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Legalising Cannabis
Topic Started: Feb 14 2007, 02:22 PM (370 Views)
davekermito
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Following on from a point made on another thread, where do you stand on the issue of legalising cannabis?

An estimated one-third of the British population have at least tried cannabis. Is keeping it 'underground' and illegal really worth the money and effort when it could be taxed and regulated? Studies into the Amsterdam 'toleration' of soft drugs have shown there has been no increase in the numbers smoking cannabis.

The drug has no physical addiction properties and (apart from smoking related illness' due to mixing it with tobacco) no-known long term physical or psychological effects. No-one has ever died from an overdose of cannabis.

The effects of the drug are well documented so I won't go into details, but in my experience in Dutch coffee shops, the chilled-out atmosphere and the calming influence are polar opposite to the drunks in a traditional city centre bar.

I'm not promoting the use of cannabis, but interested in what peoples views are. Where's the little stoned emoticon when you need him?
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doc nick
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dont agree with it being legalised.

i do however agree it should be given on prescription for the use of pain relief.

we have enough problems with druggys when it's illigal let alone how bad it would be if it's legal.
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blueblood
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Its not exactly hard for people to get thier hands on it anyway.
make it legal and make money on it through tax or whatever.
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blueblood
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Feb 14 2007, 03:26 PM
dont agree with it being legalised.

i do however agree it should be given on prescription for the use of pain relief.

we have enough problems with druggys when it's illigal let alone how bad it would be if it's legal.

Would have thought it would get rid of the problem of druggys.
If people can buy it over the counter then there is no need for them.
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davekermito
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Feb 14 2007, 02:26 PM
we have enough problems with druggys when it's illigal let alone how bad it would be if it's legal.

We have a far worse problem with drunks!

By taking the criminal element out of a widepread drug (often the 'cash crop' of criminal gangs'), surely this would eliminate the problems?

Just playing devils advocate.
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blueblood
Feb 14 2007, 02:27 PM
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Feb 14 2007, 03:26 PM
dont agree with it being legalised.

i do however agree it should be given on prescription for the use of pain relief.

we have enough problems with druggys when it's illigal let alone how bad it would be if it's legal.

Would have thought it would get rid of the problem of druggys.
If people can buy it over the counter then there is no need for them.

i'm refering to the kids that use it.

where i live there is a big problem with it and if it became legal then it would cause even more anti sosial behaviour.

i see it all the time.
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davekermito
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Not sure what it like around your way, but ALL of the trouble comes from bladdered kids rather than the few lads with a spliff. I would also add that if alcohol was a 'new drug', that would not be legal either.

It's amazing that you can legally buy and use Salvia (smokable extreme hallucinigen), Laughing Gas, Fly Agaric mushrooms (the old magic mushrooms are now illegal), khat (similar effects to cocaine) and all manner of strong herbal highs (BZP, piperizine etc).
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Bluenose4life
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Legalise it and tax it, use the tax from the cannabis to make beer cheaper :D
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davekermito
Feb 14 2007, 02:28 PM
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Feb 14 2007, 02:26 PM
we have enough problems with druggys when it's illigal let alone how bad it would be if it's legal.

We have a far worse problem with drunks!

By taking the criminal element out of a widepread drug (often the 'cash crop' of criminal gangs'), surely this would eliminate the problems?

Just playing devils advocate.

i see more anti social behaviour because of drugs than i do because of drink.

all it meen by legalising it is that more teenagers will see it as ok to use it and then it rets like alcohol and they run amoke causing more problems.
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davekermito
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Feb 14 2007, 02:32 PM

all it meen by legalising it is that more teenagers will see it as ok to use it and then it rets like alcohol and they run amoke causing more problems.

Not true according studies from other countries.

I would hazard a guess that where you live (and where I live) 90% of the kids would have had a cheeky smoke regardless of the law.
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davekermito
Feb 14 2007, 02:35 PM
doc nick
Feb 14 2007, 02:32 PM

all it meen by legalising it is that more teenagers will see it as ok to use it and then it rets like alcohol and they run amoke causing more problems.

Not true according studies from other countries.

I would hazard a guess that where you live (and where I live) 90% of the kids would have had a cheeky smoke regardless of the law.

i can only say what it's like by me.

it's easier to get cannabis than drink where live.
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garrybaldy
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Problem is ( and i make no apology for using this story)

There was a Teenage boy, his name was Richie, Normal run of the mill lad,
He was introduced to canabis by his peers,
He used to smoke a lot of it,
He used to suffer black moods
He started Robbing to get money
He started trying Speed, Acid, Coke and Heroin,

One fateful night he took Methadone
He was found barely responsive next morning
He was rushed to hospital
His Mother, Father and Brother were informed to get to the hospital ASAP
His vital organs had started to shut down,
He was put on life support

Next Morning the Consultant gathered the family in a room,
" Richie is showing no responses, there is no signals from his Brain" he said,
" We strongly advise turning the life support off",
At approx 3pm Richie died, he was 24

Richie told his brother "canabis is harmless" when his brother found out he was taking it as a young teenager,
His Brother tried in vain to make him see sense, His Brother would always be there to help him and to bail him out if he could
His Brother should have been there the night he took methadone,
His Brother is tortured asking " what if"

His brothers name was Garry
you've probably guessed it was Me

Please don't let anyone tell you Canabis is harmless, and don't think Richie is the only one this has happened to. Where i grew up in Knowle there was a big problem with Drugs, there are many i know, that have mental and pyshical problems still, because of over use of drugs

And never let anyone tell you Canabis is harmless

Garry x
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blueblood
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True. People get a buzz knowing they are breaking the law.
Maybe they would turn to harder drugs just because it will be breaking the law.
Who knows.
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BluenoseJoJo
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Would love to see it legalised and out of the hands of drug dealers. Perhaps then it wouldn't be seen as a drug that leads to harder stuff, it's the dealer that encourages that, not the use of cannabis.

Growing it's a real art - imagine what sort of choice over quality and effect you could have if it was sold legally without the stigma and without some scumbag dealer in the equation sticking christ knows what into it. Nice bit of tax income for our greedy Government too, the police's time wouldn't have to be wasted on it any more, less streetfights (never seen a brawling stoner yet) which means less stress on hospitals, less violent crime, less pain for MS and Fibromyalgia sufferers, etc.

Don't see the problem with it (other than proper research needs to be done on the effects of it in the same way as any other licensed drug) but I suppose it's still in the 'all drugs are bad mmmkay' category at the moment.


/edited to add that I'm so sorry about your brother Garrybaldy
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tiltontrev
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I only see cannabis as the first stepping stone on the drug taking ladder,i`ve seen plenty of lads i went to school with who used to like a smoke say `theres nowt wrong with it,its just like drinking` now i see a couple of them heading to the chemist each morning for they`re prescribed hit of methadone.

I wouldn`t advise anyone to try it,might seem cool and glam at first but it only leads to bad things IMO
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doc nick
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has anyone read garrys post?

this is the single, biggest reason it should not be legalised.

sorry to here that that garry it must have been terrible you and your family.

my condolenses.
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davekermito
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Whilst those with an addictive personality may try out other drugs, but I'd expect they would have used other drugs regardless.

A friend of mine (ahem) had smoked weed occasionally (less than once a month) and has never felt the urge to go on to harder drugs.

I think it's too easy to class non-addictive substances along with the various forms of cocaine and opiates.
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davekermito
Feb 14 2007, 03:02 PM
Whilst those with an addictive personality may try out other drugs, but I'd expect they would have used other drugs regardless.

A friend of mine (ahem) had smoked weed occasionally (less than once a month) and has never felt the urge to go on to harder drugs.

I think it's too easy to class non-addictive substances along with the various forms of cocaine and opiates.

true dav but what about the thousands of kids that have an adictive personality that could get hooked on it but for the fact it's illigal.

making it legal will just make alot of those kids try it.

it's not only that but it can make quite normal fun loving people parranoid as well.

there is just to many more problems that come with it.

keeping it illigal is stoppibng some of the things happening.
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davekermito
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Sad to here your story Garry. Truly tragic.

To use a similar comment:

I had a grandad who died 10 years ago. Started drinking at 16. By his thirties was beating my nan, dad and his brothers and sisters. Died age 58 of throat cancer.

I had a great uncle who died last year. Started drinking in his teens. Lost his wife, kids and house through his addiction. Repeatedly stole from my uncle and aunt. Died late 50's.

Yet this addictive substance is legal and positively advertised during mainstream TV?
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garrybaldy
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davekermito
Feb 14 2007, 03:11 PM
Sad to here your story Garry. Truly tragic.

To use a similar comment:

I had a grandad who died 10 years ago. Started drinking at 16. By his thirties was beating my nan, dad and his brothers and sisters. Died age 58 of throat cancer.

I had a great uncle who died last year. Started drinking in his teens. Lost his wife, kids and house through his addiction. Repeatedly stole from my uncle and aunt. Died late 50's.

Yet this addictive substance is legal and positively advertised during mainstream TV?

More needs to be done , and will be about alcohol, it is worse in my mind than drugs, you are right, again i have seen lives destroyed by it

But that is a different topic
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tim
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It's difficult to reason a argument for legalisation when you read a story such as garry's. Heartfelt and truely tragic.

I've smoked a little on several occasions and never had any urge or desire to seek it out as regular thing, so I suppose some people are different to others.

Addictions to any substance can be a killer - but there are people that benefit from the medicinal purposes.

The day my mom told me that my Sister had been over with some 'smoke' I nearly fell off my chair - then she told me she had had the best nights sleep in years. She suffers from Fibromyalgia (severe aching of most muscles in your body).

I'd be happy if they legalised through presciption - I don't think general legalisation is wise though.
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davekermito
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It's excellent relief for MS and glaucoma as well.
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My fear is that if canabis is made legal then A) it gives out the wrng messages about it and B )the so called "cool" law breaking element of it may make it less appealing and so experimenting kids (and adults) will try harder drugs instead. I am however only speculating as I have not and would never touch the stuff myself.

I believe a controlled use of it for MS, fibromyalgia, etc suffers would be a different kettle of fish as long as experiments were done into the long term effects.
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bornblues64
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Been smoking it for years, its funny though if you think about it the only drugs that are illegal are the ones the governments cannot tax, you can go to the doctors, who has been instructed (got a little back hander) from pharmaceutical companies to give his patients their drug over a drug made by someone else and that is ok.

Get a tenners worth of blow on a street corner and you are a druggie, an addict etc

The biggest cause of problems is alcohol yet you can go out drink a bottle of whisky beat the misses and kids and nobody bats and eyelid.

And yes there are cases where people start on cannabis and go on to harder things, but that is not cannabis making you do that it is your own willpower and commonsense.

If this were the case why isnt everybody who started to drink now an alcoholic???

Its down to the individual, i like a smoke, but have never thought about or been tempted to try any "harder" drugs.

Believe me when government work out a way to cultivate and tax it it WILL be legal.
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Bluenose4life
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I used to smoke it when I was younger but never felt the need to go on to other drugs. It depends on the person
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