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Missing The Point?; Losing 7000 ST holders
Topic Started: Mar 4 2007, 09:07 AM (512 Views)
bordesley
Martin Grainger
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Am I wrong?

I've just listened to the DS forum and he was talking about the disapointment theat we lost so many ST holders. He quoted other clubs, Leicester last 3000 st holders, Norwich lost 500 etc. We lost 6-7000.

In my opinion, the pricing is a bit of a red herring. Yes it's a valid reason for many but I think if you look at the expectation of Leicester and Norwich, there really wasn't much there for them. Survival would have been success. However, the best Blues squad ever, aiming for europe, and so on. These are the expectations we had. We were ready to go to that next level everyone talks about. What happened? We were relegated, with a whimper, back to square one, playing IMO dire football and with players that couldn't give a monkeys

That accumilation of things are things that had just gotten too much for some Blues fans and are things that most other relegated clubs didn't have.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone think?

Keep Right On

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bornblues64
Mikael Forssell
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bordesley
Mar 4 2007, 09:07 AM
Am I wrong?

I've just listened to the DS forum and he was talking about the disapointment theat we lost so many ST holders. He quoted other clubs, Leicester last 3000 st holders, Norwich lost 500 etc. We lost 6-7000.

In my opinion, the pricing is a bit of a red herring. Yes it's a valid reason for many but I think if you look at the expectation of Leicester and Norwich, there really wasn't much there for them. Survival would have been success. However, the best Blues squad ever, aiming for europe, and so on. These are the expectations we had. We were ready to go to that next level everyone talks about. What happened? We were relegated, with a whimper, back to square one, playing IMO dire football and with players that couldn't give a monkeys

That accumilation of things are things that had just gotten too much for some Blues fans and are things that most other relegated clubs didn't have.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone think?

Keep Right On

There is definately more to it than money imo, but the way Sully droaned on its as if it was, quite frankly i find it unbelievable that he cant see past the money point, but that interview was set up to be easy, to be honest listening to it you have to think did it actually take place, the questions were banal, to me exercises like this are just a waste of time, questions are vetted and answers written and learnt before the interview, bit like questioning a politician, pointless.
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bluess7
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And I hate to be picky, but trust me.........fans of the clubs you mention have expectations every bit as high as us !!!!
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tevets
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bluess7
Mar 4 2007, 10:19 AM
And I hate to be picky, but trust me.........fans of the clubs you mention have expectations every bit as high as us !!!!

I agree but they haven't just had the dream crushed without much of a fight and then been blamed for a lot of the problems.

A lot of the ill feeling at the club has been self inflicted by mistakes and poor leadership, not to mention the odd misleading statement.
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bornblues64
Mar 4 2007, 11:07 AM
bordesley
Mar 4 2007, 09:07 AM
Am I wrong? 

I've just listened to the DS forum and he was talking about the disapointment theat we lost so many ST holders.  He quoted other clubs, Leicester last 3000 st holders, Norwich lost 500 etc.  We lost 6-7000.

In my opinion, the pricing is a bit of a red herring.  Yes it's a valid reason for many but I think if you look at the expectation of Leicester and Norwich, there really wasn't much there for them.  Survival would have been success.  However, the best Blues squad ever, aiming for europe, and so on.  These are the expectations we had.  We were ready to go to that next level everyone talks about.  What happened?  We were relegated, with a whimper, back to square one, playing IMO dire football and with players that couldn't give a monkeys

That accumilation of things are things that had just gotten too much for some Blues fans and are things that most other relegated clubs didn't have.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone think?

Keep Right On

There is definately more to it than money imo, but the way Sully droaned on its as if it was, quite frankly i find it unbelievable that he cant see past the money point, but that interview was set up to be easy, to be honest listening to it you have to think did it actually take place, the questions were banal, to me exercises like this are just a waste of time, questions are vetted and answers written and learnt before the interview, bit like questioning a politician, pointless.

But it was all the fans who told Ds it was a pricing issue. Remeber he did his survey and the overwhelming number said pricing.

Mind I disagreed at the time, and still disagree now. It is about more than money.
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stevio11
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I think having a team of wimps and bowing out like we did is the real reson for many.
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tevets
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stevio11
Mar 4 2007, 03:25 PM
I think having a team of wimps and bowing out like we did is the real reson for many.

But that passes the blame onto the players and it was in no way wholly down to them. A lot of mistrust has come about by the board and management playing such a blame game.
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tevets
Mar 4 2007, 04:13 PM
stevio11
Mar 4 2007, 03:25 PM
I think having a team of wimps and bowing out like we did is the real reson for many.

But that passes the blame onto the players and it was in no way wholly down to them. A lot of mistrust has come about by the board and management playing such a blame game.

Its a vicious circle of blame and tbh it has to stop.

Its time for all the accusations and negativity to be put aside and the energy chanelled into backing the team in their quest for promotion. :Blues:
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mattieb5
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Play entertaining football,with passion and pride and the fans will come flooding back. The pricing may have a lot to do with it, but the overall package has to be right.
I am a season ticket holder and can count the number of games on 1 hand in the last 2 years, that me ands my lad have walked out of the ground and enjoyed the hour journey home talking about a great game.
Just my thoughts
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DuDuDugarry
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bordesley
Mar 4 2007, 09:07 AM
Am I wrong?

I've just listened to the DS forum and he was talking about the disapointment theat we lost so many ST holders. He quoted other clubs, Leicester last 3000 st holders, Norwich lost 500 etc. We lost 6-7000.

In my opinion, the pricing is a bit of a red herring. Yes it's a valid reason for many but I think if you look at the expectation of Leicester and Norwich, there really wasn't much there for them. Survival would have been success. However, the best Blues squad ever, aiming for europe, and so on. These are the expectations we had. We were ready to go to that next level everyone talks about. What happened? We were relegated, with a whimper, back to square one, playing IMO dire football and with players that couldn't give a monkeys

That accumilation of things are things that had just gotten too much for some Blues fans and are things that most other relegated clubs didn't have.

Just my thoughts, what does everyone think?

Keep Right On

Sullivan went on to point out that the clubs mentioned pretty much all lasted just one season in the premiership whereas Blues had 4 and we felt established. That's why the expectation were slightly different.
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bluejan
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Willie
Mar 4 2007, 04:19 PM

Its a vicious circle of blame and tbh it has to stop.

Its time for all the accusations and negativity to be put aside and the energy chanelled into backing the team in their quest for promotion. :Blues:

Criticism of working stuctures ("blame") and support for the team are not mutually exclusive Willie.

They are both componements of constructive and honest debate.

Good Citizenship 101
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tevets
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Willie
Mar 4 2007, 04:19 PM
tevets
Mar 4 2007, 04:13 PM
stevio11
Mar 4 2007, 03:25 PM
I think having a team of wimps and bowing out like we did is the real reson for many.

But that passes the blame onto the players and it was in no way wholly down to them. A lot of mistrust has come about by the board and management playing such a blame game.

Its a vicious circle of blame and tbh it has to stop.

Its time for all the accusations and negativity to be put aside and the energy chanelled into backing the team in their quest for promotion. :Blues:

I don’t disagree but this is for all sides of the argument.
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k-bek
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A lot of our ST holders last season were turning up to see the oposition.

When we got promoted our ST sales went up due to the oposition that would be visiting ST Andrews. Regardless of cost, everyone wants to see their team play Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Once relegated, the new ST holders who wanted Premiership football had no reason to renew. They could pick and choose games, have virtually no trouble getting tickets and didn't have to worry about missing out on the top oposition.

For these fans, virtually nothing would attract them to St Andrews this season.

I worked with one of them Never a ST holder, never attended games. Premiership ST holder all 4 seasons, didn't renew this season and hasn't been to any games either.

Maybe doesn't account for 7,000 people but a fairly big %age of them.


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blue aspect
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Looked over at the 'Directors Seats' during the game today - approx 3 empty seats on the front row ALL game - loyal supporters?
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pop_pop
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Willie
Mar 4 2007, 04:19 PM
tevets
Mar 4 2007, 04:13 PM
stevio11
Mar 4 2007, 03:25 PM
I think having a team of wimps and bowing out like we did is the real reson for many.

But that passes the blame onto the players and it was in no way wholly down to them. A lot of mistrust has come about by the board and management playing such a blame game.

Its a vicious circle of blame and tbh it has to stop.

Its time for all the accusations and negativity to be put aside and the energy chanelled into backing the team in their quest for promotion. :Blues:

:applause: Break the Circle :applause: :kiss:
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