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The Academy & Steve's Views; Quite astonishing
Topic Started: Mar 1 2007, 04:10 PM (997 Views)
gene autry
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At the weekend Steve Bruce was quoted in an article about The Academy system at clubs.
Most of the article was from Dave Jones ( as Cardiff are blooding and building a fair prorportion of their side from their Academy). Although most of the managers (Southampton, Derby etc) were in favour of extensive Academy interest - that is from 8 or 9 years old - it was Steve that took the headline for the Article.

He doesn't believe in 8 year old's playing for or even being signed up by clubs.
"They should be with their mothers at that age"

He went on to further add that Blues had only produced TWO players capable of senior football. True - he actually said that, in black and white.He went on to name them.
Which I think explains a hell of a lot about his purchasing policy and his long-term attitude. Quick fixes and flash the chequebook.

I think that those youngsters coming out of our Academy must be really heartened by such an insensitive and crushing verdict from their boss.

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BluenoseRich
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Sadler and ...?

He isn't going back to Carter is he?

And I think Sadler is scraping the barrel! :D
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Do you have a link to the article? I'd be interested in reading it in full.

I have long wondered why Bruce is so apathetic towards home-nurtured talent. Is it because our academy isn't good enough? If so, why not? Or does it have something to do with TF's influence in there being a BCFC academy at all?

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Who cares, Bruce can do no wrong. :( :( :(
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stevio11
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And I thought that these lads were the future of our club

Not with SB in charge

Shame really
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Sone Aluko
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Pack your bags boys, you aint gonna get a chance here whilst Bruce is in charge.
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Maybe they all should,close it up and save the money. Surely if some of these lads play for England at a lower level,they have potential for the future.
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Its from The Football Paper I bet. I read it too.
The players he named were Matt Sadler and Darren Carter.
This attitude goes along at the same time we get two under 18s playing for England and an Under 16 drafted into the senior squad at Newcastle.
Crazy.

what does he mean, to go public like that when everyone at the Academy is on a high with the kids making their mark?

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Amazing, he says that he doesn't think 8 year olds should be put under the sink or swim pressures of competitive football and all of a sudden it means 17 and 18 year olds are never going to get a chance?

Wow. Just wow.
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gene autry
Mar 1 2007, 04:10 PM
He doesn't believe in 8 year old's playing for or even being signed up by clubs.
"They should be with their mothers at that age"


Cobblers imo. I was up in London a couple of weeks ago watching 8 year olds play. Some of them were already on Chelsea's books, and the standard of play for such young kids was remarkable. The one thing you have to watch out for though is over coaching at that age, and parent pressure. In the game I watched there was none of that rubbish, so it can be done and be effective.
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baron von bluenose
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no way can youtell if a 8 year old can make its not even full sized pitches,
you can tell if someone has ability but many many fail to get it right with 11 a side, at under ten level its only soccer 7,s (7 a side including goalie)
and belive me i run 2 teams under 10 and under7,and its survival of the tallest the small ens dont stand a chance against a bruiser.
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He has only spoke the Truth about it, Who has come through our academy and strenghtened our side ???. 8 year olds being signed up by professional clubs is ridiculous


IMO Anyway
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steeples
Mar 1 2007, 06:06 PM
He has only spoke the Truth about it, Who has come through our academy and strenghtened our side ???. 8 year olds being signed up by professional clubs is ridiculous


IMO Anyway

I suppose they would have a different view of it at Arsenal, Liverpool ect.

It's just a shame he's not a forward thinker.
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Mar 1 2007, 05:05 PM
no way can youtell if a 8 year old can make its not even full sized pitches,

Who cares, and who is saying that you can. It doesn't matter does it. Playing football or watching Postman Pat and being mollycoddled by mommie. Not much of a choice really. As for it being ridiculous for professional clubs signing kids at that age, well I think I'll go with Chelsea and the rest of the London clubs who don't.
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bornblues64
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gene autry
Mar 1 2007, 04:10 PM
At the weekend Steve Bruce was quoted in an article about The Academy system at clubs.
Most of the article was from Dave Jones ( as Cardiff are blooding and building a fair prorportion of their side from their Academy). Although most of the managers (Southampton, Derby etc) were in favour of extensive Academy interest - that is from 8 or 9 years old - it was Steve that took the headline for the Article.

He doesn't believe in 8 year old's playing for or even being signed up by clubs.
"They should be with their mothers at that age"

He went on to further add that Blues had only produced TWO players capable of senior football. True - he actually said that, in black and white.He went on to name them.
Which I think explains a hell of a lot about his purchasing policy and his long-term attitude. Quick fixes and flash the chequebook.

I think that those youngsters coming out of our Academy must be really heartened by such an insensitive and crushing verdict from their boss.

For me Bruce is right, at that age they should be with their mothers, they should also be enjoying playing a game of football not being shouted at by some over enthusiastic trainer or deranged parent pushing his son to play football.

In my opinion this picking the kids young etc is burning them out, how many english youngsters suffer this, i think loads, let them enjoy their childhood ffs.

For me big clubs etc signing 8 and 9 year olds is ridiculous.
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baron von bluenose
Mar 1 2007, 06:05 PM
no way can youtell if a 8 year old can make its not even full sized pitches,
you can tell if someone has ability but many many fail to get it right with 11 a side, at under ten level its only soccer 7,s (7 a side including goalie)
and belive me i run 2 teams under 10 and under7,and its survival of the tallest the small ens dont stand a chance against a bruiser.

Totally Agreed Dave, I also have Coached at this level, and when you see one kid that shines as an 8, 9, or 10 year old, it really does not mean that thay will continue at that level, going into there Teens, even with extensive quality Coaching.
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bornblues64
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I think 15-16 is the best age, all this competitive football for kids is ridiculous, its funny how 95% have had the skill coached out of them by the time they reach professional level, the kids should be allowed to enjoy their football and express their skills, i have seen kids games and some of the trainers and parents treat them like Champions League games, let kids be kids.
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Plus for every 8, 9, 10 year old that becomes a professional, what exactly happens to the thousands that aren't good enough? Thrown on the scrap heap.

Fair play to Brucey for actually thinking about those not quite able enough to make the grade, it isn't fair to those kids to spend their entire youth chasing a professional career, the vast majority of them to the detriment of the rest of their education, just to be told "sorry kid, not good enough".

I highly doubt Chelsea give a toss what happens to these lads.
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franscar
Mar 1 2007, 05:46 PM
Plus for every 8, 9, 10 year old that becomes a professional, what exactly happens to the thousands that aren't good enough? Thrown on the scrap heap.

Fair play to Brucey for actually thinking about those not quite able enough to make the grade, it isn't fair to those kids to spend their entire youth chasing a professional career, the vast majority of them to the detriment of the rest of their education, just to be told "sorry kid, not good enough".

I highly doubt Chelsea give a toss what happens to these lads.

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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I have 2 friends with 13/14 year old sons in the blues academy and tbh this article does not surprise me, both boys are apparently very promising, but I have told both of the mums that their boys are unlikely to get a look in with the first team while Bruce is the manager, shame really.
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But whoever is manager these lads aren't going to get a look in for another three, four, five years anyway. I seriously doubt Bruce will be manager when these 13 and 14 year olds are 20-21.

Plus the article doesn't say Bruce won't play young players, just that he doesn't feel the academy has brought through many first team standard players while he's been there, and that he doesn't believe 8 year olds should be signing with professional clubs.

I agree with him vehemently on the second point, and the lack of former Blues Academy players plying their trade around the Premiership and upper reaches of the Championship tends to support his first statement as well.
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franscar
Mar 1 2007, 04:46 PM
Amazing, he says that he doesn't think 8 year olds should be put under the sink or swim pressures of competitive football and all of a sudden it means 17 and 18 year olds are never going to get a chance?

Wow. Just wow.

Try reading the post again before bumping your gums at anyone who raises an eyebrow not falling into line with the BIB's :banghead:
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For once I have to agree with Brucie. I have run a lot of kids teams, including district teams. The correaltion between good U12's and adult players is slim at best. So much of it has to do with the growth spurt, emotional, social and physical development. SB is right - 8 year olds have only just learned how to tie their shoe laces - let them be kids, don't burn them out, and PLEASE do not over coach them. I think this is the single most influential reason for the decline of the national team - academics trying to figure oot formulas for success. I don't think Ronaldo was brought up on that diet...
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salad_dodger
Mar 1 2007, 07:00 PM
franscar
Mar 1 2007, 04:46 PM
Amazing, he says that he doesn't think 8 year olds should be put under the sink or swim pressures of competitive football and all of a sudden it means 17 and 18 year olds are never going to get a chance?

Wow. Just wow.

Try reading the post again before bumping your gums at anyone who raises an eyebrow not falling into line with the BIB's :banghead:

Er, I have read them. They're criticising Bruce for not playing kids when Bruce says he doesn't think 8 year olds should be signing for professional teams. Which is a bizarre and unjustified connection, only made so that this can be turned into an inept Bruce thread. So go bang your head at someone else.
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Mar 1 2007, 05:31 PM
gene autry
Mar 1 2007, 04:10 PM
At the weekend Steve Bruce was quoted in an article about The Academy system at clubs.
Most of the article was from Dave Jones ( as Cardiff are blooding and building a fair prorportion of their side from their Academy). Although most of the managers (Southampton, Derby etc) were in favour of extensive Academy interest - that is from 8 or 9 years old - it was Steve that took the headline for the Article.

He doesn't believe in 8 year old's playing for or even being signed up by clubs.
"They should be with their mothers at that age"

He went on to further add that Blues had only produced TWO players capable of senior football. True - he actually said that, in black and white.He went on to name them.
Which I think explains a hell of a lot about his purchasing policy and his long-term attitude. Quick fixes and flash the chequebook.

I think that those youngsters coming out of our Academy must be really heartened by such an insensitive and crushing verdict from their boss.

For me Bruce is right, at that age they should be with their mothers, they should also be enjoying playing a game of football not being shouted at by some over enthusiastic trainer or deranged parent pushing his son to play football.

In my opinion this picking the kids young etc is burning them out, how many english youngsters suffer this, i think loads, let them enjoy their childhood ffs.

For me big clubs etc signing 8 and 9 year olds is ridiculous.

:applause: Agree 100%

I blame the board for our pathetic track record bringing the kids through. Worth £1billion, our owners could easily have afforded to have developed a world class academy over the last 14 years. One or two star graduates would have repaid their investment many times over. Unfortunately it does not fit with their short term money grabbing policy.
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