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| Eu Parliament Breaks Its New Year No-smoking; resolution..... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 13 2007, 11:35 PM (218 Views) | |
| Hirsty | Feb 13 2007, 11:35 PM Post #1 |
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OK, so I'm still one of those lepers who smoke (and really must try to give up sometime soon), but the EU seem to have shot themselves in the foot over this one : EU parliament breaks its New year no-smoking resolution : The European parliament, which introduced a total smoking ban in all its buildings on January 1, is to break its resolution with the introduction of smoking areas, Green MEP Gerard Onesta said. "We have managed 43 days without tobacco," said Onesta, who is a member of the parliament's administrative office where he was outvoted 12 to one on the move on Monday. In caving in so swiftly on their own smoking ban, the Euro deputies are sending a "horrible political signal" at a time when smoking bans are spreading throughout the EU, as evidenced by France's ban on smoking in public places which came into effect this month, he added. The step back to smoking could also be costly as it will require special air filters in the designated smoking area, said Onesta. The European parliamentary office which took the decision -- comprising the parliament's president and 12 vice-presidents -- has changed its complexion since its reshuffle in January. Late last month the European Commission, the EU's executive arm, declared itself in favour of a smoking ban in public areas throughout Europe and launched a major debate on the need for bloc-wide legislation to bring it about. "Smoke-free policies are very popular among the European citizens, and we have the polls, the numbers to prove that and not just among non-smokers but among smokers," EU Health Commissioner Markos Kyprianou said at the time, as he launched an EU Green Paper on the subject. Consultation on the consultative Green Paper will continue until May 1 after which the commission will follow up on the basis of the responses. Currently the most comprehensive smoking bans are in place in Ireland, which started the trend in March 2004, and Scotland, with the rest of Britain set to follow suit this summer. So run that one by me again ?. I've got nothing against the bans in general, but to change the rules to suit local EU Government offices is taking the Michael, IMO. One rule for the masses, another for the "them" ?? Just thought it was an interesting slant on what is becoming a pretty hot topic..... KRO, C. |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 07:11 AM Post #2 |
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Joe Bradford
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typical money grabbing, twisted politicians... i'm a non-smoker and have never tried one, i think it's an abhorrent habit - however, i support smokers rights to light up in pubs and in public in general provided it's safe to do so. if i want to avoid smoking i just stay away, simple really ennit? :unsure: |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 10:07 AM Post #3 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Over here in Spain, restaurants and bars are given a choice whether to allow smoking or not, if its a bar over 100 square metres it has to have a special no smoking zone, but 99% of the bars where i live have just put a sign on the door saying you are allowed to smoke. The uk is going over the top by outlawing it completely, like everything there should be a choice, but i agree the message sent out by what they are doing in the european parliament is a bit hypocritical b ut what else can you expect. |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 10:19 AM Post #4 |
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Joe Bradford
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gissa job - i want to live in spain.... **thumbup |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 10:26 AM Post #5 |
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Good place to live mate. People are friendly enough, there is no such thing as political correctness etc but whatever you do if you think of coming here do not go and buy an house on one of the "urbanisations" its like a mini england, the spanish rip the **** something rotten, they call them the ghettoes, just like the english complain about pakistanis and indians all living together etc the english do exactly the same. Go to a spanish town learn the language and living here becomes a very enjoyable experience, i just love being able to have anm everyday conversation in my local with my beer, tapas and fags!!! and i dont have to worry about upsettimg anyone by what i say, after living in England i can honestly say the wife and i have no plans to ever return, the first years are hard to adapt but worth it. As for a job mate, sorry, work for myself, if i could offer jobs you would, being a bluenose be most welcome. |
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| veraduckworth | Feb 14 2007, 10:27 AM Post #6 |
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Me too, and then I can start smoking again :LOL: |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 10:29 AM Post #7 |
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Mikael Forssell
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They have put no smoking signs in my local branch of the bank i use, and the staff walk around with the fags cupped inside their hands, its funny, the spanish dont bat an eyelid, a law is there to be ignored over here, its quite good fun, makes you feel like a small kid again. |
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| veraduckworth | Feb 14 2007, 10:31 AM Post #8 |
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Bob Hatton
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Ah yes, those were the days - smoking was compulsory then I seem to remember **thumbup |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 10:31 AM Post #9 |
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Joe Bradford
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appreciate that mate - so when do i start? :D @ vera.... "no" wtf** , separate caves then.... :rolleyes: |
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| veraduckworth | Feb 14 2007, 10:33 AM Post #10 |
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Bob Hatton
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There wouldn't be enough room for you anyway, what with my huge stash of fags... |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 10:33 AM Post #11 |
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Mikael Forssell
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If you can translate english to spanish and vice versa without problems you can start tomorrow im looking for a business partner |
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| veraduckworth | Feb 14 2007, 10:34 AM Post #12 |
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Does being able to call someone a cabbage count? |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 10:36 AM Post #13 |
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Joe Bradford
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Does being able to call someone a cabbage count? [/QUOTE] :LMAO: :LMAO: seriously, there are 'good' translation packages available via the 'net aren't there? how much would i need to invest then, and what would i be doing? |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 10:52 AM Post #14 |
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:LMAO: :LMAO: seriously, there are 'good' translation packages available via the 'net aren't there? how much would i need to invest then, and what would i be doing? [/QUOTE] No mate, the translation packages offered are rubbish, as are the free translation tools on the net, nothing the like the old human brain for translating im afraid, |
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| davekermito | Feb 14 2007, 11:48 AM Post #15 |
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Bornblues64 - Interested to read what you had posted above about Spanish life. My folks are moving out to Spain later this year - and have avoided the coastal 'urbanisations' like the plague as they didn't want a real life 'Eldorado' complete with leathery skin cockneys and nouveau-riche eejuts! Both are fluent in Spanish and have made a big effort to intergrate into the village community life prior to buying a house and have been welcomed with open arms by the locals. Bring on the cheap long weekends! Whereabouts are you then? |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 14 2007, 12:16 PM Post #16 |
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Come on proccy, are you really saying that if we want a social life we must cave in to the damage caused to our health by the minority? Surely the answer should be that if smokers want to smoke, they stay away. As you say, simple >;o) Gazza |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 12:27 PM Post #17 |
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Joe Bradford
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i don't see it as "caving in" - the word social suggests mingling with folk and if some smoke, or have flu or other communicable conditions should we shun them or make them feel less of a citizen? we all have choices tubs, to exercise as we please generally... and the research into secondary smoking effects is less than 100% reliable i understand... |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 12:53 PM Post #18 |
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Santa Pola mate. |
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| Tubs2 | Feb 14 2007, 01:00 PM Post #19 |
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I strongly dispute that passive smoking is harmless. There is plenty of peer reviewed evidence to suggest that it is. The only "evidence" that suggests passive smoking is harmless comes from research funded by the tobacco industry. Hardly without bias. However, lets assume it is. It hurts no one. Let's just assume that smoking is just makes your clothes and hair stink, is unpleasant and is forced on all non smokers in public places. As a non smoker, if I go out and don't smoke, I affect the quality of nobody's enjoyent or life (personlity not withstanding). This isn't just restricted to pubs but all public places. Even catching at bus shellters I have to put up with smokers forcing the toxins down my throat. A smoker however, forces their filth on everybody that they come into contact with whenever they "chose" to smoke. The choice of the non smoker is removed. They either smoke (albiet passively) or give up their social life. A smoker on the other hand is not denied choice in a non smoking world. They can still go out, they just can't smoke in public places. Their human rights are not reduced (unlike the non smokers now), as there are many things we aren't allowed to do in public places, such as have s3x (which is fortunate unless a naked Tubs2 does it for you. In which case you're a sick, sick person). So my reckoning is that right now, we don't have choices. We put up with it, or stay at home and don't venture out. Not even as far as the bus stop. Gazza |
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| proccy_blues | Feb 14 2007, 01:37 PM Post #20 |
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so do we have choices or not? you've listed 2 there.... and like i said, i don't believe the "research" is 100% conclusive on passive smoking, but of course you know better...but it won't stop me from making my 'choice' of going where i want when i want with whom i want...you could consider a face mask, if you're that paranoid.. |
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| Blues | Feb 14 2007, 01:50 PM Post #21 |
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I've been to Glasgow twice since they banned smoking up there and the difference is immense. Apart from the fact that us non-smokers can go home not smelling like an ash tray and sore eyed from all the smoke, the smoker(s) with us smoked less than they normally would, which can only be a good thing. Of course then you've got the t.wats who empty a hotel in the middle of the night because they don't believe that the detectors actually work. They should be made to sleep on the streets. Then you've got the one (no names) who hangs his head out of the window at night to have a fag, falls asleep and leaves me with stiff neck for the remainder of the weekend because of the draught. Inconsiderate buggers they are. It's not just the health issues, they're a total nuisance. |
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| Blue lady | Feb 14 2007, 01:56 PM Post #22 |
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Is that the same one who now lives in a flat where smoking is not allowed and so has his head almost permanently out of the window? :LOL: |
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| bornblues64 | Feb 14 2007, 02:00 PM Post #23 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Well i smoke and if it offends tough, why dont they worry about the fact that most kids are overweight through eating rubbish thus leading to potential health problems in their future, then you get the fat people who cram their faces all day and eat like pigs then squeeze into clothes two sizes too small to show off their fat as if they are proud of it. There are bigger problems around than smoking but its good for the "do good" brigade to get their teeth into. All this passive smoking lark really does my head in, i know who id rather pass my time with and thats a room full of smokers, not some non smokers who think they are holier than god because they dont smoke etc. |
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| davekermito | Feb 14 2007, 02:06 PM Post #24 |
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I've said similar things in the past bornblues64, and as a smoker myself I tend to agree partly. Smoking is and always will be an easy target. I won't repeat what I've posted before but alcohol poses a far greater risk in terms of anti-social behaviour/crime, burden on the NHS, health of the drinker, 'third-party deaths' etc than smoking but still considered sociable and acceptable. There's a 'spin doctor' doing a great job somewhere. But two wrongs do not make a right! And before anyone says anything, I drink loads more than my fair share too. |
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| doc nick | Feb 14 2007, 02:23 PM Post #25 |
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i'm a smoker now i know it's a bad habit and and an awfull one and it'sbad for your health. but it is not illigal and you have a choice to smoke or not to. there is no conclusive proof that passive smoking is dangerouse unless you are in a confined space with and breathing it in for the majority of the day (8 hours was mentioned) this looks like to be true as wheni gave up a couple of years back there was a leflet telling me how healthier i would be if i packed up. it said. after i year i will be have cut my chaves of any illness caused buy smoking by half. after 5 years it will be like i never smoked. so this to me meens that if you dont smoke and your home is smoke free you have as much chyance a anyone else of catching an illness caused by smoking. spending a couple of hours in a pub will do you very little harm at all. it's just subjegating one rights over anothers. that is not eqaulity it is a dictatorship. |
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