.

If we ever move to a new ground it will be the cheapest possible construction (highest return for our money grabbing owners). When the casino bid was refused David Sullivan said something like "The stadium would have been one of the best around. We may still move but we will have to be much more modest in what we do". i.e. It will be a soulless Reebok/Pride Park/Britannia indentikit stadium.

At least st.andys has some soul and some history.

why do people get the impression that it'll be the cheap stadium?

it'll cost £217m, Millennium stadium cost £126m, the City of Manchester stadium cost £110m

and when did David Sullivan ever say this?

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The stadium would have been one of the best around. We may still move but we will have to be much more modest in what we do".


find the article. because i've read practically every article about it and never heard Sullivan say that.

Birmingham City wouldnt even be paying a single penny towards any of the developments. it'd be funded by investors.

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oh please :rolleyes:

why go on like St. Andrews is a masterpiece of engineering with a special magic about it

what do you mean by soul anyway? the fact that the roof leaks? that it's embarrasingly underdeveloped on one side, that it looks rubbish on the outside? that the facilities are atrocious?

it isnt a beautiful stadium with a world famous facade, it's just cheap cladding and glass now. it lost it's 'soul' when they put seats in and tried to redevelop it. as it is NOW, it's barely different from most of the new 25,000-30,000 two tier bowls you see now, except it just looks worse.

the stadium has seen nothing but heartache after heartache, poor mismanament etc etc etc. hence why people thought the place was cursed. it isnt Disneyland.

and what's to say we couldnt create 'soul' and history in the new stadium?
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The stadium would have been one of the best around. We may still move but we will have to be much more modest in what we do".


find the article. because i've read practically every article about it and never heard Sullivan say that.

Can't find a link and to be honest it wasn't really picked up on the time (might have been in a Tom Ross interview). It was in the context of expressing disapointment at the council's failure to back the bid. A mixture of positivity ("we may build a new stadium anyway") and regret ("but it isn't going to be the world class facility that the casino would have delivered")... or words to that effect.

We have had these owners for 14 years & I haven't seen anything to suggest that they would pay for a Millennium stadium when they could get away with a Pride Park.
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The stadium would have been one of the best around. We may still move but we will have to be much more modest in what we do".


find the article. because i've read practically every article about it and never heard Sullivan say that.

Can't find a link and to be honest it wasn't really picked up on the time (might have been in a Tom Ross interview). It was in the context of expressing disapointment at the council's failure to back the bid. A mixture of positivity ("we may build a new stadium anyway") and regret ("but it isn't going to be the world class facility that the casino would have delivered")... or words to that effect.

We have had these owners for 14 years & I haven't seen anything to suggest that they would pay for a Millennium stadium when they could get away with a Pride Park.

I thought the idea behind the stadium was to go for the Comonwealth games and to host world cup matches and for Brum to have a multi purpose stadium to host other events etc.

You could not do that properly with a Pride park.

If the council do go ahead, i am sure there pride and ego's would get in the way and we would end up having something better than the rest. It will never be a wembly but it will be as good if not better than the rest.

If there going to do this they either do it properly or don't bother at all. DO YOU HERE ME :angry: Council and Blues
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Well by the sounds of it the new stadium is what they are going for.

It was covered off in brief by David Gold on wednesdays 5 live broadcast.

I hope they make it a reality.


:Blues: to a new home and a better of us all.
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what did Gold say about it?
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Think you missing the point somewhere sam, the council want to build a stadium as far as i know & need blues just as much as we need them .
T heir is no point having a stadium that is hardly used, blues would be a partner in the project. I would imagine the plans woul be the same as they were for the casino.
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2014 Commonwealth Games - 8 years away, might not even be in England let alone in Brum

2018 World Cup - might not even be in Europe let alone in England

Is that what we are pinning our hopes of a new stadium on now ?

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what did Gold say about it?

I would like to know this too.. anybody?
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The programme is still available on the BBC website. It's a 3 hour programme but you can fast forward through the first hour (the discussion starts at about 1h05m).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/listen/

choose "Audio on Demand" then when the window opens choose WEDS edition of "Five Live Sport".

It wasn't clear what he meant about the stadium. It was just a one liner. He say it is "the biggest pressure on us".

The programe is worth checking out and i found everything they talked about quite interesting.
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So Lords have stopped a motion to allow a super casino in Manchester.

This is just stailing tactics to give someone some time? They always do it with no clear reason.

But the good news is are project should still go ahead.



Quote from the Yarmouth Mercury

Peers throw out casino plans

28 March 2007

The Government's plans for a super-casino and 16 smaller casinos in towns including Great Yarmouth have been defeated in the Lords tonight.

The decision to site the UK's first super-casino in Manchester was thrown out in the House of Lords by three votes.

In the Commons the Government managed victory by 24 votes, but the plans remain ousted because of the peers'rejection.

There were celebrations in Great Yarmouth when the panel's decision was announced earlier this year. Now the Government has to go back to the drawing board.

Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell said she wanted “to reflect on the outcome” and promised new proposals.


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